The Jackboots Are Coming: Mass Arrests, Power Grabs and the Politics of Fear

[Anti Federalist]

If we don't try to reach out to those people with a new perspective on what the promised "freedom in America" means then yes, you are correct, that will not help the situation at all.

Considering how we can't even get the native population to embrace liberty, wouldn't it just be much more effective to tell the migrants to stay put, country is full, we have our own issues to sort out before we allow millions of you access?

 

[devil21]

Considering how we can't even get the native population to embrace liberty, wouldn't it just be much more effective to tell the migrants to stay put, country is full, we have our own issues to sort out before we allow millions of you access?

Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. Immigrants may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, and therefore are not in as deep as Americans are either.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. They may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, either.

That's wrong and the immigrant's voting habits prove it.

 

[devil21]

That's wrong and the immigrant's voting habits prove it.

As opposed to the voting habits of Americans? lol ok

 

[Anti Globalist]

Hasn't this already been going on for a long time already?

 

[Swordsmyth]

As opposed to the voting habits of Americans? lol ok

Yes, the immigrants vote much worse by wide margins.

 

[devil21]

Yes, the immigrants vote much worse by wide margins.

First, illegals can't vote. If talking about various legally present immigrants, we're back to the circular argument that you and I have undertaken many times already. One party courts their votes. The other party calls them names. Guess who they'll vote for? Maybe trying something different instead of calling them rapists and invaders is a good idea? The libertarian conservative message of individualism and hard work, family values and religious observation is much more in line with an immigrant's mindset than "free stuff" is.

Yeah yeah now tell me again about how Reagan's "big tent" outreach to hispanics 35 years ago failed, while also ignoring that the big tent approach actually gave Reagan one of the biggest landslide wins in presidential history.

 

[Swordsmyth]

First, illegals can't vote.

They do, they use stolen Identities just like they use to get work.

If talking about various legally present immigrants, we're back to the circular argument that you and I have undertaken many times already. One party courts their votes. The other party calls them names. Guess who they'll vote for? Maybe trying something different instead of calling them rapists and invaders is a good idea? The libertarian conservative message of individualism and hard work, family values and religious observation is much more in line with an immigrant's mindset than "free stuff" is.

That's nonsense, the immigrants voted for free stuff before anyone turned against them, that's why people turned against them and they come here for wealth both the kind they work for and the kind they vote for.

Yeah yeah now tell me again about how Reagan's "big tent" outreach to hispanics 35 years ago failed, while also ignoring that the big tent approach actually gave Reagan one of the biggest landslide wins in presidential history.

Did it result in smaller government?

His amnesty resulted in the loss of California and a massive increase in the invasion.

 

[TheTexan]

What civil liberties are you willing to surrender in the apprehension of 12 million people? Knock and drags? Detention centers? Checkpoints? House-to-house searches? Papers, please? Will we be racially profiling folks to look for or are we talking about people of Chinese... Indian... Irish... Polish... Italian... people-who-might-look-like-you descent as well? If the federal government makes a 1% rounding error and accidentally deports an American citizen, that's 120,000 Americans...

The people being deported would be mostly Mexicans, Asians, and Muslims.

Maybe like 2 white people would be deported, and they would be people like Günther who we would not miss .

 

[Danke]

[h=1]New York Law Gives Illegal Aliens the Ability to Vote After Obtaining Driver’s License[/h]

 

[devil21]

They do, they use stolen Identities just like they use to get work.

Mostly an old wive's tale and not enough to make a difference, compared to the voting habits of Americans.

That's nonsense, the immigrants voted for free stuff before anyone turned against them, that's why people turned against them and they come here for wealth both the kind they work for and the kind they vote for.

Speaking of media brainwashing.
You don't have any interactions with immigrants at all, do you? They are the hardest working people I've ever met and detest handouts! I imagine the only dark skin in Salt Lake City is an elder who stayed out in the sun too long. If you can't see how you, as a claimed liberty supporter and religious person, have much more in common with an immigrant than they have in common with a Democrat then you're blind or just shilling.

Did it result in smaller government?

