The Mormon Gulag

Mesogen

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Apparently there is a place where bad boys are sent to get over their decadent urges and it's pretty much like a gulag.

The Utah Boys Ranch.

http://www.mormongulag.com/

and here is a blog post about it.

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=093F35B7A274CA2C7D0F1D155E019196?diaryId=8920

This story is about Eric Norwood's personal experiences at a place called The Utah Boys Ranch, which models itself as a "tough-love" prep-school, but while Eric was there, he witnessed some unbelievable atrocities. It is a Mormon-funded and staffed facility, and religious indoctrination is a fundamental aspect of the school. There was sexual, physical, and emotional abuse, suicide, staff corruption, and escape. A major Utah political figure, Senator Chris Buttars, was the executive director while Eric was there.

Barry was a white guy, a big mother. At least 6'5", and I would not be surprised to hear that he weighed more than 300 pounds, but he was not fat. Paul was shorter and had a darker complexion. He was big too, and meaner than Barry. He turned to me when we first got into their white mid-sized rental car and said, "You have a choice. You can be cool and get on an airplane with us and be there in a couple of hours, or you can sit back there with handcuffs on for the next 12 hours. Non-stop."

"Where are we going?" I asked, still in shock.

"Utah," Barry answered casually from the passenger seat, without turning his head. "We are from the Utah Boys Ranch, Eric, and your parents have asked us to take you back with us."

"What?" My head was spinning. I felt like I was going to throw up. There is no way that this was happening. My mom would never allow this. Utah? What the hell is a Boys Ranch? I couldn't breathe.

"I guess we're driving," Paul said odiously.

I knew the child-lock would be on and as I saw the familiar houses of my grandmother's street pass by, I started to roll down the window. We weren't going fast enough for them to notice yet and the warm Agoura Hills climate didn't tip them off. I rolled it down enough to fit my arm out and open the door from the outside when Paul paused at the stop sign at the bottom of the hill, looked back at me, and stopped the car.

He shoved the gear into park and pulled handcuffs out of somewhere and told me to give him my wrists. I sat there cuffed for a moment when I realized that I really would die from this feeling in my chest - a physical manifestation of angst. My heart was beating furiously, and I knew that I couldn't last 12 hours.

"You can take me on a plane. I'll be cool."

"Now that's more like it," Barry said kindly. "My wife will be happy."

The first person I met in Utah was Senator Chris Buttars. I had no idea who he was until that point.

All I knew was that he was to be feared, and I was scared to death of him from the moment I first saw him.

"Sit down," he squawked in a loud, high pitched, galling voice that sounded like a cross between a buzzard and an old cowboy. He continued to make it very clear that I was at his mercy. He told me who he was - politically - and the influence he had. If I ever wanted to leave I was to do what he said. "How old are you?"

"Fifteen," I mumbled.

"Three years might not be enough for you. I can have a judge order you to be here until you are 21," he croaked. With that he sent me off to be "changed and put on work crew."

I was then given a "leash" made of climbing rope and what I think was a square knot to tie around my waist.

I had never imagined being tethered and walked like a dog, but here I was, being walked like a dog towards a cluster of about 12 other boys. They were lined up facing a wall while two large men in red sweatshirts watched them from a couple of chairs off to the side.

Some of the boys had camouflage pants on, a few others wore dresses. I wondered how long I was to be in this blanket dress. I was later told that it was so I wouldn't run away - and they were right - I literally could not run in this humiliating getup. I could barely get a full stride walking.

Boys with "sexual issues" are housed together in what could only be some cruel showing of satire.

They were constantly being caught jerking each other off onto each other, or, more tragically, assaulting younger boys. Whatever it was, they would be shoved into blankets and thrown on work crew. On Tuesday night they would meet with all the boys with sexual issues and provide remedies like IcyHot on the penis to stifle homosexual urges.

