The Gold Standard?

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I hear a lot of talk about how Ron Paul would like to see the US go back to having a gold standard for our money and get rid of the Federal Reserve. But I don't find anything on his website talking about it anymore. I also note that he does not talk about getting rid of the Fed but only making it more transparent now.
He does not say to get rid of Federal Reserve notes but only to make it legal to own gold coins (which are legal to buy- the Government even sells them- and they are legal tender). I know that when we were on the gold standard before there were wild swings in the economy and inflation- including the Great Depression which is when we went off the gold standard. In June of 1920 we had deflation of over 15% and and a year later there was inflation of almost 24% as an example. With a gold standard. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/HistoricalInflation.aspx?dsInflation_currentPage=7

Has he changed his position on this? From his current website:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/Prosperity/
3. Monetary Policy Reform

Televise Federal Open Market Committee Meetings. An institution as powerful as the Federal Reserve deserves full public scrutiny.

Expand Transparency and Accountability at the Federal Reserve
Pass H.R. 2754 to require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate and its components.

Return Value to Our Money. Legalize gold and silver as a competing currency.
Level the long-term boom and bust business cycle by passing H.R. 4683, which would repeal provisions of the federal criminal code relating to issuing coins of gold, silver, or other metal for use as current money and making or possessing likenesses of such coins.
 
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He does not say to get rid of Federal Reserve notes but only to make it legal to own gold coins (which are legal to buy- the Government even sells them- and they are legal tender).

Yeah they are "legal tender" if you want to get $50 dollars worth of stuff for a coin that costs more than $900 to purchase! :)

He wants to legalize competing currencies, not "make it legal to own gold coins". You realize that you have to pay capital gains taxes on profits made off of owning gold and silver coins? When it should just be another form of currency?

And just on a side note, you realize it was illegal for americans to own gold bullion between the 1930s and 1970s?
 
Thank you for the link.

We had gold coins until 1933 and used silver ones until 1964, but from the graph on this page I notice that except for the 1970's, inflation has been much better since we quit using those metals for coins. http://www.gocurrency.com/articles/stories-inflation.htm so obviously a gold standard in and of itself does not reduce the risks of inflation. There is the cost of producing gold coins- even a penny is no longer made from copper because it costs more than a cent to make. I don't think Mr Paul intends to actually have physical gold coins. Unless you are talking say a half ounce $500 gold piece which is impractical. The largest paper note today is the $100 bill.

I think that the last 20 years or so low inflation has been the careful control of the money supply by Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan. Unfortunately his successor Ben Bernanke seems to be using more inflationary measures by pumping up the supply to try to ease the financial crunch of the subprime lending crisis.

A little more research shows that the US has gold reserves worth about $190 billion at $739 an ounce ($23 million a ton times 8133 tons according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_gold_reserves )- less than two years of expenses in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Could we really use this to back our currency? The countries that use the Euro have more gold than we do so the Euro would still be worth more than a dollar.

It adds that
the total value of all gold ever mined would be some US$3.4 trillion
or about one year of our current government spending. All the gold ever dug up in the world.
 
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Thank you for the link.

We had gold coins until 1933 and used silver ones until 1964, but from the graph on this page I notice that except for the 1970's, inflation has been much better since we quit using those metals for coins. http://www.gocurrency.com/articles/stories-inflation.htm so obviously a gold standard in and of itself does not reduce the risks of inflation. There is the cost of producing gold coins- even a penny is no longer made from copper because it costs more than a cent to make. I don't think Mr Paul intends to actually have physical gold coins. Unless you are talking say a half ounce $500 gold piece which is impractical. The largest paper note today is the $100 bill.

I think that the last 20 years or so low inflation has been the careful control of the money supply by Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan. Unfortunately his successor Ben Bernanke seems to be using more inflationary measures by pumping up the supply to try to ease the financial crunch of the subprime lending crisis.

A little more research shows that the US has gold reserves worth about $190 billion at $739 an ounce ($23 million a ton times 8133 tons according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_gold_reserves )- less than two years of expenses in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Could we really use this to back our currency? The countries that use the Euro have more gold than we do so the Euro would still be worth more than a dollar.

It adds that or about one year of our current government spending. All the gold ever dug up in the world.

Put it simply:
Printing money out of thin air creates inflation.
The federal reserve was printing money out of thin air even on the "gold standard" we had from 1913-1933.

Money is just a medium for the exchange of goods and services it wouldn't matter if we had one ounce of gold in the world as long as we had a way to limit it and use it (and people also have to trust it).
 
