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edit: it is interesting though how we are now arguing over Israel and Palestine when it should have nothing to do with us. Anyone that does an ounce of research will tell you that Zionism is a very bad thing that has caused nothing but war, death, pain, and suffering since it's beginning. Interesting how the stronger AIPAC gets the more of this we see here and the more this discussion gets brought up.

Me personally, I think Zionism was created to play off of the sentiments of Christians to further the cause of global domination by the elite few. Leaders have wanted World Government since the beginning of time. What better way to do this than form a union between a nation known for its guns and god? We don't even like uttering the word Zionism in fear that we may be called anti-Semite. This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with facts that everyone else seems to know but the Americans. It's not all our fault though as the media has done a wonder job at perfecting propaganda through the years. When you hear anyone one else that is in defiance of America, they will always bring up the fact that our elected officials are only puppets and that those who control them are Zionists and have been this way for a long time. How else do you think the American people would go for a Jewish tax on almost all food they buy that does not go back to America but is returned to Israel! People need to wake up before it's too late. I'm not saying all Jews are bad as there are tons of Jewish people against the state of Israel and against Zionism however our Zionist controlled media wouldn't have you hear too much about that.

L-O-L at your stupidity. Yeah. "Blame the Jews." Yeah, sure. Those Nazi Jews are causing all the worlds suffering, right? Us trying to live is causing violence, too, right? Best to kill of all of them because they're quite obviously a big problem and trouble to the world, right? Right?

And we're actually "playing off the sentiments of Christians?" LOL. The Christians have been the ones who have killed Jews, accused us of the whole "You killed Jesus" shpiel, are completely ignorant of where your roots came from, must I go on? (That was just to make a point, by the way) Don't go insulting a culture that you know nothing about, buddy. And when it comes to Zionism, get your facts straight, because you sound like the rest of the majority of these anti-Israel nut jobs (anti for the wrong reasons, mind you) who don't even know what the word means. It means someone who supports Israel's RIGHT to exist. Meaning someone who supports the right of the Jewish people to have a home country where they are free of oppression and people that want to KILL US. We got it LEGALLY. Refer to my gaphic at the top of this page, if not the last page, which I made and posted. Israel = LEGAL. Not conquered, not taken, not stolen... LEGALLY given by the UN after the Arabs lost it, ie the Ottoman Empire. They lost it because 1) they didn't know how to manage their money and bought wastefully and 2) fought in WWI against Europe with Germany. You people keep on ranting on about how, "Israel is committing crimes." The Arabs are committing crimes, too, yah know. Like killing innocent CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS. I've seen CHILDREN ONLINE KILLED IN SCHOOLS. SCHOOLS, BUDDY. Mothers torn from their babies and murdered because they were Jewish, raped, slaughtered, in Arab lands while these people go back to Israel with their citizenship and enjoy a better life than they would in their own country. Hell, I know that Israel does some bad stuff; but with good reason, BECAUSE OF CONDITIONING. You have to be Jewish to understand this. We have been killed, kicked, slaughtered, etcetera forever. And we're not just going to sit back again when we're more than capable of defending ourselves this time around against another race who STARTED THIS. Yes, STARTED THIS.
I feel the pain of both sides. My G-d, that's what you people don't get. We Zionists FEEL THE PAIN OF BOTH SIDES. I've seen what Israel has done to Palestinians myself. But I've also seen the bloodshed when the tables have been turned. My G-d, can you please just stop trying to think of every Zionist as a piece of whatever you want to call em', and realize that we aren't stupid? We know the bloodshed that's going on. But it's an ongoing conflict, and one side just can't stop out of nowhere. Okay? Do you realize that?

And this was brought up because, well... I don't quite know. But I argued back because I ways want to get the proper facts put on the record. And I love how you sort of people call us, "anti-American," when 1) I and a majority of other Jews (at least the Ron Paul supporters, and trust me; at least 90% of Israel supports Ron Paul) realize all of the stuff that Ron Paul has said. I realized it well before. We have to stop donating to foreign countries. And trust me, buddy. I'm probably one of the most Patriotic Americans you'd ever see. I put my country first and foremost before anything. Realize that, first. We're not these "evil pigs" ;)
Yes, AIPEC is obviously evil. They're a disgrace. I personally don't consider them to represent the Jewish opinion. They're an insult to this country. So realize that before you go slandering Zionists.
 