I was kept there until they couldn't keep me any longer, and on my 18th birthday I walked out the front doors into a cold October morning with nowhere to go and nothing but my freedom. If I didn't experience it myself I would not believe a place like this exists. A Mormon gulag.

So cops bust up the Texas Ranch where nothing was seemingly going on, but this place continues to exist.

That kid was there for 3 years. How in the living fuck could any of those people think that these kids would be good by treating them like that? Ah, but they didn't. They were just sick sadistic perverts who had a place to live out their fantasies.
 
Chris Buttars ordered two large men to violently rip my clothes off, shave my head bald and made me walk around naked (my underwear was torn in struggle) with nothing but an army blanket for 2 weeks. My room mates whom I was locked in with were there for sexually molesting their younger brothers. I was 13 and I never recovered from my experiences there.

It was much worse than that but I can't stand to describe it. I'd give anything to ask him ‘why?’

He allowed mentally ill children to grow up without any psychological treatment (mental illness in the boys ranch was defined as "the crazy act for attention") He also turned a blind eye to prison justice against these kids in his boys ranch

Beyond that he is the worst human being I've ever been eye to eye with.

Buttars?

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155505
 
If all of this is true, Eric Norwood should be canonized as a saint for not killing that asshole.
 
This "gulag" is/was a private organization. Not one penny of church funding was used to run this camp. No church leader has ever said this was part of an authorized Church program for the rehabilitation of young boys. Just like people of other religions, there are crazy Mormons just like their are crazy Catholics. Sometimes people get together and form private organizations on their own time and dime. I am not defending this place, I am just asking that you not implicate the Church in some sort of conspiracy to affect mind control on it's young male membership. I have been a life long member, and I am free to believe or not believe. I have never witnessed any element of force in it's teachings and I would say that the fundamental doctrines are quite libertarian in nature. I could explain this in depth, but you guys already seem to closed minded to hearing why our faith is the most libertarian ever.
 
This "gulag" is/was a private organization. Not one penny of church funding was used to run this camp. No church leader has ever said this was part of an authorized Church program for the rehabilitation of young boys. Just like people of other religions, there are crazy Mormons just like their are crazy Catholics. Sometimes people get together and form private organizations on their own time and dime. I am not defending this place, I am just asking that you not implicate the Church in some sort of conspiracy to affect mind control on it's young male membership. I have been a life long member, and I am free to believe or not believe. I have never witnessed any element of force in it's teachings and I would say that the fundamental doctrines are quite libertarian in nature. I could explain this in depth, but you guys already seem to closed minded to hearing why our faith is the most libertarian ever.

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Maybe I missed something here, but I haven't seen any anti-Mormon comments in this thread...:confused: Am I missing context with respect to the rest of the forum?
 
Maybe I missed something here, but I haven't seen any anti-Mormon comments in this thread..

Don't BS me and act all innocent. There's only one reason this would be posted as "The Mormon Gulag," and that is to implicate The LDS Church or it's membership as being a bunch of mind control Nazis. Seriously Mesogen, was that not your intent?
 
Don't BS me and act all innocent. There's only one reason this would be posted as "The Mormon Gulag," and that is to implicate The LDS Church or it's membership as being a bunch of mind control Nazis. Seriously Mesogen, was that not your intent?

Don't be so presumptuous. It's the name of the damn website. Now, I can't see into Mesogen's mind, and maybe he used the website name in the thread title because he got some sense of satisfaction out of it, but for me, this is the first time I've heard of anything like this, and I'm placing blame right where it belongs, which is not with the religion.
 
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This "gulag" is/was a private organization. Not one penny of church funding was used to run this camp. No church leader has ever said this was part of an authorized Church program for the rehabilitation of young boys. Just like people of other religions, there are crazy Mormons just like their are crazy Catholics. Sometimes people get together and form private organizations on their own time and dime. I am not defending this place, I am just asking that you not implicate the Church in some sort of conspiracy to affect mind control on it's young male membership. I have been a life long member, and I am free to believe or not believe. I have never witnessed any element of force in it's teachings and I would say that the fundamental doctrines are quite libertarian in nature. I could explain this in depth, but you guys already seem to closed minded to hearing why our faith is the most libertarian ever.