His amnesty resulted in the loss of California and a massive increase in the invasion.

No it didn't, because Reagan wasn't actually a small government conservative. The big tent approach did work electorally though, right? This is the part where my point about how AMERICANS vote becomes important. It wasn't immigrants voting that leads to increasingly bigger government. It's AMERICANS voting between Obama and McCain or Obama and Romney, etc while expecting something different (that brainwashing I mentioned before) that end us up with bigger government. Bigger government is a handy side effect of the MONETARY system that requires ever more debt to survive, which has little to do with voting. As the saying goes, if voting mattered it would be illegal. My points aren't really about voting, per se, but are about finding shared ideologies, with voting results perhaps being a pleasant side effect. This is why it is obvious that all of the Presidential nominees are hand-picked by the bankers and nothing changes in any meaningful way unless the bankers want it to change.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mostly an old wive's tale and not enough to make a difference, compared to the voting habits of Americans.

Not an old wives' tale and enough to tip the balance.

Speaking of media brainwashing.
You don't have any interactions with immigrants at all, do you? They are the hardest working people I've ever met and detest handouts! I imagine the only dark skin in Salt Lake City is an elder who stayed out in the sun too long. If you can't see how you, as a claimed liberty supporter and religious person, have much more in common with an immigrant than they have in common with a Democrat then you're blind or just shilling.

I have had to do with immigrants and they do use and vote for welfare, you are blind or just shilling.

No it didn't, because Reagan wasn't actually a small government conservative. The big tent approach did work electorally though, right? This is the part where my point about how AMERICANS vote becomes important. It wasn't immigrants voting that leads to increasingly bigger government. It's AMERICANS voting between Obama and McCain or Obama and Romney, etc while expecting something different (that brainwashing I mentioned before) that end us up with bigger government. Bigger government is a handy side effect of the MONETARY system that requires ever more debt to survive, which has little to do with voting. As the saying goes, if voting mattered it would be illegal. My points aren't really about voting, per se, but are about finding shared ideologies, with voting results perhaps being a pleasant side effect. This is why it is obvious that all of the Presidential nominees are hand-picked by the bankers and nothing changes in any meaningful way unless the bankers want it to change.

Voting does make a difference and immigrants tip the balance in favor of big government, reaching out and embracing those who support big government isn't the path to liberty and importing millions of them to permanently alter our politics is even worse.

 

[devil21]

Not an old wives' tale and enough to tip the balance.




I have had to do with immigrants and they do use and vote for welfare, you are blind or just shilling.




Voting does make a difference and immigrants tip the balance in favor of big government, reaching out and embracing those who support big government isn't the path to liberty and importing millions of them to permanently alter our politics is even worse.

It's called "scapegoating". Look up the origin of that word.
Yes, I do not disagree that a mass influx of immigrants can LEAD to voting patterns that support bigger government (especially during economic downturns where a lot of people come on hard times and seek out safety nets, immigrants or not) but I summarily reject your assertion that reaching out to immigrants is a lost cause. It has no basis in reality and the failure to do so only ensures the outcome of what you claim you want to avoid.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's called "scapegoating". Look up the origin of that word.

I know all about it.
It isn't scapegoating.

Yes, I do not disagree that a mass influx of immigrants can LEAD to voting patterns that support bigger government (especially during economic downturns where a lot of people come on hard times and seek out safety nets, immigrants or not)

Good, then perhaps you can next agree that we should limit how many come here.

but I summarily reject your assertion that reaching out to immigrants is a lost cause. It has no basis in reality and the failure to do so only ensures the outcome of what you claim you want to avoid.

Reaching out to those few we allow isn't a problem but we mustn't embrace them until they embrace liberty.
Letting them in faster than we can educate the is the height of folly.

 

[PAF]

Perhaps Americans are more brainwashed than immigrant counterparts? It seems to me that is the case since Americans spend an inordinate amount of time reading and watching mind-control media outlets compared to others. Immigrants may be more accustomed to more overt police states (or maybe not, it's arguable) but they are not accustomed to the massive mind-control operations that Americans are, and therefore are not in as deep as Americans are either.

