The Key to Sidestepping the Trap: Charlie Kirk’s Death Exposed the Biggest Scam in History

[acptulsa]

Okay and how do you suppose that would play out?

Maybe like Ron Paul '08 and Ron Paul '12 did.

And maybe people will pour out into the street they way they are doing in England and Australia. If Americans reach that point, we have just enough more experience with liberty and just enough more on the ball to show them how it should be done.

We might lose if we try. We will lose if we don't try.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe like Ron Paul '08 and Ron Paul '12 did.

That didn't work out so well, from a pragmatic results perspective.

And maybe people will pour out into the street they way they are in England and Australia.

We'll see how that works out I suppose.

We might lose if we try. We will lose if we win.

I'm open to trying anything, I just don't think its wise to rely on forming alliances with people who clearly hate us and everything we stand for.

 

[CaptUSA]

To clarify, there is no actual contradiction here. Here's what he is saying is NOT the case:

[ 50% of US: GOOD] ... [ 50% of US: EVIL ]

Here's what he is saying IS the case:

[ 80+% of US citizens: GOOD (sane/law-abiding) ] ... [ up to 20% of US : RADICALS (partly insane) ] ... [ <1% of US: PURE EVIL ]

The 80% are good, in the civil sense. The 19-ish% are dangerous but potentially convertible into good citizens if they can be talked back from the ledge.

And there is absolutely no negotiating with the "covert elite", the Antifa-style 1% (or less). They are gone to the dark side. They hide themselves behind the illusion that 50% of your neighbors are psychopaths just like them. No matter which 50% (left or right) you fall into. That's how they divide the country, and rule it.

No, I get it. But, I'd wager that if you ask most people who think they're in a "50% good", they won't think they're talking about the "50% evil" - only the radicals on the other side that must be defeated. And that's where they spend most of their energy. Trying to make sure that the 30% on the other side don't fall into the radical trap. So, you kinda end up in the same place.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm open to trying anything, I just don't think its wise to rely on forming alliances with people who clearly hate us and everything we stand for.

So, they do that because they're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of their televisions cowering in fear of you. And you're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of your television avoiding them. And all because nobody points cameras at either you or them. Nobody gets on camera unless they're the 2% of the population who are batshit crazy.

Remember the two long decades when the only Christians who ever got on the news were Westboro Baptist Church? Are they representative of all Christianity? A lot of people grew up thinking they were.

Where is this getting us? Do you just want to be fitted for chains?

 

[acptulsa]

And that's where they spend most of their energy. Trying to make sure that the 30% on the other side don't fall into the radical trap. So, you kinda end up in the same place.

My tip is, if you criticize the other side, then they'll listen to you when you criticize their side. And when they can listen to that, the cult spell can be broken, and they can be helped to see that each if these cults is bad news in its own way.

Then we can build a bandwagon that'll go where we want to go. But we have to stop saying it can't be done, first. The fact is, both ends of the middle are getting just as disgusted with their own extremists as with the opposite extremists. All they need is what you need -- proper threat assessment, and a way forward.

And no, CloudFlare, I did not turn into a goddamned bot while I was typing this.

 

[TheTexan]

So, they do that because they're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of their televisions cowering in fear of you. And you're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of your television avoiding them. And all because nobody points cameras at either you or them. Nobody gets on camera unless they're the 2% of the population who are batshit crazy.

Most people are normal people who just want to live their lives and couldn't imagine raising a gun in the name of politics.

But there's enough crazies on both sides to make them a real threat.

And they're not ever gonna any less crazy.

Where is this getting us? Do you just want to be fitted for chains?

It's less about what I want, and more about what I can see coming down the road.

If it was simply a matter of what I want, we'd all manage to work together or otherwise peacefully separate into our own directions.

But that's clearly not what's coming down the road.

 

[otherone]

It's worse than that. Most gun-grabbers are lefties who know they have zero impulse control, and don't trust themselves with a gun because they know if they start carrying one, they'll have damned good reason to hate themselves in the morning. Problem is, whereas that group once realized that they had neighbors who could be trusted with them, now they're all brainwashed into thinking that's not true. Now they think government employees can be trusted with them.

