The FCC Just Voted to Regulate the Internet Like a Utility

No one is saying that ISPs don't have the right to gouge customers. IMO they can charge whatever price they want for their internet service. In fact, the newly released FCC rules specifically address the question of price controls: they have indicated there won't be any!

So what then ARE the rules? that they can charge whatever they want BUT they can't restrict in forms of filter and throttle?

If so, isn't that a useless rule that can easily be loopholed?

I mean, couldn't they "reverse throttle" by saying the lowest price/speed gets everything unfiltered, but equally slow. If you want to use certain sites, you must either pay an outrageous high speed cost you'll never use, or pay extra for fast lanes on certain sites?
 
I DO ask the same question, and I just might stop asking if you answered it instead of saying "I already did".

I point to it, and the questions never end. If I point to a post, then you point to a sentence. If I would define the sentence, then you point to a word. If I define the word, then you would break down the syllables. I could discuss the syllables, but then you would question my knowledge of Latin and Greek etymology. I could talk about that, and you would repeat the process.

The evidence is in. A jury does not need to see the thief steal the purse to make a reasonable assumption about his guilt. Likewise, I don't need to see somebody hand you a check.

Save your internet scientist persona and molecular evidence pursuit.
 
I point to it, and the questions never end. If I point to a post, then you point to a sentence. If I would define the sentence, then you point to a word. If I define the word, then you would break down the syllables. I could discuss the syllables, but then you would question my knowledge of Latin and Greek etymology. I could talk about that, and you would repeat the process.

Please show me when this happened. No really, just SHOW ME WHEN IT HAPPENED. Stop making excuses, let ME make the excuses, wouldn't that make me look worse and you better? Why do you keep thinking saying "I did and I won't again because you'll play dumb and deny it" is an effective way to substitute answering?


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The evidence is in. A jury does not need to see the thief steal the purse to make a reasonable assumption about his guilt. Likewise, I don't need to see somebody hand you a check.

Save your internet scientist persona and molecular evidence pursuit.

you rely on juries that will believe the accuser without evidence? you rely on a jury that'll believe an accuser who makes excuses not to present the evidence?

You claim I lied multiple times, you can't link ONE instance where I did. (your best example is me not talking about my guns)
You claim you presented evidence multiple times, you can answer that by either presenting evidence or point to the last time you did, but funny, EVERY TIME I ASK, YOU DODGE AND CLAIM YOU DID, THIS IS ALL YOU CAN DO.
 
So what then ARE the rules? that they can charge whatever they want BUT they can't restrict in forms of filter and throttle?

If so, isn't that a useless rule that can easily be loopholed?

I mean, couldn't they "reverse throttle" by saying the lowest price/speed gets everything unfiltered, but equally slow. If you want to use certain sites, you must either pay an outrageous high speed cost you'll never use, or pay extra for fast lanes on certain sites?

Yes, they can charge whatever they want - but they cannot restrict access to sites based on content.

I don't think so, but if you have a loophole in mind, go ahead and identify it.

I'm not sure what "reverse throttle" means. Yes, the lowest price gets everything unfiltered, all equally slowly. The higher price gets everything unfiltered, all equally quickly. I'm having a hard time seeing why you're confused about different sites still being part of fast lanes when that is what the regulation specifically prohibits. Do you know what NN means?
 
Ah yes, the old "Corporations run government so we need more government to regulate the corporations" shtick.


Listen... We are running on the same electricity technology that we've had for more than 100 years. And even now when better technology has been developed, the only way to get anything changed is to create a NEW regulation. Any guesses why it is that way? Because there were once people making the same exact arguments you are making here. The result is no innovation, guaranteed profits, and little to no competition. Oh, and extremely rich politicians and bureaucrats.

This^^ also, public roads/highways. Our Masters' brilliant infrastructure is in massive decay less than a century after it was built. https://www.google.com/search?newwi....msedr...0...1c..62.hp..1.1.106.0.6YjM9OKZgNc

