The Libertarian Case AGAINST Mandatory GMO Labeling

[better-dead-than-fed]

Life. Pretty much the first and most important thing that governments were instituted amongst men to protect.

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against people for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against people for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

That's the first time I've ever heard fascism called "silence" but the more I think of it, it kinda fits. Corporations using the guns of the State to silence the markets and the masses. It could be called "the silence" in an almost Doctor Who like perspective. "I am from the government. You will forget that you ever saw me." We will not remember, we will not tell. No sir Mr. State, we won't breathe a word about Master Monsanto.

Fascism as silence. OK that works a bit.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Life. Pretty much the first and most important thing that governments were instituted amongst men to protect.

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

no government has a right to remain fascist.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

no government has a right to remain fascist.

As if that justifies your advocacy of violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

As if that justifies your advocacy of violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent.

Who is committing violence against Monsanto for silence? You seem to have a fertile imagination.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Who is committing violence against Monsanto for silence? You seem to have a fertile imagination.

Hardly a fertile imagination. bdtf brings up an interesting perspective which is very relevant to the subject and it would do the base well to pay attention to his/her "fertile imagination". Is hardly out of the question to not see such an imagination for what it is. bdtf is simply begging the question. Is predictable language.

Here's a great example. And I only share this insight/perspective because someone around here had mentioned something about old news. Old news is often the most important news. Let's examine the partnership between agribusiness and private intell and security companies.

From the 2 year old paper...

Through Total Intelligence and the Terrorism Research Center, Blackwater also did business with a range of multinational corporations. According to internal Total Intelligence communications, biotech giant Monsanto—the world's largest supplier of genetically modified seeds—hired the firm in 2008–09. The relationship between the two companies appears to have been solidified in January 2008 when Total Intelligence chair Cofer Black traveled to Zurich to meet with Kevin Wilson, Monsanto's security manager for global issues.

After the meeting in Zurich, Black sent an e-mail to other Blackwater executives, including to Prince and Prado at their Blackwater e-mail addresses. Black wrote that Wilson "understands that we can span collection from internet, to reach out, to boots on the ground on legit basis protecting the Monsanto [brand] name.... Ahead of the curve info and insight/heads up is what he is looking for." Black added that Total Intelligence "would develop into acting as intel arm of Monsanto." Black also noted that Monsanto was concerned about animal rights activists and that they discussed how Blackwater "could have our person(s) actually join [activist] group(s) legally." Black wrote that initial payments to Total Intelligence would be paid out of Monsanto's "generous protection budget" but would eventually become a line item in the company's annual budget. He estimated the potential payments to Total Intelligence at between $100,000 and $500,000. According to documents, Monsanto paid Total Intelligence $127,000 in 2008 and $105,000 in 2009.

Reached by telephone and asked about the meeting with Black in Zurich, Monsanto's Wilson initially said, "I'm not going to discuss it with you." In a subsequent e-mail to The Nation, Wilson confirmed he met Black in Zurich and that Monsanto hired Total Intelligence in 2008 and worked with the company until early 2010. He denied that he and Black discussed infiltrating animal rights groups, stating "there was no such discussion." He claimed that Total Intelligence only provided Monsanto "with reports about the activities of groups or individuals that could pose a risk to company personnel or operations around the world which were developed by monitoring local media reports and other publicly available information. The subject matter ranged from information regarding terrorist incidents in Asia or kidnappings in Central America to scanning the content of activist blogs and websites." Wilson asserted that Black told him Total Intelligence was "a completely separate entity from Blackwater."

http://www.thenation.com/article/154739/blackwaters-black-ops?page=0,1


Also remember this recent revelation that I had shared in the Monsanto in Foreign Policy thread...

Unapproved genetically modified Monsanto wheat found in Oregon

Countries from all over the world are banning these edible science experiments and as we see more instances of these Oregon discoveries popping up those countries are stopping imports...for one thing.

So we have to see the public blowback for what it is instead of what bdtf seems to want to paint it into. Will continue seeng any boycott against the company and the policies that come with it watched very carefully by these agribusiness and private intell and security companies. Of course they'll paint the protest as some terrorist aspect against the company.

As we see this happen all over the world is also wise to pay attention to the media in these countries to see specifically how they sell it. What the narrative is.

Anyhoo. That's a very vague once over and certainly if anyone wants to discuss it further then that's why I added the topic in the foreign policy thread.

Oh, and one more thing we'll want to watch is that these foreign countries are going to obviously want to undercut Monsanto by introducing heirloom seeds back into the economies/agricultural infrastructure. So is another reason to really pay attention to foreign media where these "products" are banned and imports stopped.

Is a big old glass of water. Far bigger than some left/right paradigm arguing free markets in context with government controlled monopolies and theoretical rights.

Labeling is nonsensical rhetoric in scope, really, but...well...you know....

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

So what's the problem with initiating force against companies who advertise honestly but remain silent on certain issues which you idiosyncratically value?

Life. Pretty much the first and most important thing that governments were instituted amongst men to protect.

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

no government has a right to remain fascist.

As if that justifies your advocacy of violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent.

Who is committing violence against Monsanto for silence?

But I was only addressing your advocacy. Do you advocate sanctions against Monsanto employees who "fraudulently" offer food without labeling it "GMO"?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

But I was only addressing your advocacy. Do you advocate sanctions against Monsanto employees who "fraudulently" offer food without labeling it "GMO"?

