The Four Horsemen of the Liberty Movement (Going Forward)

[Athan]

They have my backing. We do need to demote of Tregvi Olsen and Jessie Benton though. Like bathroom maintenence duty type of demotion.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Yep. It makes me want to reach into my computer screen and smack people when I see all the vitriol lobbed at Rand. I felt terrible for him to hear the people at the rally booing him. And booing him in front of his family and in front of Ron, no less.

Rand is our strongest fighter. Each of us makes our own judgement about how much politics they need to play to accomplish our agenda. It's one thing to be critical of Rand if you disagree with him on that. But to say Rand doesn't share our goals, I mean that's just unfounded and stupid.

Rand got elected in part by being willing to play ball a little bit. If someone wants to try to get elected to Senate without doing that, and they pull it off, then more power to them.

Rand is no doubt eager to build and improve upon his father's accomplishments.Rand has watched his father more closely than any of us have over the past 30 years. He has his own view of how effective or ineffective Ron's say-anything approach to politics made him, and he's trying to do what he thinks will improve upon that.

If we had known Ron Paul in years prior to 2007, we might well have said "this hard-edge approach is noble but it has gotten you nowhere for decades!" and, of course, we would have been dead wrong. Similarly, as we now begin to build inroads into more mainstream politics, those of us clamoring for our liberty candidates to retain the hard-edged Ron Paul-style approach to politics may be dead wrong too.

There's no way to know this. But we should trust Rand, who is actually there in the belly of the beast on Capitol Hill, to take his best shot at what he thinks will work, instead of trying to pretend that we know better than he what should be done. Rand has already demonstrated in the Senate that there may well be merit to his softer approach.

And if you don't like that approach, push other candidates like Peter Schiff in CT (speaking retroactively, of course). But lay off of Rand just because he's not taking the hard-edged approach you want. As Ron Paul himself said at the rally yesterday, you need to take a soft approach to persuade people. That is likely true in Washington as well.

Made me utterly ashamed and embarrassed for Ron. I bet it broke his heart to hear his son booed at his own event. A little tact would go a long way towards building this movement to respectability.

There was a great moment between Rand and Carol when the crowd drowned out the boo birds with "PAUL 16".

 

[Sematary]

Made me utterly ashamed and embarrassed for Ron. I bet it broke his heart to hear his son booed at his own event. A little tact would go a long way towards building this movement to respectability.

There was a great moment between Rand and Carol when the crowd drowned out the boo birds with "PAUL 16".

Personally, I'm willing to bet that they understood where the vitriol was coming from because they HAD to be expecting it. ALOT of people were very angry when he endorsed Romney.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Tom Davis was the most impressive speaker, imo.

 

[economics102]

Tom Davis was the most impressive speaker, imo.

Tom Davis was one of the best things to come out of the 2012 campaign. All the sudden out of nowhere, he was just like "fuck yeah! I'm with Ron f'ing Paul!"

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Personally, I'm willing to bet that they understood where the vitriol was coming from because they HAD to be expecting it. ALOT of people were very angry when he endorsed Romney.

I'm sure they were, but he ultimately did it for us and the movement. It clearly pained him to do, but needed to be done if we are to have any future. I compare it to disciplining a child who might not understand your actions at the time, but will down the road.

 

[July]

Personally, I'm willing to bet that they understood where the vitriol was coming from because they HAD to be expecting it. ALOT of people were very angry when he endorsed Romney.

Oh yeah Rand looked visibly nervous, IMO, I'm sure he was expecting it. Carol appeared to have something to add, as she was introducing him, but then "Paul 16" chants drowned out any of the stray boos....so it turned out alright.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Yep. It makes me want to reach into my computer screen and smack people when I see all the vitriol lobbed at Rand. I felt terrible for him to hear the people at the rally booing him. And booing him in front of his family and in front of Ron and Carol, no less.

I didn't really hear any booing on the video. Maybe someone in person at the rally could hear it better?

If anyone was booing Rand at that rally, they are major douchebags.

 

[sailingaway]

I think people are going to come to their own conclusions over time and it is fine for them to take that time to think it over.

 

[sailingaway]

Oh yeah Rand looked visibly nervous, IMO, I'm sure he was expecting it. Carol appeared to have something to add, as she was introducing him, but then "Paul 16" chants drowned out any of the stray boos....so it turned out alright.

Did the campaign start those? I had never heard that before.

To be honest, if the campaign is wise I think it won't use the RNC to try to shove grass roots anywhere but give Ron full tribute. Grass roots already feel too much of HIS attention and focus has been spent elsewhere when that was not the goal of grass roots.