In my years of experience here in my state and in Ohio immigrants are much more open to the ideals of Ron Paul. It is the old ex-military fogies and old ladies with dyed red hair at the committee meetings who can’t stand the mention of Ron Paul’s name and keep telling me we do not live in the Wild Wild West anymore.

So, where is my time and money better spent? Listening to SS and AF, or bringing more people on board who align with liberty and why they came here to open up businesses rather than stay in their oppressed country?

 

[Swordsmyth]

In my years of experience here in my state and in Ohio immigrants are much more open to the ideals of Ron Paul. It is the old ex-military fogies and old ladies with dyed red hair at the committee meetings who can’t stand the mention of Ron Paul’s name and keep telling me we do not live in the Wild Wild West anymore.

So, where is my time and money better spent? Listening to SS and AF, or bringing more people on board who align with liberty and why they came here to open up businesses rather than stay in their oppressed country?

Your limited experience with exceptions doesn't change the facts, where massive numbers of immigrants go communism follows.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So, where is my time and money better spent? Listening to SS and AF, or bringing more people on board who align with liberty and why they came here to open up businesses rather than stay in their oppressed country?

Reasonable people can make up their own mind.

It is openly admitted that California is a test bed, the governor says so, the voting habits say so, the UniParty results say so...it is the result of a changed and displaced population.

Texas will follow within ten years.

 

[PAF]

Reasonable people can make up their own mind.

It is openly admitted that California is a test bed, the governor says so, the voting habits say so, the UniParty results say so...it is the result of a changed and displaced population.

Texas will follow within ten years.

Perhaps you are right. But put my entire statement into context here. Keeping those out who align with liberty while keeping those in who oppose it, it looks like this is what Americans truly want.

In my years of experience here in my state and in Ohio immigrants are much more open to the ideals of Ron Paul. It is the old ex-military fogies and old ladies with dyed red hair at the committee meetings who can’t stand the mention of Ron Paul’s name and keep telling me we do not live in the Wild Wild West anymore.

So, where is my time and money better spent? Listening to SS and AF, or bringing more people on board who align with liberty and why they came here to open up businesses rather than stay in their oppressed country?

 

[nikcers]

Perhaps you are right. But put my entire statement into context here. Keeping those out who align with liberty while keeping those in who oppose it, it looks like this is what Americans truly want.

What makes you think a bunch of people who gave support and ran from oppression in another country is going to fight against oppression in this country?

 

[PAF]

What makes you think a bunch of people who gave support and ran from oppression in another country is going to fight against oppression in this country?

I live by the border of two states (PA and Ohio) and also travel extensively. In my area there are many immigrants who have successful businesses, restaurants, landscaping, building contractors, hardware stores, etc. As devil21 stated above which I can personally attest to, these are the folks who work very hard, complain about and try to reduce taxes and initially came here believing in the myth of American freedom. Even their offspring work the businesses many of which are family run. Hispanic, Indian, Slovak, it is a very mixed area indeed.

I have lived in many cities across this country throughout the decades and still travel today. I just do not see what some here are shilling about. My kick in the ass is when I try to talk about freedom and liberty, and I stated this above: it is the old ex-military fogies and old ladies with dyed red hair at the committee meetings who can’t stand the mention of Ron Paul’s name and keep telling me we do not live in the Wild Wild West anymore. They are the ones who hail the likes of Romney, Kasich, Mike Kelly (R-PA-CD3) and others. Each time we have a liberty candidate that we want to run, the door is immediately slammed in our faces. If Tom Massie was running in my area, he would have zero chance of even being considered, they do not like him at all.

I have been involved in politics for a very long time, not just talking about it, but actually engaged in it. While some have personal experiences of their own, I also have mine.

Ex-Military fogies, Old Ladies with Dyed Red Hair, kids learning Fed.gov Common Core to hail the state, multi-generational American Section 8 shacking up with 4 guys to have 6 kids just to increase the monthly welfare check - THEY are who is destroying our country. NOT hard working immigrants who work the jobs Section 8 Americans do not want.