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L-O-L at your stupidity. Yeah. "Blame the Jews." Yeah, sure. Those Nazi Jews are causing all the worlds suffering, right? Us trying to live is causing violence, too, right? Best to kill of all of them because they're quite obviously a big problem and trouble to the world, right? Right?

Hum...you seem to be forgetting that I mentioned that not all Jewish people are zionist and that zionism has nothing to do with race or religion. You however, like the media and everyone else love to pull the racism card. I think that's pathetic.

And we're actually "playing off the sentiments of Christians?" LOL. The Christians have been the ones who have killed Jews, accused us of the whole "You killed Jesus" shpiel, are completely ignorant of where your roots came from, must I go on? (That was just to make a point, by the way) Don't go insulting a culture that you know nothing about, buddy. And when it comes to Zionism, get your facts straight, because you sound like the rest of the majority of these anti-Israel nut jobs (anti for the wrong reasons, mind you) who don't even know what the word means. It means someone who supports Israel's RIGHT to exist.

Quite frankly no I do not believe Israel has a right to exist. The bible, www.jewsagainstzionism.com, and www.nkusa.org/ are amongst the list of people that have the same view. If you would like me to go on about who else holds the same views I could go on as the list is pretty long.

Meaning someone who supports the right of the Jewish people to have a home country where they are free of oppression and people that want to KILL US. We got it LEGALLY. Refer to my gaphic at the top of this page, if not the last page, which I made and posted. Israel = LEGAL. Not conquered, not taken, not stolen... LEGALLY given by the UN after the Arabs lost it, ie the Ottoman Empire. They lost it because 1) they didn't know how to manage their money and bought wastefully and 2) fought in WWI against Europe with Germany. You people keep on ranting on about how, "Israel is committing crimes." The Arabs are committing crimes, too, yah know. Like killing innocent CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS. I've seen CHILDREN ONLINE KILLED IN SCHOOLS. SCHOOLS, BUDDY. Mothers torn from their babies and murdered because they were Jewish, raped, slaughtered, in Arab lands while these people go back to Israel with their citizenship and enjoy a better life than they would in their own country. Hell, I know that Israel does some bad stuff; but with good reason, BECAUSE OF CONDITIONING. You have to be Jewish to understand this. We have been killed, kicked, slaughtered, etcetera forever. And we're not just going to sit back again when we're more than capable of defending ourselves this time around against another race who STARTED THIS. Yes, STARTED THIS.
I feel the pain of both sides. My G-d, that's what you people don't get. We Zionists FEEL THE PAIN OF BOTH SIDES. I've seen what Israel has done to Palestinians myself. But I've also seen the bloodshed when the tables have been turned. My G-d, can you please just stop trying to think of every Zionist as a piece of whatever you want to call em', and realize that we aren't stupid? We know the bloodshed that's going on. But it's an ongoing conflict, and one side just can't stop out of nowhere. Okay? Do you realize that?

Ok I don't even know where to begin with this but first off you do realize that before zionism and your unbiblical return to the promise land, you guys used to be at peace with arabs and coexisted together. You can not just expect to return to a country forcably when God said there was going to be blood shed if an unbiblical return happend and that you guys where not alowed to return until God's second comming. Now I don't know how zionists have twisted this but you can see what is happening around the world now because of it. Thanks to zionists like Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and many others; now this fight that you guys have been having forever is now ours as well. Who do you want me to send my special thank you note to? Again not all Jews are zionist and some, heck a lot, are very good people. One in particular whom most of us around here hold a very high admirition for is Barry Goldwater. Yet others like Henry Kissinger has been a thorn in our backside and a continued threat to the very existance of our national sovereignty .