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101214258
Even though his health-care website is still in need of dire repair, President Obama was in the port of New Orleans earlier this month talking about repairing a much bigger problem: the nation's aging highways, bridges and ports. Saying that 1 in 9 bridges are structurally deficient and more than 40 percent of major highways are congested, Obama repeated his call for major infrastructure investment, but it's unclear how or if that will happen. Announced during his State of the Union speechin February, Obama's Fix-It-First program calls for $40 billion in spending on a backlog of urgent repairs and upgrades. That would follow $31 billion that went into infrastructure as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. But those sums are dwarfed by the $3.6 trillion in investment the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) says is needed by 2020.
In its 2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure, released in March, the ASCE gave the nation a grade of D, with aviation, roads and transit getting D's; and ports and rail a C and C, respectively. The overall grade was a slight improvement from D in 2009, but the group emphasized in a report that "America's critical infrastructure—principally, its roads, bridges, drinking water systems, mass transit systems, schools, and systems for delivering energy—may soon fail to meet society's needs."
With its job-creation allure, infrastructure spending can command bipartisan support, but that doesn't necessarily mean new funding is readily forthcoming. Dating to the interstate construction of the 1950s, the Highway Trust Fund finances highway and mass-transit investment with an 18.4-cent excise tax on gas and other fuels, but that hasn't been raised in 20 years; due to inflation, the fund's purchasing power is only about 62 percent of what it was.
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""States' efforts to compensate for inadequate federal financial transportation assistance with other sources of capital have grown and multiplied." -Kenneth Orski, Transportation consultant​
"At this point, you have to buy a tankful of gas for the federal tax to add up to the equivalent of a latte at Starbucks. This is a major imposition on Americans," said Robert Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, an NGO with an infrastructure-promotion arm called America 2050. "But people get it that unless we can increase the gas tax, there won't be a trust fund or investments in highways and public transport in this country. And if it isn't the gas tax, then something else has to go up."
Calls for higher gas taxes have been coming from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to former Transport Secretary Ray LaHood to a number of states that have raised or will raise local gas taxes. In April, however, a Gallup poll found that two-thirds of Americans would oppose a gas tax hike of up to 20 cents a gallon, even if the money were to go to improving roads and bridges and building more mass transit.
Resistance to raising the tax, along with lower revenues due to the fact that cars are becoming more fuel efficient and overall driving is decreasing, has left the fund in a state of chronic shortfall that requires emergency transfers from Congress—to the tune of $41 billion since 2008. The current bill, Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century (MAP-21), is a two-year measure to September 2014. That deadline has generated headlines suggesting the fund will go broke by 2015. Will lawmakers come to the rescue again?
(Read more: Ditching the car: Dying suburbs revived by walking)
"When MAP-21 expires, nothing will happen, because Congress will almost certainly pass an extension of the law. This is likely to be followed by numerous other extensions until a new multiyear law can be passed," said Joshua Schank, president of the Eno Center for Transportation, a nonprofit policy foundation.


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The Tappan Zee bridge, which links Rockland and Westchester County in New York. The State of New York plans to replace the three-mile 1955 span because it is jammed with traffic and expensive to maintain

A raft of alternative funding proposals for infrastructure from various groups includes everything from more tolls, gasoline sales taxes or a fee on vehicle miles traveled (VMT), which would ensure revenue regardless of fuel efficiency. VMT fees would be calculated through black boxes in cars that track distance, and the proposal has gotten traction in states such as Oregon, California, and Nevada but faces opposition from privacy advocates. While states and cities experiment with GPS and non-GPS VMT boxes, infrastructure still needs solid funding solutions.
"The only way we are going to improve our infrastructure grade is if we make better investment and operational decisions with the funds we have," said Schank. "While it is important to have more money because the needs are so great, there is also no doubt that we spend too much of our existing funds on shiny new projects in places with insufficient demand and not enough on maintaining and improving what we have in the places with some of the greatest need."
Even if patchwork funding continues amid congressional dithering, some states are taking more transportation infrastructure into their own hands by financing it with long-term debt. For instance, New York is replacing the overcapacity 1955 Tappan Zee Bridge spanning the Hudson River with a 100-year, $4 billion New NY Bridge structure that will be paid for with $2.4 billion in debt issued by the New York Thruway Authority, as well as a $1.6 billion federal loan. Construction is expected to be complete in 2018.
"States' efforts to compensate for inadequate federal financial transportation assistance with other sources of capital have grown and multiplied," said Kenneth Orski, a transportation consultant who served in the precursor to the Federal Transit Administration. "In the longer run, greater state fiscal autonomy and financial sophistication could modify the federal-state relationship in transportation in a permanent way. There would be less need for direct federal financial aid to state DOTs and more emphasis on credit assistance to support transportation investments of truly national scope and significance."


 
[Translation: I didn't do it, man!]

You already got caught. I posted the evidence. I'm not posting evidence every week because you demand it. It's over.

Evidence is not just an employer sending money through Paypal. It does not matter anyway because you just acknowledged (again) that you're on this forum to try to belittle people. I combine your belittling goal with your posts. It's clear to see that your posts are not libertarian, but you trying to mock people for their libertarianism.
 
Yes, they can charge whatever they want - but they cannot restrict access to sites based on content.

I don't think so, but if you have a loophole in mind, go ahead and identify it.

I'm not sure what "reverse throttle" means. Yes, the lowest price gets everything unfiltered, all equally slowly. The higher price gets everything unfiltered, all equally quickly. I'm having a hard time seeing why you're confused about different sites still being part of fast lanes when that is what the regulation specifically prohibits. Do you know what NN means?

