The media is not invincible. Let's figure out how to take them down.

[8ClicksPerSecond]

Once the older generation dies off the MSM will be powerless

Let's hope that the internet doesn't get censored then.

 

[moonshine5757]

Once the older generation dies off the MSM will be powerless

In theory it sounds good, but they are already trying to pass laws to rope in the internet. This beautiful place of freedom could be stolen from us as well.

 

[economics102]

1. A level playing field with regard to competition
2. An informed public
3. Threats to their world view (mostly Leftist / Collectivist; some Neocon)

These are true, but I meant the question in a different way:

Situation A: Ron Paul wins the nomination

Situation B: <something that may have nothing to do with Outcome A but is even more harmful to the establishment of Outcome B>

If we can find a Situation B which we have the power to bring about, then we have real leverage over the establishment. It may be that there is some Situation B that we are uniquely positioned to bring about much more easily than Situation A, and even if it's not something we want, it's something we can use as a pressure tactic.

 

[moonshine5757]

What we need is a 4th major cable TV news station; everyone knows that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News are not "fair and balanced." If there was a 4th news station that actually gained a reputation of being fair, many would switch. How hard would it be to launch a cable TV news station? We would need some filthy-rich libertarians willing to put some capital forward for such a project and I'm sure many of us would be willing to donate or buy stock in such a venture.

and then at some point it would be corrupted by the companies purchasing ads. television is never going to be a source of freedom, and that is why we must fight for the internet. we must protect her at all costs.

 

[kill the banks]

Once the older generation dies off the MSM will be powerless

LOL yes so younger generation can vote in obama or sit at home not showing up

 

[dbill27]

What we need is a real strategy for getting through to older voters that don't use the internet.

More practical than any other post in this thread vie read so far, no offense guys but pirate tv? Don't see that happening

 

[AceNZ]

I think a "positive/happy" spin would work, and humor. Humor is why Stewart and Colbert do so well.

I agree. Comedy seems to be one of the last remaining outlets for truth. Takes some serious talent to do it right, though. TV clips, interviews with key people, political jokes -- it's a winning combo.

Another possibility is to try to wrangle a deal with a station like PressTV or RT, like Adam Kokesh. But there are significant risks and limitations of such an approach, too.

 

[lilymc]

and then at some point it would be corrupted by the companies purchasing ads. television is never going to be a source of freedom, and that is why we must fight for the internet. we must protect her at all costs.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-them-down.&p=3953784&viewfull=1#post3953784

 

[economics102]

I don't think the solution is to make people realize the MSM is crooked. People already think that (albeit to a lesser extent) and if we don't have a clear alternative to offer, they're going to continue watching the MSM anyway. Heck, even I still go to cnn.com and watch CNN on TV.

What some in this thread have said about focusing on spreading the message, that's true, that's one crucial vector we need.

But the other vector may be this. We aren't going to get people to stop watching CNN. So instead we must make CNN something less manipulative to watch. So we need real, genuine power over the MSM.

 

[TheTexan]

What we need is a 4th major cable TV news station; everyone knows that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News are not "fair and balanced." If there was a 4th news station that actually gained a reputation of being fair, many would switch. How hard would it be to launch a cable TV news station? We would need some filthy-rich libertarians willing to put some capital forward for such a project and I'm sure many of us would be willing to donate or buy stock in such a venture.

NPR, when they aren't reporting on silly stuff like middle eastern basket weaving, or the tribal songs of the amazon, have amazing news reports and interviews. Extremely fair and balanced, and very detailed. They tend to interview multiple people at once, so you can get both sides of the story, and never show any bias. You could have Gandhi and Hitler in the same interview, and the interviewer will treat both sides with respect and without bias.

Yet they get lambasted as being liberal.

 

[AceNZ]

What we need is a 4th major cable TV news station; everyone knows that MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News are not "fair and balanced." If there was a 4th news station that actually gained a reputation of being fair, many would switch. How hard would it be to launch a cable TV news station? We would need some filthy-rich libertarians willing to put some capital forward for such a project and I'm sure many of us would be willing to donate or buy stock in such a venture.

Yeah, damn, if only one of those libertarian billionaires would step forward, all of our problems would be solved. NOT.

All of the existing distribution systems are controlled, including satellite. If you really want a nationwide system that would be anti-MSM and anti-FedGov, you would need to put up your own satellite, set up your own distribution and installation network, bribe government officials, hire lobbyists by the dozens, etc -- again, you end up playing their game.

 

[8ClicksPerSecond]

and then at some point it would be corrupted by the companies purchasing ads. television is never going to be a source of freedom, and that is why we must fight for the internet. we must protect her at all costs.

I'm not sure if that's true or not, if the company remained in the hands of people that we trust, that may not be the case. I don't think we should be putting all of our eggs in one basket with the internet. Look at places like Redstate.com, they ban Ron Paul supporters and it is one of the largest Republican websites out there. People will always watch TV and there isn't a thing we can really do to change CNN/Fox/MSNBC.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

If you look at opinion polls most Americans already distrust the media.

That simply isn't true, most of those polls are worded in such a way that it refers to the "mainstream media" and Republicans associate that term as meaning "the liberal media" so of course they hate and distrust the liberal media. However, those same people absolutely do trust Republican media and Republican media is just as much a part of the establishment as CNN.

 

[AceNZ]

Once the older generation dies off the MSM will be powerless

Which is why Internet controls are coming. Soon. The MSM won't give up their power without a fight. Wouldn't a military draft target just the right age group? Hmm.

 

[economics102]

That simply isn't true, most of those polls are worded in such a way that it refers to the "mainstream media" and Republicans associate that term as meaning "the liberal media" so of course they hate the liberal media. However, those same people absolutely do trust Republican media and Republican media is just as much a part of the establishment as CNN.

OK, but even if that's the case, in my opinion people are probably still going to get their news from the MSM whether they trust them or not.

 

[TheTexan]

More practical than any other post in this thread vie read so far, no offense guys but pirate tv? Don't see that happening

Pirate tv may be a bit hard. Pirate radio on the other hand is actually very feasible. Last I checked, you can hijack major radio stations for under <$1000, though it'll be a small area. In urban areas that can reach a lot of people.

 

[RickyJ]

You have to expose them to take them down. Expose their lies and people will be less likely to believe anything they say.

 

[TomtheTinker]

The media is gitty

 

[AceNZ]

What we need is a real strategy for getting through to older voters that don't use the internet.

More practical than any other post in this thread vie read so far, no offense guys but pirate tv? Don't see that happening

Pirate TV (or radio) is a strategy to reach those "older voters who don't use the Internet."

You don't see it happening now, but that's only because you don't see the freight train moving your way like some of us do.

We need something Big and something Unconventional.

 

[8ClicksPerSecond]

Yeah, damn, if only one of those libertarian billionaires would step forward, all of our problems would be solved. NOT.

All of the existing distribution systems are controlled, including satellite. If you really want a nationwide system that would be anti-MSM and anti-FedGov, you would need to put up your own satellite, set up your own distribution and installation network, bribe government officials, hire lobbyists by the dozens, etc -- again, you end up playing their game.

We just need a station that's actually fair and in the hands of reputable people, not the likes of the Murdochs and Turners of the world. It wouldn't have to be anti-fedgov or anti-anything really, it just needs to be fair. I have over 1,000 stations with my provider (Verizon FiOS) and I'm pretty sure that a lot of these channels make very little money and probably didn't cost too much to start up. We just need somewhere to start.. people are always going to watch TV is my point and the internet is not incorruptible.