And this was brought up because, well... I don't quite know. But I argued back because I ways want to get the proper facts put on the record. And I love how you sort of people call us, "anti-American," when 1) I and a majority of other Jews (at least the Ron Paul supporters, and trust me; at least 90% of Israel supports Ron Paul) realize all of the stuff that Ron Paul has said. I realized it well before. We have to stop donating to foreign countries. And trust me, buddy. I'm probably one of the most Patriotic Americans you'd ever see. I put my country first and foremost before anything. Realize that, first. We're not these "evil pigs" ;)
Yes, AIPEC is obviously evil. They're a disgrace. I personally don't consider them to represent the Jewish opinion. They're an insult to this country. So realize that before you go slandering Zionists.


I'm glad your patriotic, vote, and donate to ron paul. I'm also happy that jewish people can live together with other nations and other culters as this is what God said you guys would do until his second comming. Again I haven't read the torah or the talmud but I can tell you what my bible says, and so far it's been spot on about everything that is going on as a direct result of the Jews unbiblical return to the promise land.
 
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You keep bringing up the Ottoman Empire as some reason there is a Jewish homeland.

The Ottoman Empire controlled a lot of the Arabian peninsula its true, and there were a lot of Jews all over the empire, not concentrated just in Palestine. A lot of Jews
fleeing from Spain's Inquisition ended up in Ottoman lands. The only thing the Ottomans have to due with Israel is that they happened to lose control of the territory to England.

The only reason there is a Jewish homeland at all is because Churchill was a Zionist. He pushed it forward for his own reasons, but this was 30 years after the fall of the Ottoman Empire

which as you can see has nothing to do with Israel.
 
You keep bringing up the Ottoman Empire as some reason there is a Jewish homeland.

The Ottoman Empire controlled a lot of the Arabian peninsula its true, and there were a lot of Jews all over the empire, not concentrated just in Palestine. A lot of Jews
fleeing from Spain's Inquisition ended up in Ottoman lands. The only thing the Ottomans have to due with Israel is that they happened to lose control of the territory to England.

The only reason there is a Jewish homeland at all is because Churchill was a Zionist. He pushed it forward for his own reasons, but this was 30 years after the fall of the Ottoman Empire

which as you can see has nothing to do with Israel.

...The Ottoman Empire had everything to do with Israel. And it did not fall because of the Inquisition. It might have played a role; I haven't heard of it yet until now, but they fell just like the USSR after they lost. All their land was basically confiscated, and they were left ruling nothing basically, and so they basically dissolved into nothing. The UN Mandate was to EVENLY divide the land. Yes, Churchill was involved, I believe. But that isn't the point. The point is that the land was evenly divided for a Palestinian state and a Jewish state. Jordan was supposed to be the Palestinian state. It never became the Palestinian state; they refused. Note how there were all ready a dozen or two Arab countries at the time. They still refuse to this day, and Arabs continue to say that they want Israel for a Palestinian state.
The land was not divided evenly or fairly. More and more was given to the Palestinians, until all Israel had left were a few slivers. The original deal divided it fairly and evenly. So Israel was left with a small sliver in the corner. A blip on the map. But it was something. Then they were invaded by all of the Muslim surrounding countries. They amazingly fought them all off, and obviously took land to win the war, as would any country to get an advantage over the enemy. We; the US have a lot of land that we as a nation occupy to this day from wars. A lot of it is settled, if not all of it. Sure, we've given some back, but a large majority we haven't. Plus, the land that they "occupy" today was initially supposed to be given to the Jewish state. It never was, as they kept pushing, and pushing, and pushing it. So the way I see it is this.
The land was divided unfairly. Now it's somewhat fair. Both sides do equally horrible crimes. Israel bulldozes houses and is often careless of the civilian population when conducting military operations. The Palestinians kill anyone they can for their cause. They conduct terror attacks against Israel, launch rockets into Israeli schools and buildings and want to eliminate Israel. Both sides are equally wrong. Now I gave the facts. I do NOT take sides. Don't get that wrong. I never take sides on this issue. If an Israeli were to come onto this forum saying that Israel has been raped and hasn't done anything at all and is essentially innocent, I would be bashing him with facts from the other side. I never take sides on this issue.
However what needs to be done is that both sides need to come together themselves and form an agreement as to how they're going to exist together. They're going to have to share natural resources, share land, and they're going to have to share Jerusalem. If you give it to Israel, the Palestinians will have a fit. If you give it to the Palestinians, the Jews will throw a fit. You don't give it to anyone. You share it. Peace cannot be accomplished until both sides together; without foreign countries telling them what to do. (i.e. ourselves) Criticizing one side over the other isn't going to go anything.
 