I didn't read that part, now I know the answer. No throttle means no throttle. Sorry about that.

The only possible way to restrict usage would be by actual data downloaded, and not speed. Meaning, if you download or stream a movie, you can do it as fast as you like, but you pay for each time you do, and when you do, you've used up more data than the guy who only reads blogs a million times.
 
You already got caught. I posted the evidence. I'm not posting evidence every week because you demand it. It's over.

Evidence is not just an employer sending money through Paypal. It does not matter anyway because you just acknowledged (again) that you're on this forum to try to belittle people. I combine your belittling goal with your posts. It's clear to see that your posts are not libertarian, but you trying to mock people for their libertarianism.

You don't need to post it again, you can just point to the time that you did.

You know what's funny? You have no problem repeating the answer "I already did" where you can just as easily post the answer.

"Evidence is not just an employer sending money through Paypal." What does that have to do with me?
 
Just now. March 15, 2015. 12:25am.

"I combine your belittling goal with your posts. It's clear to see that your posts are not libertarian, but you trying to mock people for their libertarianism."

You mean this?

Is this what I've been ignoring and missing each time? you simply saying you pointed out evidence?
 
I didn't read that part, now I know the answer. No throttle means no throttle. Sorry about that.

The only possible way to restrict usage would be by actual data downloaded, and not speed. Meaning, if you download or stream a movie, you can do it as fast as you like, but you pay for each time you do, and when you do, you've used up more data than the guy who only reads blogs a million times.

Cool.

Having a constant speed, but charging for the amount of data, is I'm certain a workable business model - in fact, it's very similar to what a lot of the phone companies do.
 
Cool.

Having a constant speed, but charging for the amount of data, is I'm certain a workable business model - in fact, it's very similar to what a lot of the phone companies do.

it was basically how cellphone plans start, and how AOL discs used to be. Until the had a concept of how much people actually use.

There was a time when it was hard to see how much people use, now it's not too hard, so setting plans this way, if legal, might just be the next thing.
 
You've been ignoring everything, not just this single item.

You asked for evidence and I posted it. People can view the evidence and judge for themselves if you're lying.

So let me get this straight, your evidence is "You already got caught. I posted the evidence. I'm not posting evidence every week because you demand it. It's over. "???

Evidence is not just an employer sending money through Paypal.
What is this??

It does not matter anyway because you just acknowledged (again) that you're on this forum to try to belittle people. I combine your belittling goal with your posts. It's clear to see that your posts are not libertarian, but you trying to mock people for their libertarianism.

I admitted I belittle people, with certain criteria, that's not evidence I am not a libertarian, or that I'm a liberal. But I appreciate that you're grasping at straws in desperation, any answer is better than none at all.
 
... that's not evidence I am not a libertarian, or that I'm a liberal.

No, of course, YOU don't consider that evidence of your misdeeds. You are the subject of the evidence.

You can no longer however, say I did not post evidence of lying. You will disagree with the veracity, but I say this evidence (and other evidence I've posted) shows you're a perp.

People can make up their own mind about your deviancy.
 
No, of course, YOU don't consider that evidence of your misdeeds. You are the subject of the evidence.

You can no longer however, say I did not post evidence of lying. You will disagree with the veracity, but I say this evidence (and other evidence I've posted) shows you're a perp.

People can make up their own mind about your deviancy.

Can you explain how this is evidence of lying?
 
Can you explain how this is evidence of lying?


LOL. I knew that was coming. You say to post evidence and now you move the goalposts. And I'm now supposed to make this evidence acceptable to the perp himself.



Evidence definition: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I presented the facts of your statements about trying to belittle people here. I combine that with the your posts. You then claim you're liberty minded.

I conclude you're a deviant. Many others have told me the same in the 18 months you've been here, based on this and mounds of other evidence.

Of course, you will disagree with this. Others can reach their own conclusion.
 
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LOL. I knew that was coming. You say to post evidence and now you move the goalposts.

No, you can't just post anything and think it'll count as evidence. If you consider something evidence, don't you expect to explain why it is?

And I'm now supposed to make this evidence acceptable to the perp himself.

At least try to.

Evidence definition: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I presented the facts of your statements about trying to belittle people here. I combine that with the your posts. You then claim you're liberty minded.

If you take statements without context, you'll get the wrong conclusions. I'd be lying if I said I would never ever belittle anybody, so I admitted that I do in certain cases. You want to blow it up to mean I belittle people as my primary or only purpose, that's not how it works, that's not what I said.

What person have I belittled that would contradict me being liberty minded?

I conclude you're a deviant. Many others have told me the same in the 18 months you've been here, based on this and mounds of other evidence.

Of course, you will disagree with this. Others can reach their own conclusion.

They're free to tell everybody in public, instead of just to you, they're also free to post evidence themselves, instead of relying on Mr "I already did it"
 
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