You believe the lies of a convicted con-artist. Sorry,
 
Mormons believe Jackson county Missouri was the location of the Garden of Eden, and America is a special land chosen by God as a place reserved for people who love freedom.
 
It's the name of the website.

There's a reason it is and I sure we all know why. There are thousands of people on the web with an axe to grind against the LDS Church. The fact that there is a link with "The Mormon Connection" and a line on that page saying that Hinckley receives their news letters. What other possible explanation is there other than the fact the creator of the website wants to illustrate that the Church is involved in mind control programs for it's male youth? Who knows why the Church president got their news letter. More than likely he could have been following the organization to see what kind of PR nightmare it might become for the Church.
 
You believe the lies of a convicted con-artist.

You believe the lies of Joseph Smith's enemies. There is no way the truth could be spun about Joseph Smith by the powers that be at the time. And how was McCarthy or Lincoln remembered? Exactly the way the powers that be want them to be. How will Ron Paul be remembered? I'm sure you are ultimately scrutinizing when reading the comments of Ron Paul detractors, but would you pause before slandering the leader of my religion. No, because it's not your religion. What exactly is your motivation here?
 
You believe the lies of Joseph Smith's enemies. There is no way the truth could be spun about Joseph Smith by the powers that be at the time. And how was McCarthy or Lincoln remembered? Exactly the way the powers that be want them to be. How will Ron Paul be remembered? I'm sure you are ultimately scrutinizing when reading the comments of Ron Paul detractors, but would you pause before slandering the leader of my religion. No, because it's not your religion. What exactly is your motivation here?

Why should I stop slandering your religion? What makes religion so special that your faith is free from criticism?

I also slam every economic Keynesian and Socialist that comes through here, and not one of them has ever said, "please, pause from slandering my beliefs"

And just like the Keynesian economic textbooks plaguing the economic system, your Mormon book belongs in the same place they do, in the garbage.
 
Mormons believe Jackson county Missouri was the location of the Garden of Eden...

Why is this relevant and who the hell cares? Do you have a better explanation for where the Garden of Eden was? Christians in general believe that the earth was created in 7 days and that Jesus was born of a virgin birth. Do either of those things seem any more like they could be explained by the logical mind than the garden of Eden being located in Jackson County Missouri?
 
Why should I stop slandering your religion? What makes religion so special that your faith is free from criticism?

All I was saying that it is a cheap shot to link the LDS Church with some crazy fringe organization and I am fully convinced that is the intent of both the website and this post.
 
There's a reason it is and I sure we all know why. There are thousands of people on the web with an axe to grind against the LDS Church. The fact that there is a link with "The Mormon Connection" and a line on that page saying that Hinckley receives their news letters. What other possible explanation is there other than the fact the creator of the website wants to illustrate that the Church is involved in mind control programs for it's male youth? Who knows why the Church president got their news letter. More than likely he could have been following the organization to see what kind of PR nightmare it might become for the Church.

Some of the testimonials on the site say that they are still in the LDS church, but they can't believe this place exists.
 
Why is this relevant and who the hell cares? Do you have a better explanation for where the Garden of Eden was? Christians in general believe that the earth was created in 7 days and that Jesus was born of a virgin birth. Do either of those things seem any more like they could be explained by the logical mind than the garden of Eden being located in Jackson County Missouri?

Im just saying that at least the regular Christians have the whole "It happened a long time ago in a far away exotic land" thing going on. Yours says, "No it happened right there on 4th street next to the deli"
 


All I was saying that it is a cheap shot to link the LDS Church with some crazy fringe organization and I am fully convinced that is the intent of both the website and this post.

Its all crazy. Just to various degrees. The other Christians have there wacky Jesus camps as well.
 
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