"trust me; at least 90% of Israel supports Ron Paul"
- Patriot123


That statement alone shows where you come from, were you a former lobbyist too...... for AIPAC... not
AIPEC.

You remind me of Wolf...... here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8aTGnjHnI


Could you imagine a Jewish man speaking the truth about what really goes on, I agree with "Brother Finkelstein."

We give Israel billions of dollars per year, that's millions per day... why? They get more than anybody in the world! Why? Inside Jobs!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7999343597466477342

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...The Ottoman Empire had everything to do with Israel. And it did not fall because of the Inquisition. It might have played a role; I haven't heard of it yet until now, but they fell just like the USSR after they lost. All their land was basically confiscated, and they were left ruling nothing basically, and so they basically dissolved into nothing. The UN Mandate was to EVENLY divide the land. Yes, Churchill was involved, I believe. But that isn't the point. The point is that the land was evenly divided for a Palestinian state and a Jewish state. Jordan was supposed to be the Palestinian state. It never became the Palestinian state; they refused. Note how there were all ready a dozen or two Arab countries at the time. They still refuse to this day, and Arabs continue to say that they want Israel for a Palestinian state.
The land was not divided evenly or fairly. More and more was given to the Palestinians, until all Israel had left were a few slivers. The original deal divided it fairly and evenly. So Israel was left with a small sliver in the corner. A blip on the map. But it was something. Then they were invaded by all of the Muslim surrounding countries. They amazingly fought them all off, and obviously took land to win the war, as would any country to get an advantage over the enemy. We; the US have a lot of land that we as a nation occupy to this day from wars. A lot of it is settled, if not all of it. Sure, we've given some back, but a large majority we haven't. Plus, the land that they "occupy" today was initially supposed to be given to the Jewish state. It never was, as they kept pushing, and pushing, and pushing it. So the way I see it is this.
The land was divided unfairly. Now it's somewhat fair. Both sides do equally horrible crimes. Israel bulldozes houses and is often careless of the civilian population when conducting military operations. The Palestinians kill anyone they can for their cause. They conduct terror attacks against Israel, launch rockets into Israeli schools and buildings and want to eliminate Israel. Both sides are equally wrong. Now I gave the facts. I do NOT take sides. Don't get that wrong. I never take sides on this issue. If an Israeli were to come onto this forum saying that Israel has been raped and hasn't done anything at all and is essentially innocent, I would be bashing him with facts from the other side. I never take sides on this issue.
However what needs to be done is that both sides need to come together themselves and form an agreement as to how they're going to exist together. They're going to have to share natural resources, share land, and they're going to have to share Jerusalem. If you give it to Israel, the Palestinians will have a fit. If you give it to the Palestinians, the Jews will throw a fit. You don't give it to anyone. You share it. Peace cannot be accomplished until both sides together; without foreign countries telling them what to do. (i.e. ourselves) Criticizing one side over the other isn't going to go anything.

The palestinians don't have a super power to the west to help them out. They don't have a country to the west that gives them money, nukes, money, military equipment, money, support, and yes more money. They don't have a super power that is manipulating the population into thinking the only thing muslims have to offer in trade is "burkas"(sp). The palestinians don't have a super power to the west that has killed 1,000,000+ of their "enemy". I'm sorry I just can't see it your way.
 
"trust me; at least 90% of Israel supports Ron Paul"
- Patriot123


That statement alone shows where you come from, were you a former lobbyist too...... for AIPAC... not
AIPEC.

