The Mindset of the NeoCons, Why we wont Win Over Them Or Could We?

[AngryCanadian]

Fake Veterans claiming to be vets and yet they show support for war mongers and want more wars and comments such as these from the NeoCons.
Note these comments are from a neocon site.

nope, i do not support him because i believe him to be weak on defence. in addition, he has been involved, perhaps indirectly, as anti-Semitic. that newsletter issue is a vote sinker, if you ask me.

I do not particularly like Newt Gingrich, either, so i am not a Gingrich conspiratorial groupie talking trash....
Paulette does not have the creditials to be supported by conserative independents.

At times he sounds like a pure genius and then other times he sounds like a straight lunatic.

Paul is worse than a fruit cake. He is a mentally unstable psychotic freak.

Ron Paul wants Israel wiped from the face of the earth.
Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
Ron Paul wants Iran to have nukes...... no surprise.

This guy really irritates me to no end doesn't that idiot know it was a mistranslation by Ahmadinejad?

Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas are not against a soldier's best interest.

And here comes more FAKE veterans claiming to be vets and he insults Paul

I am a veteran (USMC NCO) and I don't support Ron Paul.

Paul is under the delusion that the only statist threats emanate from home while there is little or no threat from statism abroad.

For example, if the libertarians at home confronted statism at home with the same vigor that conservatives and many patriotic democrats have confronted fascism, islamists, communists, monarchists and other autocrats abroad -- the problems in this country would be significantly less pronounced.

In sum, Paul reminds me of the faint hearted conservatives, libertarians of the early 20th century who allowed the Left to destroy our economic liberties slowly from the establishment of the Federal reserve in 1913 through the New Deal and later the Great Society.

A Paul presidency would allow statist threats to flourish abroad, while the defenders of representative governance and free markets would be disheartened and destroyed. Eventually the threat would end up at our doorsteps and it would require a herculean effort to eliminate (see WWII and Cold War)
Paul is dangerous if only because he is naive and clueless.

Unbelievable

So you support his foreign policy positions that would be against your own best interests?

Here's more fake Vets claiming to be a christian i guess this christian forget that the bible doesn't call for wars against other nations.

I was in the service during the Gulf War, My whole family was military and are Christians, None of us would support him, and I do not see how any christians could support him, He's for everything immoral, he'ld gut our military, the guy reminds me of a dictator, he's fans are like cults, he'ld bring all our troops home, i beleave that, He'ld bring every troop home from everywere, he's like an isolationist, and that can be dangerous, to many countrys are trying to get nukes, he thinks a little country like Iran does not pose any danger to us, with a nuke they sure do. BUT, he does have some great ideas, like, why are we paying for bases that we build in other country's and just abandom them? that is crazy, Give credit were credit is due. He has good ideas, but he has some very dangerous ones to. in my opinion. To bad we don't have a candidate with a little of all the ones running, but, you can't have everything good. you have to look at the good and the bad, To many people are looking for pretty speaches, and such, but NOT looking at the character of a person, how they will respond to a crises, how they will actualy lead.

And other poster claiming to be a vet, even though i believe he maybe a fake vet, on the internet like those hardcore neocon forums you cant trust them for their on words.

I'm a Vet.
I don't support Ron Paul.

I think that his foreign policy would result, long term, in far more dead Americans
and dead/wounded/maimed American military personnel than anything I've heard
proposed in my lifetime.

No thanks.
I want my kids to live.
I want their kids to live.

So I say no thanks to Ron Paul.
The man is far more dangerous to this nation than people can imagine.

So really Vet Ron Paul foreign policy would result, long term, in far more dead Americans? sadly i disagree with that, unless you want all and every European countries protesting against the American bases, if the American military military occupation of Europe further continues.

Protests against the American military bases could turn into a first European terrorism attacks against these bases if you think and believe that Ron paul is more dangerous to America then you are sadly mistaken, a Rick Santorum,Newt,Romney Presidency would be far more dangerous.

No thanks.
I want my kids to live.
I want their kids to live.