So we don't need to go back to the gold standard. We just need someone more like Greenspan at the helm of the Fed to control the supply of money. The libertarian economist Milton Friedman has said money could be anything.
http://www.friesian.com/money.htm
As Milton Friedman says in Money Mischief [HBJ, 1992], anything can be money: stones, iron, gold, tobacco, silver, shells, cigarettes, copper, paper, nickel, etc. What makes these things money is not what they are, but what they are used for. They may have value in themselves, like gold ("commodity" money), or they may not ("credit" money, which means banknotes, bank deposits, tokens, markers, etc.); but their value as money is separate from their intrinsic value. What gives money value as such is that it is, or can be, used for exchange, replacing the original human system of trade, which was barter. The value of money is thus the value people attribute to what they want to exchange, no more, no less. As a medium of exchange, all money is in effect "credit" money: credit on an incomplete barter, like an IOU. An IOU can also be anything, as long as it is recognized as a contractual obligation on an incomplete exchange. Commodity money was originally the most natural money, but the value of money is not always the same as its value as a commodity. The intrinsic value of commodity money and its value as money can actually interfere with each other.[2] As a medium of exchange, money also establishes a standard of value (e.g. items A and B may both be worth $5, ÂŁ5, ÂĄ5, etc.), and as money is held in between exchanges, money becomes a store of value.

He also says that paper money can be more beneficial to society http://www.fff.org/freedom/0399b.asp
Milton Friedman, as we have seen, had advocated a fiat or paper money standard guided by a monetary rule of an annual expansion of the money supply at a fixed rate because he believed that it was less costly than a gold standard, less open to inflationary excess, and more likely to provide the monetary framework for general economic stability.

and although he does caution that it requires that governments do not meddle too much with the money supply (which is why the Fed is an independent body) and keep it at a fairly constant rate to reduce future uncertainties about it which lead to more hording of money and less economic activity than would otherwise be found. This is the path Greenspan has followed and inflation has remained fairly low and has not moved much- once he wrung out the inflation that was in place when he took over the position during the presidency of Ronald Reagan.

His comments about a possible return to the gold standard:
"Let me emphasize that this note is not a plea for a return to a gold standard.... I regard a return to a gold standard as neither desirable nor feasible — with the one exception that it might become feasible if the doomsday predictions of hyperinflation under our present system should prove correct."

Why wouldn't a market-based gold standard be feasible or desirable under present circumstances? Friedman explained his reasoning in an April 1976 lecture entitled "Has Gold Lost Its Monetary Role?" that was delivered in Johannesburg, South Africa. Simply put, governments are no longer willing to be restrained by a gold standard. They want control over money for various macroeconomic manipulative purposes. However, Friedman said that

"if you could re-establish a world in which government's budget accounted for 10 percent of the national income, in which laissez-faire reigned, in which governments did not interfere with economic activities and in which full employment policies had been relegated to the dustbin, in such a world you might be able to restore a real gold standardĹ . A real honest-to-God gold standard is not feasible because there is essentially no government in the world that is willing to surrender control over its domestic monetary policy."


Friedman is the economist most often cited by Libertarians.
 
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Hehe...I used to be hung up on this too, so I'll spend some time explaining the conclusions I came to. Like any other commodity, the value of gold is determined exclusively by supply and demand. Since we're not using gold as a currency today, there's only a moderate demand for it. In an economy based on fiat money, hunks of gold are useful for only a few things - jewelry, USB connectors, looking pretty, a relatively stable investment to protect against inflation, etc. Since gold in today's economy has no special status and it's treated like any other commodity, supply and demand therefore dictates that all the gold in the world is worth only $3.4 trillion right now.

However...
If we were exclusively on a gold standard and we actually used it as our currency, the reserve currency status of gold would drive demand for it wayyyyy up, making it much more valuable than it is now (some other poster once gave a figure in the ballpark of $111,000 an ounce in today's terms - I have no idea how valid that is, but it wouldn't surprise me). Similarly, under our Federal Reserve fiat currency system, our $1 bills are worth $1 (in today's terms, that is - they may be worth 4 cents in yesterday's terms :rolleyes:), but under a gold standard, the demand for those notes would drop to nearly zero, making them worth less than the paper they're printed on (unless we decided to use the same notes, except backed by gold...). In other words, no matter what you're using as your single reserve currency, and no matter how much or little of it you have*, the invisible hand of the market will force prices for goods and services to seek an equilibrium with the total volume of currency in circulation.