Advocacy is violence now? LOL Do you have a 'free speech zone' set up for me somewhere down the block too?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And you don't seem to know anything about the food market at all. Monsanto labels nothing, because Monsanto sells nothing to the consumer. Monsanto is exercising USDA Certified Regulatory Control to make sure that nobody else labels, because, you see, that would be bad for business.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Monsanto is exercising USDA Certified Regulatory Control to make sure that nobody else labels

You say that, but no evidence supports your paranoid claim. In fact, sellers are free to label.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

So what's the problem with initiating force against companies who advertise honestly but remain silent on certain issues which you idiosyncratically value?

Life. Pretty much the first and most important thing that governments were instituted amongst men to protect.

And that somehow makes it good to use violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent. 'k

no government has a right to remain fascist.

As if that justifies your advocacy of violence against Monsanto employees for exercising their right to remain silent.

Who is committing violence against Monsanto for silence?

But I was only addressing your advocacy. Do you advocate sanctions against Monsanto employees who "fraudulently" offer food without labeling it "GMO"?

Advocacy is violence now?

No it is not, but you're clearly misreading even simple statements -- as if that justifies your advocacy of violence against GMO-sellers for exercising their right to remain silent.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You say that, but no evidence supports your paranoid claim. In fact, sellers are free to label.

"Stop complaining. You live in America. You're free enough." The influence of the FDA on the American market is not 'paranoia.' LMAO

For months now you have been demanding evidence of every minor claim, receiving it, and then proceeding to as though no evidence had ever been submitted. You have been demeaning and attacking with ad hominem everyone who has dared to disagree with you. You just make stuff up and try to incriminate people with it, and with every proven point against you, you reset back to zero and replay the whole argument from scratch. What do you believe that you are accomplishing here?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

For months now...

Now you're just lying, or totally delusional.

... you have been demanding evidence of every minor claim, receiving it, and then proceeding to as though no evidence had ever been submitted.

I've never done that. If I had, you could post a link to it.

You have been demeaning and attacking with ad hominem everyone who has dared to disagree with you. You just make stuff up and try to incriminate people with it, and with every proven point against you, you reset back to zero and replay the whole argument from scratch.

I haven't done that either. If I had, you could post a link to it. Why are you resorting to false attacks against my person? As if that excuses your advocacy of violence against GMO-sellers for exercising their right to remain silent.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Now you're just lying, or totally delusional.



I've never done that. If I had, you could post a link to it.

Sophistry! I've seen it with my own eyes. (and already pointed it out a quarter-dozen)

I haven't done that either. If I had, you could post a link to it. Why are you resorting to false attacks against my person? As if that excuses your advocacy of violence against GMO-sellers for exercising their right to remain silent.

The last time you called the mere existence of my advocacy 'violence.' What is it now, do I have 'that look' on my face officer?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Monsanto is exercising USDA Certified Regulatory Control to make sure that nobody else labels

You say that, but no evidence supports your paranoid claim. In fact, sellers are free to label.

"Stop complaining. You live in America. You're free enough." The influence of the FDA on the American market is not 'paranoia.' LMAO

Are you quoting voices in your head, or did anyone besides you type that quotation?

If you don't care to bring any reader to your position, by all means keep withholding evidence to support your apparently paranoid claims. You've already demonstrated that you're willing to make claims on this forum that you know are false: to begin with, here and here:

For months now...

Now you're just lying, or totally delusional.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Sophistry! I've seen it with my own eyes. (and already pointed it out a quarter-dozen)





The last time you called the mere existence of my advocacy 'violence.' What is it now, do I have 'that look' on my face officer?

'k

 

[Neil Desmond]

According to what authority?

Basically the state via the court system, or I suppose the arbitrator for an anarchist society (assuming such a thing would be feasible), that is taking action to address a case brought to it involving allegations, against an orange vender or provider, of a violation of the law or crime (e.g., false advertising, situation in which a victim ate the foul orange and fell ill or died) or breach of contract (e.g., false advertising). If that doesn't help explain it to you, then let me try this: the authority would be the same entity that would be the authority for dealing with whoever would come along and inject rat poison into one of your rat-poison-free oranges, for free, without telling you about it.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

Control the food supply, control the world. We aren't going to be running out of humans anytime soon but the quality of life for those humans is another matter...keeps the cancer clinics busy.

You DO know that without pharmaceutical companies most of the cancer drugs and research will be under government domain. Hell, 99.999999% of all medical research is done by government (NIH.) THe pharmaceutical companies should be libertarian heroes because they are doing something the NIH isn't doing. Creating new treatments DESPITE government regulations.

 

[Neil Desmond]

As long as it's done one penny at a time, what's the problem with increasing the income-tax rate?

Sorry, this still isn't making any sense to me. Why do you ask this without explaining what the connection is? Is this making sense to anyone else? If so, would you please step forward and explain this? I don't know what the heck is going on here.

The 1 cent that I'm talking about would be the extra amount added to every $10,000.00 of product to pay for the GMO label to charge the customers. The 1 cent charge is neither a tax nor something connected to the rate of income. I don't know what this one penny at a time thing is about; if it's $5,000, it's half a cent; if it's $20,000, it would be 2 cents; if it's $50,000, it would be 5 cents. Whatever it is, it's a 1 to 1,000,000 ratio.