You remind me of Wolf...... here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-8aTGnjHnI


Could you imagine a Jewish man speaking the truth about what really goes on, I agree with "Brother Finkelstein."

We give Israel billions of dollars per year, that's millions per day... why? They get more than anybody in the world! Why? Inside Jobs!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7999343597466477342

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damn that guy finkelstein was great in that video!

I also like this video. It's more from a biblical standpoint.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=96&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

we may know now why they demonized David Duke.

Duke vs. Wolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2QMQi-m63E
 
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The palestinians don't have a super power to the west to help them out. They don't have a country to the west that gives them money, nukes, money, military equipment, money, support, and yes more money. They don't have a super power that is manipulating the population into thinking the only thing muslims have to offer in trade is "burkas"(sp). The palestinians don't have a super power to the west that has killed 1,000,000+ of their "enemy". I'm sorry I just can't see it your way.

The Saudis get ten times as much as Israel, and the rest of the Arab nations get quite a bit of money. No, that whole "conspiracy" that Israel receives more aid from the US than all other nations combined is simply put, "a conspiracy" :)
 
The arabs could quite easily address and solve the problems of the Palestinians. They'd much rather just keep the pot boiling with all of the whining and moaning about Israel though. They don't really give a damn about the Palestinians.
 
The Saudis get ten times as much as Israel, and the rest of the Arab nations get quite a bit of money. No, that whole "conspiracy" that Israel receives more aid from the US than all other nations combined is simply put, "a conspiracy" :)

no it's not....Do the Saudis have a PAC that is so influential and powerful that it dictates foreign policy, who will be elected and who won't, and who will have tons of money thrown at them if they are campaigning against a politician that doesn’t seem to be completely 100% pro Israel’s agenda? Do these other people you speak of have a tax on American food that contributes to billions of dollars a year in revenue for Israel? Are these other countries promised oil supply no matter what (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4504 )? Do you need me to keep going on? Because the list just keeps going and going and going and going...
 
Again. Muslim counties, specifically Saudi Arabia, get more aid than Israel individually. Saudi Arabia gets the most aid from the US than any other country. And sorry, I don't buy into your whole, "AIPEC IS TRYING TO RULE THE WORLD" conspiracy, either ;)
 
The arabs could quite easily address and solve the problems of the Palestinians. They'd much rather just keep the pot boiling with all of the whining and moaning about Israel though. They don't really give a damn about the Palestinians.

Sadly, true... To an extent, but true.
 
Again. Muslim counties, specifically Saudi Arabia, get more aid than Israel individually. Saudi Arabia gets the most aid from the US than any other country. And sorry, I don't buy into your whole, "AIPEC IS TRYING TO RULE THE WORLD" conspiracy, either ;)


I love how you through the word conspiracy in when you can. You sound like a broken record.
 
i know i'm late to this tread... but anyway...


jyakulis...


have you ever researched/watched/read anything?


you should...


okay, that just about covers it.
 
Not really :/ Just trying to point out the facts, as half of the information which has been stated was a conspiracy...

mehh, i don't see how a conspiracy is so hard for people to believe. when you have all the money in the world and you have a centralized bank that is essentially transferring vast amounts of wealth to you what more is there for a power hungry individual to do but try to control the world. then when you look who founded all these stearing committees (UN, trilateral commision, CFR) the same people that are the primary shareholders in the media and the central banks it adds up even more.

then you add the fact that controlling the money supply of countries and controlling all the energy through oil, it's easy to see the vast amount of power these people have.

when you have control of oil, you control the lifeblood of each and every economy. when you control the money system you control the ability to contract and expand the money supply, which can devastate countries.

then you look at how they control world bank and the IMF and can stear the CIA at their will to exploit the third world to further suck up all the wealth it really looks pretty obvious to me. read the secret history of the american empire or confessions of an economic hitman. it explains all about how world bank operates.

and israel flourished because the banking cartel ALLOWED it to flourish. the western world has had it's dirty little hands in the majority of all regime changes in the middle east and have completely destabilized them. the french's hand in lebanon, our hands in iraq and iran (Mossadeq). and frankly i can see why they are just a tad bit angry.