Now, what Ron Paul really advocates is not a single reserve currency but freely competing currencies (which probably requires the IRS to be abolished as a prerequisite, since it'd be hard to track :p). In such a system, people can essentially use whatever they want as money, but the market will tend towards commodities that have the following two-and-a-half important qualities (there are probably others, too):
  • It must be physically/chemically stable. Nobody wants their money spontaneously disintegrating, whether it be in their pockets or in a vault somewhere.
  • It must be rare, and it must have a relatively constant or slow-growing finite supply. You don't want your currency to be common dirt, because inflation would go through the roof as people "discover" new money in their backyard. Also, the sheer amount would make it not only impossible to carry around but even impossible to store in a vault!
  • Here's the halfway important quality: It's probably a good idea if the commodity is not really all that useful in the industrial sense: The high demand for the currency would make it impractical to use for most industrial purposes, and that would be a loss to the economy if suitable industrial replacements aren't found (or worse, if the currency was still used widely for such an industrial application, there would be a lot of deflationary pressure). If we were solely on a strict gold standard for instance, gold jewelry, dental fillings, conductors, etc. would all go through the friggin roof in price due to the demand for gold being about two orders of magnitude higher than it is today. This wouldn't be a huge deal...people would have to use other substances for conductors and dental fillings, and people would probably have to give up their sentimental attachment for gold jewelry and buy other types (unless they're obscenely rich), but in the grand scheme of things, these are small sacrifices to make for sound money.
Precious metals exhibit these qualities to a much greater degree than any other commodities (i.e. bags of grain). This is why precious metals such as gold and sterling silver have historically been chosen for currencies: They're simply the most practical and stable.

As I mentioned before, under a single, state-sponsored reserve currency like a gold standard, the prices of goods in services will seek equilibrium with the value of the total amount of currency in circulation. Under competing currencies (whether the currencies are state-sponsored or privately-issued), the prices of goods and services will also seek equilibrium with the total amount of currency in circulation, but they'll be balanced between the currencies depending on factors such as the market's confidence in each particular currency (supply and demand for each individual currency). The advantage of competing currencies is that the market gets to choose which currency it wants: That way, if inflation goes to hell like it is with our dollar (i.e. massive gold deposits are found in China), people can jump ship and use something more stable.

While I'm sure you already know this, I just wanted to make it explicit: Regardless of whether commodity-backed currencies are privately-issued or state-issued, nobody's actually talking about walking around with hunks of metal in their pockets - we'd still be using paper currency, credit-based transactions, etc.

There are some disadvantages and advantages of commodity currency under and over fiat currency.
Disadvantages:
  • As I mentioned before, even precious metals have some industrial or cultural uses, so we'd have to make some small sacrifices (i.e. if went on a gold standard, we'd have to accept that gold jewelry will become quite rare and obscenely expensive).
  • Technically speaking, whenever you're dealing in money based on real, physical commodities with a nontrivial intrinsic value, there's always a risk that they could be physically destroyed. Let's say someone nukes the vault your sterling is held in: Unless it's insured (or government-run and the government electronically redistributes all of the wealth to give people the same proportion of currency that they had before the attack), you just lost tons of money. As a side note, unless the event disrupts the entire economy, prices will probably go down to accomodate the new supply of sterling - unless that currency is issued only by the company or government owning the vault and the attack causes people to lose faith in that company's (or government's) security measures - then, demand will go way down, prices will go way up, and people will opt for a different competing currency.
  • Under a true, disciplined gold (or platinum, or whatever) standard or under freely competing currencies, no unelected (or elected) body of elites can arbitrarily manipulate the supply of the currency. This is only a disadvantage if you're beholden to the Keynesian or monetarist schools of economics, which believe that disciplined, well-informed manipulations can prevent recessions for all eternity without any negative consequences (:rolleyes:).
Advantage:
  • Under a true, disciplined gold (or platinum, or whatever) standard or under freely competing currencies, no unelected (or elected) body of elites can arbitrarily manipulate the supply of the currency. This would prevent our crazy boom/bust cycle, and it would also prevent runaway inflation and the inflation tax that destroys everyone not in bed with the government.