Ok this poster stated that he wants his kids to live yet how can they live if a Future president would send them oversea to die in vein?

Now i found this quote to be the most scariest,ridiculous quote of the year in my book.

Babies with cerebral palsy, advanced stage down syndrome, or some other physical defect have been blessed by our Creator and He should be praised and all you women who do not consider this are going to hell and Lord Jesus Christ will cast you into the fiery lake of burning sulfur when israel attacks iran which will lead to the battle of megiddo and will then lead to the return of our Lord Jesus Christ!!

we also thank God for our holiest and Godly regular folk armchair doctors and nurses who eat so much steak, smoke, drink to the point of their bellies becoming like the God-given Mt. Everest (God bless their hearts and their stomachs)... and special thanks to Google (Praise be to God!), these folks know women's bodies better than they do.

and once again, our most revered and holy leader, his excellency, rick santorum is RIGHT ON ON THIS ONE!!!

Elsewhere on their NeoCon Site a member on there site insulted the Palestinians people as rejects from the Islam world, which i find it quite offensive

The so called Palestianians are rejects from the rest of the Islam world. Not Wanted but used! Plain and simple truth!

My Review On Their Mindset.

-These supposed Republicans on that site, that i have seen have long become impossible to win over, the only one way now to win them over if the GOP really does elect Rick Santorum and gets defeated in the general then they will realize how big of mistake was it by not electing Ron Paul.

Or let them elect Rick Santorum and let them see just how bad under a presidency by either Rick,Newt will be that will be the only one of waking them up, since the way i see it the mainstream media isn't doing the job correctly.



-Its Unbelievable what some of the site members and how they view of the Palestinians people i have met with several Palestinians here in Canada and talked with them i have to say they are quite very friendly, the Palestinians i met aren't hardcore followers of Islam, however they very moderates.

But for those NeoCons to attack the Palestinians people by insulting them calling them as rejects is quite offensive, but since it was a neocon site i understand, i guess those kind of comments over there are acceptable and i find that very sad.


It seems they have a Narrow minded view of the world.

-And also from a medical stand point of view i noticed some of the NeoCons talking points that they are very fixed on key FOX News,Sean Hannity,Rush and these key talking words (Ahmadinejad,Iran,Newsletters,WRONG,Nukes,Israel)

That to me then made it clear that they have a mind set of a drone, which thus is impossible to break their thinking habits, unless either they come to their own conclusion (which i see that is highly unlike to happen) or let the voters vote for Rick,Newt, just so they can see how wrong they were.


It reminds me of a thread made by a mod here where in his state he found a voter from the year 2008 who voted for John McCain and was laughing off at Ron Paul Till and Until he came to his senses by reading books going to the internet and finding out the truth.


And you know what the Voter said? He was so wrong to laugh off Ron Paul and now he will be voting for him, this is the result because of the mainstream which they never gave you any truths, Neither Does FOX News or any of the NeoCon Talk radio hosts.


-In My opinion these members at that NeoCon site are also brainwashed into thinking and they see and view war as entertainment, there posts are showing me that.



-They also believe that Santorum has a chance of betting Obama even though without realizing he was voted as the most voted most corrupt senator in 2006 I guess that doesn't mean much to them now does it?



If mods have a problem with my thread please move it, and also what you think on we can win them over? i bet after their quotes you must be what is wrong with them?

Sadly my friends they are brainwashed,closed minded and have a narrow minded view of the world.


It seems that The NeoCons dont have anything against Insults and attacks against the good doctor Ron Paul i guess in a way you could say we are winning, but i bet we wont over those voters.

 

[eqcitizen]

You are never going to change the minds of all. I have found that the best way to challenge people is to use their own beliefs against them and create a contradiction in their own mind. For example, most conservatives are firm military supporters; ask why is it then that Ron Paul gets more money from active duty military than all other candidates combined? Most social conservatives do not like his policy on drugs, so bring up alcohol prohibition and ask if that was a good idea. Most conservatives look upon the founding fathers with complete and total reverence, especially washington and jefferson. So ask them who among the republican candidates is the most like them on every level? In regards to Iran, ask them if we should have invaded Russia to prevent them from getting a nuke and then ask, did they ever launch one against us, even though they had much more reason to? And then in regards to Israel, ask them if they believe, like a pinko liberal, in living other peoples lives for them? Should we make decisions for other countries? No, well then why dont we let Israel take care of Israel and if they ask for our help, give it to them. Right now they are not asking for it so lets leave them be.

