The March Must Be About The Message, Not The Man. *Please Read*

[the_oco]

I'll be there swinging a "live free or die sign" with RP on the other

 

[Revolution9]

Now can we get some other people who agree to 1-star this thread??

I don't want to get involved naming this thing, but if I were to do it, it would be Ron Paul Revolution DC Rally: March for Freedom

I like "Don't Tread On Me" - An American Freedom Celebration for Ron Paul and The Remnant.. May be a bit long though but DTOM s the key phrase. Everybody knows that snippet of history and has seen the flag.

Best
Randy
Long live Ron Paul!

 

[dannno]

I agree, this march should be focused on freedom, and of course because it is focused on freedom, there will be plenty of RP signs, but lots of NO IRS signs, no war signs, all the good stuff.If we focus this only on RP, we will only get RP supporters. Focus it on freedom, you'll get gun-rights, free speech activists, and ya, probably some truthers. I'm not a truther, don't agree with what they have to say, but will fight to the death to defend their right to say it. So yes, I agree, focus this on the movement, not the man.

I agree, I think we should make the rally about all sorts of different things. It can be a peace rally, a No IRS Rally, most importantly a freedom rally and hopefully we will be able to attract all sorts of interests... but most importantly it is a Ron Paul Rally and we shouldn't try to pretend that it isn't.

 

[affa]

Ok...

As mentioned, we're going to have all sorts of groups here.
Truthers.
Anti-WTO/IMF types
Pro-gun people
pro-lifers, pro-choicers
etc,etc,etc

Yes, this March needs to be about Ron Paul.

But some of you seem to want this thing to be exclusionary.

Understand, there will be a LOT of people at this event. You will not agree with all of them.

We need to include everyone, or else we will be setting ourselves up to be protested by the very groups that should be supporting us! Freedom is powerful.

EDIT TO ADD:
I am not advocating everyone use this march for their own agenda. Everyone should be there supporting Ron Paul. But we need to understand that others will do as others will do.

 

[Evazan]

This is a march for Ron Paul to show the size and power of the remnant. I see clowns here suggesting that 911 truthers may fuck shit up while wholeheartedly endorsing organistations crawling with cointelpro into the organisation phase. Get a grip people. This is RP's rally..or didn't you watch the video. Other than that..who the fuck are you working for or against???

Randy

By the time this march happens the primaries will be over. It is not a march for a man, it is a march for ideals. Ron Paul has said it himself over and over, this movement is not about him, it is about the ideals of freedom and the constitution.

If you make this march about Ron Paul it will be doomed to fail. You will have a couple thousand people there waving Ron Paul signs which will do nothing else but to annoy the same people who have already seen Ron Paul signs waved on corners throughout the country.

Ron Paul is a humble man. I don't understand how people can misinterpret his words and think this is a march for him. The point of this march is to gather all freedom loving people into one area to show the government that america still respects the constitution. I do not care if these people are truthers, druggies, anti-war, anti-abortion, or anything else. As long as they stand for the constitution they should be welcomed with open arms, not shunned away.

 

[tamor]

Which one of these is the main purpose of the march?
1. to get RP elected
2. to demonstrate against the loss of freedoms
3. to get so many people there the msm cannot ignore us
4. other?

 

[humanic]

Yes. Ron Paul SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HE CANNOT TELL HIS SUPPORTERS WHAT TO DO. Then he repeated it to emphasize. Now the person you quoted is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE.

I'm not going to get into the second part, but if you have 2 cents worth of imagination you can figure it out for yourself.

Did you read my post? You didn't, did you? I didn't quote that person because I agreed with them. I quoted that person because they were saying the exact same thing that Ron Paul is against, like you said. You seem to be in agreement with me. Please read my post before you criticize it and call for it's deletion.

 

[dannno]

Did you read my post? You didn't, did you? I didn't quote that person because I agreed with them. I quoted that person because they were saying the exact same thing that Ron Paul is against, like you said. You seem to be in agreement with me. Please read my post before you criticize it and call for it's deletion.

Hmmmmmm..... well I re-read and I'll say I disagree with both of you still for different reasons.

First of all, when somebody says, "this is not a thread to discuss 9/11, I repeat, this is not a thread to discuss 9/11"

then proceeds to quote somebody with fascist tendencies who claims to support Ron Paul I'm going to start out a little upset..

The reason I disagree with the latter part of your post is not because this IS supposed to be about Ron Paul and you make it sound like you don't want it to have anything to do with him because there might be some 9/11 truther signs out there, and you don't want all these different opinions to be associated with him.. but what's the point of doing it at all if we're not going to stand behind Ron Paul

 

[Crickett]

Which one of these is the main purpose of the march?
1. to get RP elected
2. to demonstrate against the loss of freedoms
3. to get so many people there the msm cannot ignore us
4. other?

I have a 5th one. I want to March to get back to the Constitution. To me, that covers everything and the Representatives are passing reprehensible laws. Voting for "immunity" of crimes for the president and now telephone companies! They have no authority to do this. Let us march for the Constitution. That is what I thought RP meant.

 

[humanic]

Hmmmmmm..... well I re-read and I'll say I disagree with both of you still for different reasons.