People tend to push back when they are pushed, and I think letting people get over being pissed if they can is a wiser route.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Oh yeah Rand looked visibly nervous, IMO, I'm sure he was expecting it. Carol appeared to have something to add, as she was introducing him, but then "Paul 16" chants drowned out any of the stray boos....so it turned out alright.

Yeah, granted it only sounded like 3 people booing. Still made me cringe, but the "Paul 16" gave me a huge smile. I don't want to see this movement as a flash in the pan Ross Perot type thing or the defunct Reform party. Tom Davis is absolutely correct, Ron Paul established a beachhead for our reinforcements to come ashore and wreck havoc.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

State Sen. Tom Davis



This is, bar none, our top priority for 2014. Getting Tom Davis elected over Lindsey Graham is imperative, assuming he does choose to run. He is easily the best orator in the movement, and his fiery defense of the principles of liberty will be very effective in spreading the message to the masses. Tom is only a state senator now, but anyone with a pair of eyes can see that he is on his way up.

In the meantime we got Tom Davis gunning for Lindsey Graham...that warms my heart

mine too. most exciting news coming out of the rally by far

Best news of the week.

I predict a Tom Davis 2014 Sub-Forum in the future...

 

[deadfish]

Tom Davis was one of the best things to come out of the 2012 campaign. All the sudden out of nowhere, he was just like "fuck yeah! I'm with Ron f'ing Paul!"

lol, yeah I just watched Tom Davis again.

He comes on around 1:29:00

http://www.c-span.org/RNC/Events/Ron-Paul-Holds-Rally-in-Tampa-Fla/10737433373-4/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What about two-term Governor Gary Johnson?

He's busy infiltrating the Libertarian Party.

If he had dropped out of the Presidential race early and ran for US Senate, he would have a good chance right now, and we would probably have a Gary Johnson 2012 sub-forum. Ego may have gotten the best of him. Heck, he could have run for Congress as a Libertarian and maybe even won that.

 

[fr33]

He's busy infiltrating the Libertarian Party.

If he had dropped out of the Presidential race early and ran for US Senate, he would have a good chance right now, and we would probably have a Gary Johnson 2012 sub-forum. Ego may have gotten the best of him. Heck, he could have run for Congress as a Libertarian and maybe even won that.

Well SOMEbody needs to run for president in the LP party. To try and get liberty into debate when 2 fascists think they've put down the liberty movement. I guess he serves that purpose. He's better than Romney and Obama.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He's busy infiltrating the Libertarian Party.

If he had dropped out of the Presidential race early and ran for US Senate, he would have a good chance right now, and we would probably have a Gary Johnson 2012 sub-forum. Ego may have gotten the best of him. Heck, he could have run for Congress as a Libertarian and maybe even won that.

Yeah, kind of makes me not think he's serious about wanting the job. If you're not serious about wanting elected office don't waste our time.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Well SOMEbody needs to run for president in the LP party. To try and get liberty into debate when 2 fascists think they've put down the liberty movement. I guess he serves that purpose. He's better than Romney and Obama.

But he would have had more influence as a senator than a candidate for president. I understand that a potential rise in the polls for him may give third parties validity but I'd rather have the LP running true libertarians in the mold of Harry Brown.

 

[deadfish]

He's busy infiltrating the Libertarian Party.

If he had dropped out of the Presidential race early and ran for US Senate, he would have a good chance right now, and we would probably have a Gary Johnson 2012 sub-forum. Ego may have gotten the best of him. Heck, he could have run for Congress as a Libertarian and maybe even won that.

hindsight is 20/20

Gary Johnson was the very first to announce his candidacy. He was an experienced executive leader and the Presidency is the next level of Executive office. Go with what ya know and all that... I imagine that the thought he would be excluded from the stage had never entered his mind. That was such a horrible black-out, on the scale that Ron Paul has been through. But yes, I agree with you, a Senate run would have been preferable. I don't place any fault upon him whatsoever though.

 

[deadfish]

Anyone have a non-Cspan video on Justin Amash? The "technical difficulties" right at the NDAA bit are ... unfortunate.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Well SOMEbody needs to run for president in the LP party. To try and get liberty into debate when 2 fascists think they've put down the liberty movement. I guess he serves that purpose. He's better than Romney and Obama.

But he would have had more influence as a senator than a candidate for president. I understand that a potential rise in the polls for him may give third parties validity but I'd rather have the LP running true libertarians in the mold of Harry Brown.

A Lee Wrights/RJ Harris Libertarian ticket would fit the bill. Or Lee Wrights/Jim Gray, as RJ is running for US Congress now.