It is next to impossible to win over someone who's mind is made up because every argument you give will just be dismissed. They have to be willing to change their own minds. Hell i was just as bad as these guys and i would have never changed my mind if not for a friend who i thought was extremely intelligent and right on most things. He changed my mind. So do not be disheartened, slowly but surely we will win.

 

[narrowphoenix]

All those people are SADLY misinformed, and always will be because they watch Fox News and listen to those retards on the radio. They still think and always have that there is a difference between Democrat and Republican. The only difference between the two are talking points but they ALL (except RP) do the same.

 

[sailingaway]

Real neocons, not the 'national security conservatives' whom we COULD win over, given enough debate time, want power over others. We don't want them to have power over others. We are anathema to them.

 

[Drex]

I had a conversation with someone the other day and was telling them that the ' WMD ' in Iraq was war propaganda. He quickly said "NO NO there was chemical weapons there we found them". LOL.

I further went on to talk about how we overthrew Iran's democracy to replace in with a dictatorship. He said. " That didn't happen, that is just propaganda." LOLOLOLOL

He later went on the say that Santorum is the most pro-life candidate in the race and doesn't believe in abortions even in cases of incest or rape.

Gotta love those one issue voters... Even though RP is the most pro-life... they still go to SANTORUM!

 

[TruckinMike]

The Radio Mafia

 

[Kodaddy]

Ask these pro-lifers if they're against the death penalty...ask them if they believe innocent women and children have the right to life. Anyone that espouses war is definitely not pro-life. Expose their hypocrisy.

 

[rpwi]

I personally suspect that stupid 'wipe Israel from the face of the earth' mistranslation is single-handily the source of soooo much pro-war and anti-Paul sentiment we're seeing now.

Paul HAS to address this specific issue, boldly and on a big stage. Perhaps do some research on this as well...

Next time, Paul is asked about Iran...would love him to say something like:

I think we need to ask why we think Iran poses us or Israel such a threat? The biggest reason has been the 'wipe Israel from the face of the earth' mistranslation issued and later retracted by the NY Times. Many linguistic experts have examined the translation and have deemed it totally bogus. In fact a closer translation would be that the Israeli government (not it's people) would pass on over time. It is very important to differentiate the two. Keep in mind, in the middle east, the current arrangement between Palestinians and Israelis is extremely unpopular. The key reason being that the millions in the Gaza Strip and West Bank don't get to vote in the general elections...nor do they get an independent state of their own. Obviously this is not an ideal situation... This is why some have advocated a two-state solution and some a one-state solution. I'm not going to advocate either. That's for them to decide. Ahmadinejad's statements are better understood analogous to someone calling for the end of an apartheid government in South Africa...not a call for military action. He has repeatedly said he has no problem with Jews but rather Israel's exclusionary policy toward Palestinians. He has also stated that Iran accepts it's Jewish minority and has no problem with them participating in parliament. At a D-8 Summit he has disavowed this mistranslation and said repeatedly that Iran would never attack first and that he felt that the Zionist government would collapse on it's own.

Now Ahmadinejad is not a perfect character, but the press has completely botched the situation and made much more out of this then what there really is. If we're concerned about Ahmadinejad's statements...why not ask him about them? If war could be prevented by clarifying a mistranslation, isn't that worth it?

