The Neocon Revival-get your barf bags ready.......

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Amazing how much freedom they had and how jealous they were for their liberties....

Quakers are great people - about the only Christians who are Christ-like. I wouldn't mind calling myself a Friend if I was inclined to theism.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The kind of conservatism that Irving Kristol embodied

Say no more. Trotskyite communism.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Say no more. Trotskyite communism.

You can tell pretty fast by their FDR and Teddy worship. I find it funny when so-called conservative 'grassroots' quote libertarians like Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine and then go on to vote for FDR/TR/Woodrow Wilson numbskulls. You know you're good at brainwashing when the guy who most embodies what they so-called believe in - Ron Paul - gets booed and hissed and alienated from the Party, and they turn around and vote for the people who openly HATE and DESPISE the ideas of Henry & Paine.

This is why I can't stand 'conservatives'. Dumber than a pile of rocks.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Quakers are great people - about the only Christians who are Christ-like. I wouldn't mind calling myself a Friend if I was inclined to theism.

I dont know about that. Some of those Quaker groups were host to the most overtly communistic enclaves in early America.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I dont know about that. Some of those Quaker groups were host to the most overtly communistic enclaves in early America.

As far as I am aware none of them were Friends anymore. They left and formed their own sect - Shakers (read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers). Anyways, I have nothing against voluntary communism, I just wouldn't take part. Quakers never forced anyone to do anything against their will (institutionally anyways - absolutes about individual depravity will always have exceptions). You're really grasping at straws here. Take a look around at Christianity and all the other sects are heinously tyrannous - ready and willing to use violence to advance their agendas.

 

[bunklocoempire]

journalist

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You've got that part right Davey boy. Way to go ace.

 

[Lucille]

The Last Thing Republicans Need Is a “Neocon Revival”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-last-thing-republicans-need-is-a-neocon-revival/

...Brooks tries to rehabilitate neocons by mostly ignoring the one thing that now distinguishes them from everyone else on the right, namely their disastrous foreign policy views. He talks about the “peak” of conservatism while failing to mention the ignominious collapse of the political fortunes of both Republicans and movement conservatism when neoconservatives exercised their greatest influence. Thanks in large part to the Iraq war debacle that neoconservatives eagerly demanded, Republicans lost a decades-old advantage on foreign policy that predated the Reagan era, and most conservatives mistakenly wasted eight years supporting a disastrous war because they followed the neoconservatives’ lead. Most neoconservatives defend that war even now, putting them bitterly at odds with the American public in a way that few others are.

Since the failures of “big government conservatism” in the last decade, there is nothing that neoconservatism has to offer today that would ameliorate any major Republican problem. Neoconservatives’ biggest blind spot and greatest obsession–support for a needlessly aggressive and overly militarized foreign policy–is itself one of those problems, and a “revival” of this would exacerbate the GOP’s woes rather than remedy them. If the GOP is to revive and reform into a competent governing party once more, a neocon revival is the last thing it needs.

Related flashback:

Like vampires risen from the dead each night, these creatures who shun the light and feast on pain and suffering, are refreshed and ready to take wing again. What they seek is what makes them feel alive and energizes them to want more, and that is war. They are the War Party, and they are Democrats and Republicans. They are columnists and publishers and academics, as well as politicians and publicists. They don’t have much of a mass base: they prefer to work in the shadows, manipulating rather than inspiring. By such Machiavellian means have they managed to stay viable, in spite of the disasters they have wrought through the years – giving them more scope for fresh disasters yet to be imagined.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

This board needs a barf smiley - just sayin'.

Another version of Brown shirt Nazis... Just another group creating a false dialectic to continue funding from their special interest masters, as well as creating the false threats to get government funding.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I have no idea why David Brooks thinks neo cons would be considered as [conservative].

It is because Brooks, Kristol, etc. consider words to be potent magical talismans. They believe that just by saying something, it somehow becomes true and/or meaningful. How else could Brooks perpetrate such asinine drivel as the notion that any government could or would ever be "limited but energetic" ... ?

They appeal to nostalgia or popularity as authoritative, and then count on peoples' unwillingness to reject such authority as cover for asserting various other contradictions and fallacies. This is one of the most common rhetorical techniques employed by neo-conservatives. The OP article is full of this kind of thing.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I dont know about that. Some of those Quaker groups were host to the most overtly communistic enclaves in early America.

Coercive communism, or voluntary communism? There is a distinction to be made.

The early Christians shared property in a "communistic" fashion, but it was voluntary.

 

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

I wonder how many libertarians this person found who want to go back to 1850.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Coercive communism, or voluntary communism? There is a distinction to be made.

The early Christians shared property in a "communistic" fashion, but it was voluntary.

I don't think there is a distinction to be made at a philosophical level...especially if they deny the Bible's instruction for private property and think everyone owns another's property. At that level, its the same kind of error whether its voluntary or not....and I would argue that the kind of thinking always leads to the involuntary situation anyway.