In my opinion, the advantage of commodity-based currency greatly outweighs the disadvantages, and here's why:
Although I haven't really studied Austrian economics, my gut instinct (and the failures of Keynesian economics) tells me Ron Paul picked the right school. ;) More importantly, even if I'm wrong and the Keynesian or monetarist schools are theoretically correct, the Fed's behavior over the last century has shown us that human weakness will prevent Keynesian and monetarist economics from ever being judiciously implemented in practice. Instead of only creating bubbles and printing money when new Keynesian economics says to (and also restricting it when new Keynesian economics says to), the Fed has shown us that it will also print money simply to subsidize Congress's rampant spending problem, and Congress uses that as a blank check to spend even more! The resulting inflation absolutely destroys the savings of anyone who isn't a banker or on the receiving end of Congress's spending (either now or later - regardless of how much issued credit or printed money is not currently in domestic circulation, it all will come back to bite us eventually). While "properly managed" fiat money may theoretically be the perfect currency, and it's the most compatible with interventionist and noninterventionist economic schools alike, history has shown us that we cannot ever trust it to be properly managed in practice. In my opinion, the seemingly inevitable inflation and wealth transfer under fiat money is far worse than the vague threat of physical currency destruction (which can be insured against) under specie money.

*as long as the total volume of currency is divided into a sane number of pieces - you wouldn't want to use a single "magical rainbow piece of paper" as currency, where everyone in the world has to wait their turn to use it, and where people have to offer literally anything to get it back :p



EDIT: Hehe...Zippyjuan's quote about Friedman is actually quite funny to me:
Why wouldn't a market-based gold standard be feasible or desirable under present circumstances? Friedman explained his reasoning in an April 1976 lecture entitled "Has Gold Lost Its Monetary Role?" that was delivered in Johannesburg, South Africa. Simply put, governments are no longer willing to be restrained by a gold standard. They want control over money for various macroeconomic manipulative purposes. However, Friedman said that

"if you could re-establish a world in which government's budget accounted for 10 percent of the national income, in which laissez-faire reigned, in which governments did not interfere with economic activities and in which full employment policies had been relegated to the dustbin, in such a world you might be able to restore a real gold standardĹ . A real honest-to-God gold standard is not feasible because there is essentially no government in the world that is willing to surrender control over its domestic monetary policy."
The irony of this is that the reluctance of governments to give up their manipulative abilities (which they abuse the hell out of) is precisely why commodity money is not only feasible but necessary! :p Friedman was definitely a smart guy, but I think he sometimes forgot that we the people do not give a flying shit about what powers our governments wish to keep for themselves. ;) Our government is not meant to be our master, nor should it act like a spoiled child needing to be appeased. Our government is meant to be a servant to the people, and it is supposed to bow to the people's will without any selfish ambitions of its own. It's an outrage that we've let our government get so out of control that we actually have to listen to what IT wants...

BTW, more in response to the original post: From what I've gathered, the gold standard itself was not the cause for the Great Depression. Rather, the Federal Reserve's abuse of the gold standard was the cause: Every note was supposed to be redeemable for its face value's worth in gold, so the dollar was therefore tied to gold, but the Fed's fractional reserve banking system created loads of unbacked credit. This greatly contributed to the booming economy of the roaring 20's, but it came back to bite us in the ass when the resulting credit crunch hit. I saw a thread on these forums just a few days ago with a really telling graph...I can't find it now, but it showed that the value of gold (inflation and deflation) gently fluctuated throughout the 19th century (except for a spike during the Civil War), then as soon as the Fed was created, it started making much more wild swings.
 
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anymore. I also note that he does not talk about getting rid of the Fed but only making it more transparent now.

Well, what he is actually talking about is allowing competition in the currency market. If Federal Reserve Notes are so great, then repeal the legal tender laws let them compete in a fair market place. Let those who want to use Federal Reserve Notes do so, and let those who want to use something else do so.

But the gold standard was the money system intended by the original intent of the Constitution:

"The only substances ever declared as money within the U.S. were gold and silver, in coin form, with copper/nickel serving in token capacity only. See: 12 USCA 152 re. "lawful money" and Coinage Act of April 2, 1792, at Sections 11, 16, & 20; re. copper/nickel tokens, see Sec. 9, and 31 USCA 460."

Original U.S. Constitution

Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 5
[Congress shall have Power ...] To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, ...;
Art. I Sec. 10 Cl. 1
[No State shall ...] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; ...

Note that there is no such prohibition against Congress, or any delegated power to make anything legal tender. This is primarily because Congress was originally understood to have no power to make anything legal tender outside of federal territories, under Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 17 and Art. IV Sec. 3 Cl. 2, but in 1868 a Supreme Court packed by Pres. Ulysses S. Grant, in the Legal Tender Cases, allowed Congress to make paper currency issued by the U.S. Treasury, backed by gold, legal tender on state territory, a precedent that remains controversial to this day, when courts allow paper currency not backed by anything to be considered "legal tender".

http://www.constitution.org/cs_money.htm

For all the details of Grant's court packing scheme and their unconstitutional ruling see here - this is a MUST READ.

