The Free State Project: Political Migration in Our Time & Liberty Forum

[Keith and stuff]

What's the prevailing opinion among FSP'ers about secession?

People have different opinions. Some people are outspoken supporters like Ian Freeman of Free Talk Live and Free Keene. The FSP itself just take positions on political issues.

Honestly NH was a bad choice. The laws are good, however the FSP cannot take over the state.

The FSP isn't about taking over the state. It is about encouraging liberty lovers to move to NH. I don't want to take over NH. Even using terminology like that is offense to a lot of people. I like that NH is the freest state in the US. I want to keep it free, restore the lost freedoms and so on. If you don't word your message correctly, it turns people off.

 

[bolil]

Hey guys just don't be surprised when the barn door shuts and you begin to smell gasoline.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Here is the Political Action in NH panel. It was recorded by Free Concord.

Liberty oriented political action in the state house and local political races is discussed in this panel from the 2012 New Hampshire Liberty Forum.



Here is the Agorism in the Shire panel, also recorded by Free Concord.


Here is the Civil Disobedience Panel hour+ raw footage.


Here is the under 8 min. highlighted version of the Civil Disobedience Panel thanks to Pete Eyre


Here is Wolf von Laer from Students for Liberty in Europe. His speech was recorded by Free Concord.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Hey guys just don't be surprised when the barn door shuts and you begin to smell gasoline.

A US Senator, a US Rep (Ron Paul spoke at the 2007 and 2008 Liberty Forums), a former governor, the publisher of the largest newspaper in NH, a WWE championship belt holder, Peter Schiff, John Stossel, Judge Napolitano, state Senators and many presidential candidates have spoken at Liberty Forum. It is kind of a big deal in NH. The Nashua paper did two articles on it.

Wednesday, February 22, 2012
New Hampshire Liberty Forum will bring hundreds to Nashua this weekend
By JOSEPH G. COTE
Staff Writer
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/950913-196/new-hampshire-liberty-forum-will-bring-hundreds.html

Saturday, February 25, 2012
Attendees march to beat of their own drum at Liberty Forum in Nashua
By PATRICK MEIGHAN
Staff Writer
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/951349-196/attendees-march-to-beat-of-their-own.html

The Union Leader also covered it but not in print.

Photo journalist / freedom activist arrested at Occupy Miami eviction Tuesday to speak at NH Liberty Forum on Feb. 25 in Nashua
Carlos Miller will be speaking in Nashua, New Hampshire on Saturday, February 25 at this year's Liberty Forum.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120203/NEWHAMPSHIRE13/120209970/0/services

 

[bolil]

Thats all fine and good, point I making is it is much easier to get future undesirables to concentrate themselves geographically than it is to round them up. Am I right that this free state project is exactly that? I don't know. No matter how much i want to move there, Ill go with my instincts.

 

[Crotale]

If I can save up enough money, I aim to attend PorcFest.

 

[centure7]

The 2012 Liberty Forum had very big numbers of people and was it was great to meet so many people new to the liberty movement! It was also fun talking to the locals who had read about the forum in the local news.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The Survival Podcast creator spoke at Liberty Forum. Here is his presentation.



Jack Spirko also did an episode of TSP about Liberty Forum and the FSP.
LISTEN TO THE EPISODE HERE, http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/liberty-is-alive-and-well

Here are some of the show notes.

I spend a lot of time on “individual liberty”. I do so because I think the tide to turn government is so deep that it will take decades or longer to really change things. Until such time I refuse to live in oppression so I have and will always teach that when it comes to liberty like many things, what you do matters is the number one component to success.

However being in New Hampshire for a few days with the crazy, radical, libertarian folks that call themselves the “Free Staters” has given me renewed hope as I watch how they are making progress at the personal level as well as at a systemic level. Each member does their own thing, some are inside the system, some fully outside and others such as myself are working a bit in both worlds.

Join me Today as I Discuss…

Yes I am still a minarchist but have no further need to debate anarchists
You really can make a change at the state level
Over 12 State Reps are Freestaters
Many more backed by the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance
Over 1,000 people have moved as part of the FSP
Competing Currencies are Alive and Well
Lots of AOCS currency was in place
I understand bitcoin a lot better now
Shire Silver is onto something
TSP Copper will be back soon with even more options
People are waking up
Photography and video are making LEOs accountable
The local/real/etc food movement is hitting a critical mass
Many Free Staters were really taken in by “modern survivalism”
People in the FSP have each others back – BIG TIME
The impact on me
I likely won’t ever move to NH, but it could happen
My determination to fight is stronger than ever
My receptiveness to competing ideas is more open than ever
My view on currency isn’t different, it has however, expanded
The FSP is not “sponsored by” TSP
I will be back in NH next year

 

[TheTexan]

The FSP isn't about taking over the state. It is about encouraging liberty lovers to move to NH. I don't want to take over NH. Even using terminology like that is offense to a lot of people. I like that NH is the freest state in the US. I want to keep it free, restore the lost freedoms and so on. If you don't word your message correctly, it turns people off.

