The New Black Panther Party and the Zimmerman Bounty

[Brian4Liberty]

I agree. A 5-9" out of shape guy who's relying exclusively on his firearm may not not be the best candidate.

My gated community is patrolled by two self-appointed busy-bodies. One a little old Muslim lady, and one a little old Jewish lady. Yes, they do accost teenagers (and garbage can divers) who come on the property. Interestingly, when they do call the Police (for minor issues), the Police generally tell them to take it up with the Homeowners Association. Not much help from them. I don't beleive that they carry guns, but you never know what they may be hiding in their clothes. Might have to invite the TSA in to give them a naked scan and feel them up.

 

[The Free Hornet]

But in a way, Zimmerman's life is basically over too, no matter what happens next. This is a situation where there is no winner, folks.

Both were headed for loserville and I don't mean "unfamous" or "not rich" rather unproductive deadweight.

It sure would be nice to wait for all of the facts before we convict Trayvor Martin or George Zimmerman.

I don't expect to have all the facts. Nor do I expect the police, the DA, the judge, or a jury to have all the facts. In fact, I can guarantee the jury won't have all the facts.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Both were headed for loserville and I don't mean "unfamous" or "not rich" rather unproductive deadweight.



I don't expect to have all the facts. Nor do I expect the police, the DA, the judge, or a jury to have all the facts. In fact, I can guarantee the jury won't have all the facts.

Can you be more specific about your meaning here?

 

[ExPatPaki]

My gated community is patrolled by two self-appointed busy-bodies. One a little old Muslim lady, and one a little old Jewish lady.

LOL, that's some funny shit.

 

[RonPaulMall]

LOL, that's some funny shit.

I think that's pretty much the norm. Part of the divide in this case might be owing to the fact that Liberals tend to live in cities where people don't really know their neighbors and self appointed busybodies simply don't exist (just knowing the all the people that live on your apartment floor would be a rarity) while Conservatives tend to live in suburban or rural communities where the local busybody is universally recognized meme and neighborhood watches are commonplace. Liberals see Zimmerman's actions as utterly insane, and that's why they are calling for blood whether a law exists or not. Conservatives probably saw Zimmerman as being a bit overzealous at first, but now that more facts are coming out as to the recent crime wave in that neighborhood, I think a lot of that is melting away. Under Florida law, Zimmerman's neighborhood watch antics have nothing to do with the case of course. The only thing that matters is what happened once the two men came face to face. But most people seem obsessed with the legally irrelevant neighborhood watch aspect, and that I think is shaping most views on the case and that is definitely something that cuts along cultural lines.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Can you be more specific about your meaning here?

This is a jab at the system but information is routinely witheld from juries which is why they are sequestered and told not read papers, watch the news, et cetera. The judge and DA can do these things and dispense justice, but us mundanes have to be imprisoned to do "our civic duty". Also, it is a poor reference to the Fully Informed Jury Association whose work I strongly support.

 

[RonPaulMall]

This is a jab at the system but information is routinely witheld from juries which is why they are sequestered and told not read papers, watch the news, et cetera. The judge and DA can do these things and dispense justice, but us mundanes have to be imprisoned to do "our civic duty". Also, it is a poor reference to the Fully Informed Jury Association whose work I strongly support.

The other thing people seem to be missing is the fundamental nature of our justice system. A trial is an adversarial proceeding. If you are on trial, the police by definition believed a crime was committed and that you committed the crime and then a prosecutor looked at the evidence, and came to the same conclusion. An American trial is not an examination of the facts. The State believes you are guilty and doing everything they can to convict you. That's why our system requires the state to have probable cause prior to an arrest. The investigation is the point in the process where the state is searching for the truth. Once you get to the trial phase, they already have their theory of the facts, believe the accused guilty, and will only present evidence of guilt. That's why probable cause is required prior to any arrest. If the state does not believe Zimmerman guilty of a crime, they are forbidden under our system of justice to arrest him.

 

[rag-time4]

How did the blacks got a bad deal?

Black people as a whole have never had true liberty in this country, for one. Instead of owning property, most blacks at one point were property owned by others. In the 1850s we had the Dred Scott decision which stated that African people were not qualified for citizenship and rights. With the fourteenth amendment blacks were used to put all Americans into second class citizenship. After reconstruction, we had Jim Crow and segregation, while we had de facto segregation and discrimination in many parts of the north and west.

 

[rag-time4]

Or , hell , maybe the one I have on the basement wall is the old one from 1966...

Just found this recently posted youtube vid, in which New Black Panther Party national spokesman Chawn Kweli explains the first point in the New Black Panther Party 10 point platform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLEIya9hsc

Sounds to me like point 1 of their platform is liberty!

 

[cajuncocoa]

Just found this recently posted youtube vid, in which New Black Panther Party national spokesman Chawn Kweli explains the first point in the New Black Panther Party 10 point platform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLEIya9hsc

Sounds to me like point 1 of their platform is liberty!

And it goes downhill from there. Here's a link so everyone can see the entire list: http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm

 

[rag-time4]

And it goes downhill from there. Here's a link so everyone can see the entire list: http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm

This is the original Black Panther Party 10 pt platform. Is the New Black Panther Party 10 pt platform the same?

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is the original Black Panther Party 10 pt platform. Is the New Black Panther Party 10 pt platform the same?

Apparently it's not. Do you have a link to the new platform? What point is being discussed in the video you posted? I ask because I can't play the video right now.

 

[rag-time4]

Apparently it's not. Do you have a link to the new platform? What point is being discussed in the video you posted? I ask because I can't play the video right now.

Well, it may in fact be the same 10 pt platform. I think I have an old cassette or vhs tape somewhere of one of the founders, Khallid Abdul Muhammad, going over all ten points. The New Black Panther Party has been around since the late 90s so its been a while.

The point discussed in this recent vid is point 1: a demand for self determination.