The Limits of Evolution

Never forget that what a person considers to be valid will be a reflection of his own worldview, guided by presuppositions which either affirm naturalism or affirm supernaturalism, at the outset. To the creationist, his belief system is valid because his own assumptions about the universe comport with his interpretations of the evidence from raw nature. The same applies to the evolutionist.

I would add that creationism makes more sense because, as rational human beings, we reason that when we observe a complex entity in the world, like a computer motherboard or a skyscraper, that it had to have come from a more complex entity. When observing Mt. Rushmore, no one ever reasons, "Look at those four heads in the rock. Isn't it amazing that it evolved over millions of years and formed into four U.S. Presidents?!" That would be a very irrational judgment, and it makes sense to us that Mt. Rushmore was designed by its sheer features, without question.

Yet, when it comes to the real Presidents from which Mt. Rushmore was carved, many people fall into the irrational claim that those Presidents evolved on their own over millions of years, with all of their anatomical systems and structures. [lol] Rock is not more complex than flesh, and evolutionists should know better. They would rather be irrational than admit the obvious about design in creatures. Ultimately, they don't want to acknowledge God (Romans 1), and it has nothing to do with scientific evidence. It is philosophical, through and through.

Stop simplifying evolution to rocks. Your comparison between Mt. Rushmore and evolution makes no sense whatsoever, hence your arrogance attitude with your "solution" to the problem. A 4th grader could destroy your flimsy argument.

Irreducible Complexity, which you are trying to explain, is a total failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Argument_from_ignorance

Big fail. Try again.
 
Stop simplifying evolution to rocks. Your comparison between Mt. Rushmore and evolution makes no sense whatsoever, hence your arrogance attitude with your "solution" to the problem. A 4th grader could destroy your flimsy argument.

Irreducible Complexity, which you are trying to explain, is a total failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Argument_from_ignorance

Big fail. Try again.

I wholeheartedly agree there.

The rocks are not designed to evolve like living things are. Now the big question is, how did those living things get designed to evolve? How did they get the programming that allows them to evolve unlike those things that can't?
 
how did those living things get designed to evolve? How did they get the programming that allows them to evolve unlike those things that can't?

It’s not “programming”; it’s mutations, which are “errors” in cell replication. These errors increase in stressful environments and some just happen to be beneficial, enabling the ones with the mutations to survive and reproduce more that the non-mutated ones.
 
to you atheist minority, God sent you a message, he stuck his thumb in your eye, he did create this place by carefully evolving it, and he proves it by sticking his thumb in your eye in the form of the bombadier beetle who without intelligent design evolution would have long ago blown it into extinction. being a christian i have no trouble believing in evolution the physical evidence supports this, but exactly how is the next part,
you non believers will accept anything but christ, so few of you, you should be reaching out instead of slapping away at people who arent doing anything to you, and try everything to help you, we dont go around forcing people to convert or die, but you act like we have done all this, lurking around waiting baiting christians just so you can get some cuts in, shame on you.
 
to you atheist minority, God sent you a message, he stuck his thumb in your eye, he did create this place by carefully evolving it, and he proves it by sticking his thumb in your eye in the form of the bombadier beetle who without intelligent design evolution would have long ago blown it into extinction. being a christian i have no trouble believing in evolution the physical evidence supports this, but exactly how is the next part,
you non believers will accept anything but christ, so few of you, you should be reaching out instead of slapping away at people who arent doing anything to you, and try everything to help you, we dont go around forcing people to convert or die, but you act like we have done all this, lurking around waiting baiting christians just so you can get some cuts in, shame on you.

It looks like we have yet another example of the roots of religious violence. Look at all the references to violence in this short post, either in the name of religion or mistaking disagreements as attacks. Since I don’t know what strange version of “liberty” this user has in mind, I would not want to run across him in person.
 
wrong again, as usual, you skirt the substance and make a false accusation of supposed violence, how can you inject violence into my previous post?
well i dont expect you to explain how you logically twist my words to violence.
as with all your posts i have read, you seem like a smart person, so stop right there and explain how the bombadier beetle evolved.
 
I dont think you understand christians, we abhor violence, we understand that it breeds violence, i would much prefer sitting at the local pub and have a fat tire with you and we can peacefully debate our beliefs, so your assuption that i am violent is quite counter to my lifestyle, tbo i cant even kill a spider without remorse, an animal? i think i might cry, and i only get serious if me or my family is threatened, i fully depend on my faith to keep me safe, i know you think thats ludicrus (sp) but it has always worked and reinforces my faith, the mental gymnastics you go through must amaze your yoga instructor.
so i dont expect you to address my response with anything but spittle.
please my poor grammar im on my hd2 ill correct it later.
 
how can you inject violence into my previous post?

No injection necessary.

1) “to you atheist minority, God sent you a message, he stuck his thumb in your eye
2) “he proves it by sticking his thumb in your eye
3) “instead of slapping away at people who arent doing anything to you”
4) “baiting christians just so you can get some cuts in

explain how the bombadier beetle evolved.

In the same general way, I suppose. What kind of answer are you looking for? Give me a hint.
 
I dont think you understand christians, we abhor violence, we understand that it breeds violence, i would much prefer sitting at the local pub and have a fat tire with you and we can peacefully debate our beliefs, so your assuption that i am violent is quite counter to my lifestyle, tbo i cant even kill a spider without remorse, an animal? i think i might cry, and i only get serious if me or my family is threatened, i fully depend on my faith to keep me safe, i know you think thats ludicrus (sp) but it has always worked and reinforces my faith, the mental gymnastics you go through must amaze your yoga instructor.
so i dont expect you to address my response with anything but spittle.
please my poor grammar im on my hd2 ill correct it later.

OK. Since you made no references in this post, I believe you. Let’s chalk it up to poor grammar and your hd2. Besides, your future posts will reveal the truth. So let’s continue. What’s this about a beetle?
 
This is silliness.

In my experience, people who deny evolution have only ever learned biology in church.

Theodosius Dobzhansky (a Christian, for what it's worth) got it right when he wrote that "nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."
 
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