More info:

"The founding fathers were concerned about the unrestrained control of the money supply. One thing they all agreed upon was the limitation on the issuance of money,

Thomas Jefferson warned of the damage that would be caused if the people assigned control of the money supply to the banking sector, "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. This issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of the moneyed corporations which already dare to challenge our Government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country" Thomas Jefferson, 1791

Many of the founding fathers experienced the damage caused by fiat currency. Most of the revolutionary war was financed by worthless currency called "Continentals".

# The Continental Currency ("Not worth a Continental") that American colonists issued for the Continental Congress to finance the Revolutionary War was replaced by the US Dollar in 1785 when The Continental Congress adopted the dollar as the unit for national currency. At that time, private bank-note companies printed a variety of notes. After adoption of the Constitution in 1789, Congress chartered the First Bank of the United States and authorized it to issue paper bank notes to eliminate confusion and simplify trade. The U.S. Constitution (Section 10) forbids any state from making anything but gold or silver a legal tender. The Federal Monetary System was established in 1792 with the creation of the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia. The first American coins were struck in 1793. The U.S. Coinage Act of 1792, consistent with the Constitution, provided for a U.S. Mint, which stamped silver and gold coins. The importance of this Act cannot be stressed enough. One dollar was defined by statute as a specific weight of gold.

# The Act also invoked the death penalty for anyone found to be debasing money.

# President George Washington mentions the importance of the national currency backed by gold and silver throughout his initial term of office and he contributed his own silver for the initial coins minted.


# The purchase of The US Mint in Philadelphia, was the first money appropriated by Congress for a building to be used for a public purpose. It was purchased for a total of $4,266.67 on July 18, 1792.

Link


Here's the Coinage Act so everyone can read the truth for themselves:


"SEC. 19. And be it further enacted, That if any of the gold or silver coins which shall be struck or coined at the said mint shall be debased or made worse as to the proportion of fine gold or fine silver therein contained, or shall be of less weight or value than the same ought to be pursuant to the directions of this act, through the default or with the connivance of any of the officers or persons who shall be employed at the said mint, for the purpose of profit or gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent, and if any of the said officers or persons shall embezzle any of the metals which shall at any time be committed to their charge for the purpose of being coined, or any of the coins which shall be struck or coined at the said mint, every such officer or person who shall commit any or either of the said offences, shall be deemed guilty of felony, and shall suffer death."
 
We were not on the gold standard since 1913. Since then we were on some form of a gold exchange standard, until 1971.

In reality, we originally were not on the gold standard. The dollar is legally defined as a certain unit mass of silver, which existed before the constitution was written, and was measured and recorded in 1792 as the currency the US would coin. A unit mass of gold was defined as being an Eagle.

The US government does not have the power to make paper money. All they have the power to do is make coins.
 
This coin dealer Andy Gause publishes a quarterly newsletter that discusses an alternative plan to extract ourselves from the mess we're in:

http://www.usgoldcoins.com/newsletter/2007/The_Cure_Is_Worse.html

That one article is just part of a series of articles, but the basic idea is to have Congress issue United States Notes (as it has in the past) and use them to buy off our debt from the Fed., at least we'll be rid of the interest payments.
 
What is money?

"The History of Money" is a good short book.

-Over 90% of today's currency is electronic.
-counterfitting drives down the value of a dollar.
-Being easy to counterfit drives the value down faster.

Considering the above, then how much effort is required to go from say,
$100,000,000,000
to
$1,000,000,000,000

One key stroke...oops. Somebody come and account that. What you can't get it done by 5 o'clock. What? Are you getting paid by the hour?

How are we getting this Gold, strip mining? What would stop government from recalling it all like they did in the 30's? When was the last time the Nation's gold was accounted for?
 
