The Gold Standard

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This may have been repeatedly done over and over.

Trust that I'm not a troll. And would like to see Dr Paul become the next president.

But how in the fuck would going back to the gold standard in a globalized economy be a good thing?
 
How the fuck was Switzerland, the only western industrialized on a gold standard, until the year 2000?
 
do you understand any techincal economics... its more complicated then you think but there is a practical and reasonable transisition..

ALLOW gold and silver to compete with the dollar!


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If you can tell me a way to make value appear out of nothing, I will agree that a physical limitation on the amount of currency is old fashioned.

We haven't advanced so far as a society that little slips of paper with fancy writing are worth anything more than what people think they are worth. As Voltaire said, All paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value.
 
do you understand any techincal economics... its more complicated then you think but there is a practical and reasonable transisition..

ALLOW gold and silver to compete with the dollar!


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No, I don't understand it at all, that's why I'm asking.
 
How the fuck was Switzerland, the only western industrialized on a gold standard, until the year 2000?

I don't know, but we do now know (based on the fact that you said so) that they're not anymore. Apparently the goods and services supply and demand works, because everyone else is doing it.
 
If you can tell me a way to make value appear out of nothing, I will agree that a physical limitation on the amount of currency is old fashioned.

We haven't advanced so far as a society that little slips of paper with fancy writing are worth anything more than what people think they are worth. As Voltaire said, All paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value.

is the value placed on the goods and services we export and trade?
 
Repeat after me: Competing Currencies (by bonds backed by Gold or Silver not FRN's)

Not sure why the foul language was needed in this thread?
 
Repeat after me: Competing Currencies (by bonds backed by Gold or Silver not FRN's)

Not sure why the foul language was needed in this thread?

why repeat it? What's a FRN?
Sorry if you got offended by any foul language, get over it.
 
Repeat after me: Competing Currencies (by bonds backed by Gold or Silver not FRN's)

Not sure why the foul language was needed in this thread?

nevermind federal reserve note.

You're not telling me WHY it's a good idea you're just trying to get me to repeat a mantra.
 
If you don't have something to add then please go away, I can wait until someone with some real understanding of why it's a good idea can come in here and set me right. I want to see the logic behind it. I want to beleive, but it's so hard.
 
That's a good question and it is good that you are asking yourself that. There is more discussion on this topic than I could hope to put here, but...

I see two major (and numerous minor) reasons to return to the gold standard:

1) It removes the power of government to print currency to increase their own power. (i.e. paying for things by printing money and spending it)

2) Money doesn't mean anything if it's not backed by something you can exchange it for. By making money equivalent to some amount of gold, it's worth something whose value is more difficult to distort. You could make it an iron standard, an hours of work by a certain person standard or a banana standard if you wanted to. Gold is a natural chocie because it is high in value (you don't need a lot of it to make a transaction) and its value/purchasing power remains relatively constant (as can be seen in the comparison to the price of oil in the last few years).

Personally, I don't think the gold standard is the end value. A national currency is opposed to a free society. By allowing currency competition, you would instantly kill the government's control over the dollar and end the inequality of those with solid assets (investments, which aren't hurt too bad by inflation) over those with dollar assets.

Currency competition, not gold standard has my vote.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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If you don't have something to add then please go away, I can wait until someone with some real understanding of why it's a good idea can come in here and set me right. I want to see the logic behind it. I want to beleive, but it's so hard.

First of all, it is obvious you are not approaching this with an open mind. I would propose to you the opposite question, "Why the hell would going to the gold standard in a global economy NOT be a good thing?"

The answer you seek cant be found entirely in a sentence or paragraph, you must stude economic and monetary theory. Here is one reason though.

Paper money can be artificially created. The people with the power and authority to artificially create money have an inordinate amount of control over the people that use that currency. When they create money, the money you already have becomes less valuable. They are stealing from you.

Gold can not be artificially created or manipulated.
 
is the value placed on the goods and services we export and trade?

If followed properly, it could work- much like communism. Every currency system has some limitations.

Our system's problems:

1) The government has the ability to spend as much as they want. As we see increased government spending, you will see more availability of money to be loaned. In our system money is created for the loan and destroyed upon its repayment, minus the interest. Which leads us to our second point.

2) Banking institutions are loaning money they don't really have to people. Thus, a multi-billion dollar lending industry is born managing money without adding any direct value into the economy. These people provide no good or service. Obviously some banking is legit, investors who invest real money, entrepreneurs, accountants. The Lending industry is the problem.

3) Eventually, inflation wins. Bankers and politicians can keep the system afloat for a while, but eventually the overprinting of the dollar catches up to the market and it implodes. It loses all value because people do not believe that it is a legitimate representation of the goods and services in the economy.

No fiat currency system has ever lasted more than a few decades. Its just the way it works. No government accepts fiat currency if the plan to control spending. They embrace is because they plan to do just the opposite. Without a restraint on the amount of currency they can print, they will print till all value is sapped from the currency. Who does this hurt the most? People on fixed incomes, people who save money, and small businesses.

What limit is there for money today? What prevents the government from issues a 100 Trillion Dollar Bond, and the Fed turning it into a security and writing a check for it?
 
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