Ron Paul preaches about the power of control over the money supply:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8GzRWSof8uQ

Ron Paul doesn't think the idea of the NWO is so crazy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

Ron Paul speaks out against world bank:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkJ58EFDa6A

plus when you look at the fact that the central bankers most likely caused the great depression and then bought up all US assets for pennies on the dollar, it's not that surprising why Ron Paul was marginalized so much by mainstream corporate media. look i didn't believe a lot of this stuff when i first heard it. but the more you research it and look into some of this stuff it's really not that far fetched at all. and when people bash the zionists they don't really mean your average run of the mill jewish person. they mean the big time central bankers like the house of rothschild. frankly, i may have come across harsh earlier in this thread but i feel equally bad for palestinians and israelis. they are just getting played off each other like fiddles.

oil is so crucial to these people through the use of the petro dollar allowing us to simply print more money at will because countries will still take them because of the petro dollar. in fact the 6 day war was specifically manufactured to force the treaty that did this, essentially allowing us to abandon the gold standard. they hold us in the dark ages with oil even though free energy has been suppressed since the days of tesla.
 
Not really :/ Just trying to point out the facts, as half of the information which has been stated was a conspiracy...

Can you just do me a favor? Just look up this information we are talking about? I'm not asking you to believe or not believe, just do the reasearch. Everything I have stated is all true and isn't from some undocumented source. This all info that's in plain site, the only thing you have to do is connect the dots. If you want the truth, the dots really just connect themselves.

mehh, i don't see how a conspiracy is so hard for people to believe. when you have all the money in the world and you have a centralized bank that is essentially transferring vast amounts of wealth to you what more is there for a power hungry individual to do but try to control the world. then when you look who founded all these stearing committees (UN, trilateral commision, CFR) the same people that are the primary shareholders in the media and the central banks it adds up even more.

then you add the fact that controlling the money supply of countries and controlling all the energy through oil, it's easy to see the vast amount of power these people have.

when you have control of oil, you control the lifeblood of each and every economy. when you control the money system you control the ability to contract and expand the money supply, which can devastate countries.

then you look at how they control world bank and the IMF and can stear the CIA at their will to exploit the third world to further suck up all the wealth it really looks pretty obvious to me. read the secret history of the american empire or confessions of an economic hitman. it explains all about how world bank operates.

and israel flourished because the banking cartel ALLOWED it to flourish. the western world has had it's dirty little hands in the majority of all regime changes in the middle east and have completely destabilized them. the french's hand in lebanon, our hands in iraq and iran (Mossadeq). and frankly i can see why they are just a tad bit angry.

Ron Paul preaches about the power of control over the money supply:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8GzRWSof8uQ

Ron Paul doesn't think the idea of the NWO is so crazy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

Ron Paul speaks out against world bank:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkJ58EFDa6A

plus when you look at the fact that the central bankers most likely caused the great depression and then bought up all US assets for pennies on the dollar, it's not that surprising why Ron Paul was marginalized so much by mainstream corporate media. look i didn't believe a lot of this stuff when i first heard it. but the more you research it and look into some of this stuff it's really not that far fetched at all. and when people bash the zionists they don't really mean your average run of the mill jewish person. they mean the big time central bankers like the house of rothschild. frankly, i may have come across harsh earlier in this thread but i feel equally bad for palestinians and israelis. they are just getting played off each other like fiddles.

oil is so crucial to these people through the use of the petro dollar allowing us to simply print more money at will because countries will still take them because of the petro dollar. in fact the 6 day war was specifically manufactured to force the treaty that did this, essentially allowing us to abandon the gold standard. they hold us in the dark ages with oil even though free energy has been suppressed since the days of tesla.

Very well stated. It is very easy to connect the dots. I didn't believe it either until my mind clicked after Ron Paul started talking about blowback. After that I started questioning my government (took the red pill, lol) All the info just started pouring in. It's not really a far fetched conspiracy as all the evidance is in clear site. Only thing is, before you start questioning your government your just blind to what's going on.
 
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