BTW, more in response to the original post: From what I've gathered, the gold standard itself was not the cause for the Great Depression. Rather, the Federal Reserve's abuse of the gold standard was the cause: Every note was supposed to be redeemable for its face value's worth in gold, so the dollar was therefore tied to gold, but the Fed's fractional reserve banking system created loads of unbacked credit. This greatly contributed to the booming economy of the roaring 20's, but it came back to bite us in the ass when the resulting credit crunch hit. I saw a thread on these forums just a few days ago with a really telling graph...I can't find it now, but it showed that the value of gold (inflation and deflation) gently fluctuated throughout the 19th century (except for a spike during the Civil War), then as soon as the Fed was created, it started making much more wild swings.
Sorry if I was misunderstood. My intent was to say that the Great Depression happened even though we had the gold standard in place- which some now say is a way to esure stability of our money- not because of it. The Great Depression was world wide and most major countries subscribed to the gold standard at the time. Those who ended their participation in the standard sooner came out of the depression earlier. What the gold standard seems to have contributed is that it limited the ability of financial markets and the government's ability to respond to the crisis by being unable to get enough currency into the banks (which had no reserve requirement at the time) to stem the run on them when confidence in banking collapsed.

The Federal Reserve came into being to regulate both the banks and the money supply in the wake of the depression in 1933. Inflation varried considerably more prior to the introduction of the Fed. I am looking for my graph that shows that. Here is one. The only real blips since 1933 are the second World War and the energy crisis of the 1970's. You can see the trend of the oscilations in the chart getting smaller over time. That is not to say that we could not see a return to high inflation. That depends on a lot of things including what the Fed does.

Prior to 1933- under a gold standard. After 1933, paper currency controlled by the Federal Reserve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Historical_Inflation.svg
 
The irony of this is that the reluctance of governments to give up their manipulative abilities (which they abuse the hell out of) is precisely why commodity money is not only feasible but necessary! :p Friedman was definitely a smart guy, but I think he sometimes forgot that we the people do not give a flying shit about what powers our governments wish to keep for themselves. ;) Our government is not meant to be our master, nor should it act like a spoiled child needing to be appeased. Our government is meant to be a servant to the people, and it is supposed to bow to the people's will without any selfish ambitions of its own. It's an outrage that we've let our government get so out of control that we actually have to listen to what IT wants...

We lost control of our government because collectively as Americans we have been too busy controlling or trying to control others: ethno-racial minorities in our midst and other peoples and countries across the planet. We call ourselves a Republic but act like an Empire.

Our first task is retake control of our government from the Rothschild-led City of London and Rockefeller-led Wall Street financial and banking anti-human oligarchy.

Another problem with discussions of the gold standard is that there is no solution to our present physical-economic problems by simply changing our monetary system. What we need is government-issued credit for necessary physical infrastructure and for human-oriented services such as education, hospitals, etc.

No private group is capable of directing the reconstruction of our decaying infrastructure and of our destroyed national industrial capacity. That is why governments are instituted. We need a new government. And that means rallying the people around an understanding that the ruling oligarchy must be removed from power.

That is why I support Ron Paul despite my misgivings about his libertarian solutions which never discuss the transitional processes necessary to take us from our current debased physical and cultural condition forward to the libertarian ideal. It will take a minimum of two generations to do so.

Yes, our first task is to re-take our government. Ron Paul's presidential candidacy is leading the way and the campaign is educating millions of Americans and helping to create the conditions for a future and glorious victory.
 
The Federal Reserve came into being to regulate both the banks and the money supply in the wake of the depression in 1933. Inflation varried considerably more prior to the introduction of the Fed. I am looking for my graph that shows that. Here is one. The only real blips since 1933 are the second World War and the energy crisis of the 1970's. You can see the trend of the oscilations in the chart getting smaller over time. That is not to say that we could not see a return to high inflation. That depends on a lot of things including what the Fed does.

Inflation has exploded since 1971, the year Nixon took the US wholly off the gold standard:

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"In the 34 years before Nixon closed the gold window, the money supply in the U.S. grew less than two fold. In the 34 years after Nixon’s action, the money supply expanded 13 fold."

BTW, I don't support a gold standard, I support Paul's proposal of allowing competing currencies.
 
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The Federal Reserve came into being to regulate both the banks and the money supply in the wake of the depression in 1933.

The Federal Reserve came into being in 1913 - several years prior to the Great Depression. Note that the wording on the federal reserve notes dropped the statement that they were redeemable in "gold" and were only redeemable in "lawful money" in 1929... Lawful money means whatever the government wants it to mean under the legal tender laws.

The gold backing was gradually diminished over the years. But that was in relation to the reserves each bank had to hold. But the Fed hasn't had to redeem any money in gold to the citizenry for a very long time.
 
Thank you for the correction on when the Federal Reserve came into being. That was indeed 1913. I got confused on that point. Must have been the three at the end of the year.