First of all, when somebody says, "this is not a thread to discuss 9/11, I repeat, this is not a thread to discuss 9/11"

then proceeds to quote somebody with fascist tendencies who claims to support Ron Paul I'm going to start out a little upset..

The reason I disagree with the latter part of your post is not because this IS supposed to be about Ron Paul and you make it sound like you don't want it to have anything to do with him because there might be some 9/11 truther signs out there, and you don't want all these different opinions to be associated with him.. but what's the point of doing it at all if we're not going to stand behind Ron Paul

You are misunderstanding my post. I am not saying that I "don't want these different opinions to be associated with him." I am stating two facts:

1) There are many people who feel that certain points of view that they find to be "politically incorrect" should not be associated with Ron Paul.
2) There will inevitably be people exercising their first amendment rights and expressing "politically incorrect" points of view at this march no matter what. Some of them may not even be Ron Paul supporters.

Because of these two facts, I suggest that we make this march about Ron Paul's message of freedom, liberty, and the Constitution rather than about Ron Paul the man. Otherwise, many of the people in group #1 above will want to censor the people in group #2, and it will create division instead of unity. We should embrace our diversity and celebrate the expressions thereof, not adopt a collectivist mentality where one subsection of supporters tries to use coercion to suppress the free expression of another based on their subjective interpretation of what is and is not good for Ron Paul's campaign. To do so would fly in the face of the message that Ron Paul represents. What could be a better way to promote his presidency than by showing that, unlike many supporters of other candidates, the supporters of Ron Paul are not a cult of personality, but rather a group of like-minded individuals supporting a candidate who shares their beliefs and values? What could be a better testament to the legitimacy of the movement of which Ron Paul is the central figure than for us to come out and practice what we preach instead of acting like collectivists, and therefore hypocrites?

 

[Revolution9]

<snip preamble>

If you make this march about Ron Paul it will be doomed to fail. <snip ornamentation>

Whose side are you on pal? RP delivered this message and he asked us to do this march to show OUR number and the size of the REMNANT. You have no idea of our strength and commitment and behind the scenes gambits.

Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Ron Paul is THE MESSAGE. There is no ego trip in the Man. There is alot of ego tripping disguised as nanny-esque guidance that look all askew to my perceptions judging by my viewing and understanding of ALL that was said and spoken to in his video.

Randy

 

[humanic]

As someone who disbelieves in the government's conspiracy theory about 9/11, I know that regardless, people need to keep the issue away from that march. There will surely be some people who disregard that anyway, provocateurs and honest people alike. One thing to make sure of, though, is to not throw a big bitchfit to anyone unwise enough to take a 9/11 sign. That'll make bigger news than just a 9/11 sign-holder. Stay calm no matter who says what.

This is what I am saying. People will NOT be able to stop everyone there from expressing points of view that THEY deem to be politically incorrect and detrimental to Ron Paul's campaign. If the march is all about the Ron Paul campaign instead of the message of freedom and the Constitution, there will be those who try to silence them. Not only will this create massive division, it will be a widespread manifestation of collectivism, the very thing we are united against.

 

[affa]

Ron Paul is THE MESSAGE.

Absolute QFT.

The message and the man are intricately bound together. The man's integrity and lifelong commitment to the message empower an already powerful message.

 

[ziggrl]

If we go with just the message (and not RP), we can also include the 3rd party people and make it even bigger. Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party. All the parties that promote liberty.

After all, RP said that it is not about him, it's about the message. The message is bigger and should include all freedom loving people.

 

[ziggrl]

A Constitution march would be appropriate. Nobody seems to follow it anymore despite their oath of office.

 

[humanic]

If we go with just the message (and not RP), we can also include the 3rd party people and make it even bigger. Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party. All the parties that promote liberty.

After all, RP said that it is not about him, it's about the message. The message is bigger and should include all freedom loving people.

Exactly. And furthermore, as I've said, what could be a better testament to Ron Paul's ability to lead and unite this country, and to his viability as a candidate, than for thousands and thousands of people take to the streets to promote the very things he stands for? What could be a better testament to the legitimacy of the movement of which Ron Paul is the central figure than for us to come out and practice what we preach instead of acting like collectivists, and therefore hypocrites? What could be a better way to promote his presidency than by showing that, unlike many supporters of other candidates, the supporters of Ron Paul are not a cult of personality, but rather a group of like-minded individuals supporting a candidate who shares their beliefs and values.

 

[Tina]

I'm going to do my best to be there for the march. This may be one of the most important things we can do for this country right now.

 

[humanic]

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[rprprs]

The message and the man are intricately bound together. The man's integrity and lifelong commitment to the message empower an already powerful message.

Let us not forget this.

Now having said that, I gotta say that this whole "What should this march be about?" debate is very problematic. I fully understand the inherent hypocrisy in adopting an exclusionary and/or collectivist stance. But having an "open-arms", "everybody's-welcome" attitude presents its own set of dangers. Unbridled, that option will dilute any meaningful message beyond recognition. Without clear and distinct focus on the message of Dr. Paul, the march will be in danger of deteriorating into one big meaningless mess, a free-for-all party reminiscent of a 60's "Be-In". The concept of having a "Big Tent" certainly has its merits, but this is OUR tent, after all. I see no problem in using some discretion as to whom we welcome in.