THIS

 

[CaptUSA]

So, they do that because they're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of their televisions cowering in fear of you. And you're fearmongered into sitting at home in front of your television avoiding them. And all because nobody points cameras at either you or them. Nobody gets on camera unless they're the 2% of the population who are batshit crazy.

It's 2025. We have our own cameras. Charlie Kirk wasn't part of the 2%; he was rather moderate. But, he was talented. He set up a camera, honed his arguments, and gained an audience.

One of the pluses we still have is that the internet that allows ideas to flourish. This is NOT a foregone conclusion. And this tool mustn't be taken for granted.

Remember the two long decades when the only Christians who ever got on the news were Westboro Baptist Church? Are they representative of all Christianity? A lot of people grew up thinking they were.

Yep. Last century. We're getting better.

But it doesn't come free - this tool can also be used to divide. And if you try to use it to have rational conversations or unite people, they'll come after you like they did with Rogan. If that doesn't work, they'll come after you like they did with Charlie.

 

[acptulsa]

Most people are normal people who just want to live their lives and couldn't imagine raising a gun in the name of politics.

Most of the people of my father's generation were, too, but they won WWII anyway.

 

[acptulsa]

But it doesn't come free - this tool can also be used to divide. And if you try to use it to have rational conversations or unite people, they'll come after you like they did with Rogan. If that doesn't work, they'll come after you like they did with Charlie.

That's the bad news. The good news is, people are at long last starting to look upon the Quixotic label as a badge of honor.

 

[TheTexan]

Most of the people of my father's generation were, too, but they won WWII anyway.

That's not exactly something to be proud of, we had no business interfering with that shit

 

[acptulsa]

That's not exactly something to be proud of, we had no business interfering with that shit

Maybe. Maybe not. But it's proof that people can be roused to stand up and act, isn't it?

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe. Maybe not. But it's proof that people can be roused to stand up and act, isn't it?

Yea but that's kind of my point.

That people will be roused to stand up and act.

Against us...

 

[acptulsa]

Yea but that's kind of my point.

That people will be roused to stand up and act.

Against us...

Depends if Truth Will Out or not. Better to try than to go down without a fight.

 

[TheTexan]

Depends if Truth Will Out or not. Better to try than to go down without a fight.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, is what I say.

 

[acptulsa]

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, is what I say.

We won't get anywhere being that lazy. We have to prepare for both.

 

[TheTexan]

We won't get anywhere being that lazy. We have to prepare for both.

You can prepare for the exceedingly slim chance that the crazies on the left will somehow get less crazy

I will prepare for the far more likely scenario that they don't

 

[acptulsa]

You can prepare for the exceedingly slim chance that the crazies on the left will somehow get less crazy

I will prepare for the far more likely scenario that they don't

You're so brainwashed you think they're already all equally crazy. In truth, there are regular Democrat voters who don't cheer on assassins, get paid to go to protests and scream at people, or cut the dicks off little boys.

They exist. That's a fact. If you think they can't be reached, that's just proof you've never once tried

 

[TheTexan]

You're so brainwashed you think they're already all equally crazy. In truth, there are regular Democrat voters who don't cheer on assassins, get paid to go to protests and scream at people, or cut the dicks off little boys.

Equally crazy? I would never make such a claim.

Their craziness runs the full spectrum, surely.

They exist. That's a fact. If you think they can't be reached, that's just proof you've never once tried

I would never make the claim that there aren't some good people who identify as leftist.

Glenn Greenwald, for starters.

That doesn't change the fact that at some point we're going to be forced to pick a side.

 

[acptulsa]

That doesn't change the fact that at some point we're going to be forced to pick a side.

At some point we're going to make our own side, or we're going to lose.

Some people act like we're not having an effect, but because of Ron Paul they basically no longer have primaries. We change that, we make a third party work, or we lose.