[Inflation has exploded since 1971, the year Nixon took the US wholly off the gold standard:
Since about 1980, the inflation rate has been below 5% which is not really exploding. In fact, except for a time during the 1970's, it has been that low since about the 1950's- as your graph shows. During the 1920's it went from an inflation rate of almost 22% in June of 1920 to a deflation rate of nearly 16% exactly one year later. That is an explosion. We have not seen such a high inflation rate since leaving the gold standard. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/HistoricalInflation.aspx?dsInflation_currentPage=7 At the end of WWII, it peaked at about 19% in March 1947. The next high peak comes at 14% in June 1980. It has rarely budged above five percent since. Changes in the buying power of the dollar have been much smaller after the end of the gold standard. Inflation is not gone, but it is considerably more moderate and less variable.

Some of the drawbacks of a gold standard: http://economics.about.com/cs/money/a/gold_standard_2.htm
The stability caused by the gold standard is also the biggest drawback in having one. Exchange rates are not allowed to respond to changing circumstances in countries. A gold standard severely limits the stabilization policies the Federal Reserve can use. Because of these factors, countries with gold standards tend to have severe economic shocks. Economist Michael D. Bordo explains:

"Because economies under the gold standard were so vulnerable to real and monetary shocks, prices were highly unstable in the short run. A measure of short-term price instability is the coefficient of variation, which is the ratio of the standard deviation of annual percentage changes in the price level to the average annual percentage change. The higher the coefficient of variation, the greater the short-term instability. For the United States between 1879 and 1913, the coefficient was 17.0, which is quite high. Between 1946 and 1990 it was only 0.8.

Moreover, because the gold standard gives government very little discretion to use monetary policy, economies on the gold standard are less able to avoid or offset either monetary or real shocks. Real output, therefore, is more variable under the gold standard. The coefficient of variation for real output was 3.5 between 1879 and 1913, and only 1.5 between 1946 and 1990. Not coincidentally, since the government could not have discretion over monetary policy, unemployment was higher during the gold standard. It averaged 6.8 percent in the United States between 1879 and 1913 versus 5.6 percent between 1946 and 1990."
 
Inflation is not gone, but it is considerably more moderate and less variable.

This doesn't change the fact that inflation is purely a monetary phenomenon, as Milton Friedman proved. The Federal Reserve now agrees with his conclusions:

"... a world monetary system has emerged that has no historical precedent: a system in which every major currency in the world is, directly or indirectly, on an irredeemable paper money standard . . . It is worth stressing how little precedent there is for the present situation. Throughout recorded history . . . commodity money has been the rule. So long as money was predominantly coin or bullion, very rapid inflation was not physically feasible . . . The existence of a commodity standard widely supported by the public served as a check on inflation .. . The key challenge that now faces us in reforming our monetary and fiscal institutions is to find a substitute for convertibility into specie that will serve the same function: maintaining pressure on the government to refrain from its resort to inflation as a source of revenue. To put it another way, we must find a nominal anchor for the price level to replace the physical limit on a monetary commodity." - Milton Friedman, "Monetary Policy in a Fiat World"

The reason we've been able to avoid hyperinflation so far is because the income tax is used as a buffer against the fiat currency. If you repealed the income tax tomorrow and allowed the government to print money at the same leves they do today, you would see runaway hyperinflation similar to what happened in Germany in the 1920's.

The Federal Reserve even admits Friedman's conclusions are correct:

"The "Great Inflation" of the 1970's challenged and permanently altered economic theory. It vindicated the once-controversial analysis of Milton Friedman, then at the University of Chicago.

"Friedman's monetary framework has been so influential that in its broad outlines at least, it has nearly become identical with modern monetary theory," said the Federal Reserve governor Ben S. Bernanke, at a recent conference at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. (The full text of his speech is available at http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2003/20031024/default.htm.)

Mr. Bernanke is not a former Friedman student. He did his graduate work at M.I.T. Someone reading Milton Friedman's monetary economics today is likely to miss its significance, Mr. Bernanke noted, much as an apocryphal student called Shakespeare's plays "just a string of quotations."

"His thinking has so permeated modern macroeconomics that the worst pitfall in reading him today is to fail to appreciate the originality and even revolutionary character of his ideas, in relation to the dominant views at the time that he formulated them," he said.

Against the conventional wisdom, Mr. Friedman argued that "inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon." Inflation had nothing to do with aggressive unions, greedy businesses or even oil cartels -- the bad guys who took the blame in the confusing 1970's. Prices shot up everywhere because the federal government made the supply of money grow faster than the real economy created value. Based on the historical record, he argued, the effects of monetary policy were fairly predictable.