I can't seem to find the quote, but I also seem to remember you saying that the goal of the FSP is to educate the people through a fair media, rather than filling seats with liberty candidates through direct political action.

I can't disagree with this strongly enough. The people of this country simply do not want freedom, fair media or not. They like having their choices made for them. They like being dependent on others. This is not something education can fix.

This is the point where we need to start separating from these people. FSP has an excellent platform to do this, but if your efforts are directed towards an education campaign rather than electing liberty candidates through sheer political takeovers, then the project will fail.

It seems like you're relying on the good people of NH to give you your freedom. If you want your freedom, the only way you'll get it is if you take it.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I can't seem to find the quote, but I also seem to remember you saying that the goal of the FSP is to educate the people through a fair media, rather than filling seats with liberty candidates through direct political action.

On this thread, http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?367664-How-is-the-GOP-better-than-the-Democratic-Party I just posted a reply.

Here was a quote from givemeliberty2010.

Is Ron Paul's strategy of building a base of liberty-advocates in the Republican Party showing any progress beyond the margins (e.g., Rand Paul in Kentucky, who isn't barely a libertarian)? I know not all of Ron Paul's supporters are or need to be libertarians, but we need to stay together.

And here was my reply.

Where I live, it certainly is showing awesome progress. Republican Party leaders in NH tend to love liberty Republicans. For example, during one of the special elections for state Rep. last year, the only Republican that ran in the GOP Primary was a person that moved to NH because of the Free State Project. The GOP supported her with use of their names and information, volunteer day events and so on. In another state Rep. special election this year, the only Republican that ran for a person that moved here because of the FSP. I think the Republican mayor of the largest city in NH endorsed the chair of the city's Ron Paul campaign for his reelection as a state Rep.

Of course, the Republican Liberty Caucus cause here supports Ron Paul folks and FSPers with money and endorsements, as does the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. The New Hampshire Republican Volunteer Coalition has also supported free staters with volunteers. Also, one of the co-chairs of the Republican House Alliance, a Republican House caucus group that was chaired by the current Speak of the House 2 years ago, is a state Rep. that moved here because of the FSP. A state Rep. that endorsed Ron Paul is chair of a House committees A different state Rep. that is a liberty Republican is chair of a House committee. 2 additional Reps. that endorsed Ron Paul are House committee vice chairs. In total, 30 state Reps. endorsed Ron Paul, even though there are around 90 libertarian state Reps.

I could go on and on but at least in NH, the strategy is working amazingly. In all fairness, there are a few elected liberty Democrats. There have also been some close races were liberty Democrats barely lost. However, some of the Democratic Party leadership considers liberty supporters, free staters and tea party activists to be extremist and it seems like every few days some Democrat issues a report about that.

As for your comment about what I said the goal of the FSP is. I don't know what I may or may not have said. However, I can clearly tell you right now what the goals of the FSP are

The FSP's goals are to find 20,000 people that agree with the FSP statement of intent, encourage them to sign up and move to New Hampshire. The FSP statement of intent states, "I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property."

The FSP doesn't take positions on politics or even on the argument of politics vs. agorism vs. education vs. something else vs. a variety of methods.

Personally, I think that the majority of my NH activism should be focused on getting pro-liberty Republicans elected and talking to elected officials about liberty on the various issues that vote on. I certainly do other things, but I feel very comfortable helping get liberty folks elected and helping influence folks that are elected. So far, it has been a very successful strategy in NH, maybe more so than all 49 other states combined.

Of course, there is far more work to be done. The more the merrier and I encourage you to join us in NH with the types of activism that you prefer to do.

 

[Crotale]

Surely it's time for the PorcFest thread now Keith and stuff? The Liberty Forum finished ages ago.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Jeffrey Tucker’s Speech at the 2012 Liberty Forum. Jeffrey is introduced by the president of the Free State Project.

Jeffrey Tucker is an author at LewRockwell.com, executive editor of Laissez Faire Books. He is past editorial vice president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and past editor for the institute’s website, Mises.org. He is also the author of 3 books. Jeffrey Tucker is also an adjunct scholar with the Mackinac Center for Public Policy and an Acton University faculty member.