The other big concern about Ahmadinejad is the claims that he has denied the Holocaust. While I don't think he has an accurate picture of history, the press has mangled this issue beyond belief. To start with Ahmadinejad, has publicly pondered why historians have been jailed in Europe for telling different accounts of the holocaust. On this Ahmadinejad has a point...much of Europe does not believe in free speech and it is important to recognize this right from even those you disagree with...even if they proclaim the earth to be flat. The second main point of Ahmadinejad's is that he feels the holocaust story is a myth in that it ignores the millions of non-Jews (like the communist and gypsies) that were killed and then uses the death of the Jews as a rational for displacing Palestinians for Jewish government. He doesn't disagree that many Jews were killed by the German Government.

So ask yourself...? Do you want to go to war over over gossip and fake quotes from the press? Do you want to bankrupt this country with another war? Do you want another draft? Or do you want to avoid all this with simple dialog and to stop being the policeman of the world?

Would Paul say this...no...but he should

 

[EBounding]

I'm a former neocon. It's not something I would have admitted at the time though. I campaigned for Bush and was part of the College Republicans and everything. I don't think I was as extreme as the people in those posts, but I certainly believed that it was important to be the policeman of the world, that the wars keep us safe, and that our enemy was irrationally motivated by their religion.

I was convinced though by finally sitting down and listening to Ron Paul on my own. The debt crisis scared me so much though that I didn't care about his foreign policy at first. Now ending the wars is just as much of a priority to me as fixing the debt situation.

So basically, it's not impossible, but it's something people have to find out on their own. But people can't find out on their own if Paul quits. If Paul decided not to run again, I would have apathetically voted for Romney again accepting that he would be the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. If it weren't for Paul, Romney probably would have been swept to the nomination already. That's why it's so important that we keep supporting Paul until the nomination is over.

 

[seekingliberty]

I'm a former neocon. It's not something I would have admitted at the time though. I campaigned for Bush and was part of the College Republicans and everything. I don't think I was as extreme as the people in those posts, but I certainly believed that it was important to be the policeman of the world, that the wars keep us safe, and that our enemy was irrationally motivated by their religion.

I was convinced though by finally sitting down and listening to Ron Paul on my own. The debt crisis scared me so much though that I didn't care about his foreign policy at first. Now ending the wars is just as much of a priority to me as fixing the debt situation.

So basically, it's not impossible, but it's something people have to find out on their own. But people can't find out on their own if Paul quits. If Paul decided not to run again, I would have apathetically voted for Romney again accepting that he would be the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. If it weren't for Paul, Romney probably would have been swept to the nomination already. That's why it's so important that we keep supporting Paul until the nomination is over.

Pretty much spot on for me and my husband. We didn't campaign for Bush but we defended him plenty.

 

[jbauer]

I threw my vote away in 08. I wont again. There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. Evil is Evil. I would rather dumbo get 4 more and we get to run another liberty candidate in 2016

I'm a former neocon. It's not something I would have admitted at the time though. I campaigned for Bush and was part of the College Republicans and everything. I don't think I was as extreme as the people in those posts, but I certainly believed that it was important to be the policeman of the world, that the wars keep us safe, and that our enemy was irrationally motivated by their religion.

I was convinced though by finally sitting down and listening to Ron Paul on my own. The debt crisis scared me so much though that I didn't care about his foreign policy at first. Now ending the wars is just as much of a priority to me as fixing the debt situation.

So basically, it's not impossible, but it's something people have to find out on their own. But people can't find out on their own if Paul quits. If Paul decided not to run again, I would have apathetically voted for Romney again accepting that he would be the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. If it weren't for Paul, Romney probably would have been swept to the nomination already. That's why it's so important that we keep supporting Paul until the nomination is over.

 

[oldsmobile98]

I have found that the best way to challenge people is to use their own beliefs against them and create a contradiction in their own mind. For example, most conservatives are firm military supporters; ask why is it then that Ron Paul gets more money from active duty military than all other candidates combined?

+ Rep. You get it.

Create cognitive dissonance while being polite. Most Republicans can be convinced, but it takes time and effort. You have to be nice, because Paul supporters have an image problem among some people as being rude and demanding.

Today I posted this video on my Facebook. Most Republicans, especially older folks, like Eisenhower. USE THIS to bring people to the cause of liberty.