In a 1970 lecture, "The Counterrevolution in Monetary Theory," Mr. Friedman outlined 11 propositions about how monetary policy affects the economy. All were wildly controversial, almost disreputable, at the time. Most are accepted today."

Because economies under the gold standard were so vulnerable to real and monetary shocks, prices were highly unstable in the short run.

But the biggest monetary shocks are only going to happen with central banking and fiat currency, as described here. The gold standard isn't perfect, but the most devastating economic crashes occurred under central banks and fiat currency - Pre-Nazi Germany, Pre-Napoleon France, and the current Fed chairman admits that the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression.
 
The world has never seen any extended period of zero inflation. No matter how they chose to define their money. Even a barter system can be subject to inflation. Man has not come up with anything to prevent it. In our history, the last 20 years have had the lowest and most stable inflation we have seen in our economy. It all depends on how well you manage your supply of money. I think Greenspan did a good job but so far I am more concerned about Bernanke's handling of it. It is true that it does depend on who runs the Fed and what policies they chose to persue.

Inflation can also occur with commodity money as it did in France.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=bd349c113499c0e68e7f98e1ee74679b
Abstract
This paper presents a theory of inflation in commodity money and supports it by evidence from inflationary episodes in France during the 14th and 15th centuries. The paper shows that commodity money can be inflated similarly to fiat money through repeated debasements, which act like devaluations. Furthermore, as with fiat money, demand for commodity money falls with inflation. However, at high rates of inflation demand for commodity money becomes insensitive to inflation, since commodity money has intrinsic value in addition to its transactions value. Finally, we show that anticipated stabilization reduces demand for commodity money.

Like any source of money, it too is only as good as the people managing it. And your quote from Mr. Friedman concedes that prices were highly unstable under the gold standard. They are less unstable today- although that is no guarantee of future price stability.

From the speach you link to:
On the issue of inflation control, Friedman may be judged to have been a bit too pessimistic; his concerns that central banks would have neither the technical ability nor the correct incentives to control inflation led him to recommend his money-growth rule, for which a central bank could certainly be held accountable. Evidently, however, determined central banks can stabilize inflation directly, at least they have been able to do so thus far.

However, on the benefits of monetary stability, or as I would prefer to say, nominal stability, Friedman was not wrong. Many theories popular even today might lead one to conclude that increased stability in inflation could be purchased only at the cost of reduced stability in output and employment. In fact, over the past two decades, increased inflation stability has been associated with marked increases in the stability of output and employment as well, both in the United States and elsewhere.

It has been argued that a lower incidence of exogenous shocks explains these favorable developments, and that may be part of the story. But I believe that there is an important causal relationship as well. For example, low and stable inflation has not only promoted growth and productivity, but it has also reduced the sensitivity of the economy to shocks. One important mechanism has been the anchoring of inflation expectations. When the public is confident that the central bank will maintain low and stable inflation, shocks such as sharp increases in oil prices or large exchange rate movements tend to have at most transitory price-level effects and do not result in sustained inflationary surges. In contrast, when inflation expectations are poorly anchored, as was the case in the 1970s, shocks of these types can destabilize inflation expectations, increasing the inflationary impact and leading to greater volatility in both inflation and output.
 
Zippyjuan, all the economic problems in any country, empire, village in the history of mankind has been caused by inflation. The roman empire inflated their currency by diluting gold coins, clipping them, and eventually having bronze represent gold that didn't exist. If we were on a true gold-coin standard there would virtually be no problems, it will all self correct and will be confined to certain markets and won't affect every market as a whole. The Fed see's a recession starting so they print more money to stop it...then it starts happening again, then they print more money to stop it...the bubble gets bigger and bigger as they print more and more money until eventually it POPS and the value of the dollar drops dramatically and prices sky rocket, the middle class instantly becomes poor, and all the people that got to spend the money first are even more rich than they were before.

The reason we had the great depression was because prior to that we had the "booming 20's" because the Fed created more money and started a bubble. With all that money everything was good, people bought things, had cheap credit, everything was good, GDP growth, employment was ok, productivity was up, retail sales were up, the stock market was stable...etc (sounds like now doesn't it?). Then the bubble burst, and we had the great depression. We are in a much much bigger bubble than they were before the great depression. If this bubble crashes the entire world will be in a depression.
 
The Gold Standard and central banks are incompatible.

If there is a central bank it is not a true gold standard.
 
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