The EU is doing fine, what's so bad about the NAU?

[Rhys]

Seriously, I was just thinking about how the EU and the Euro are doing great. What's the big deal?

Other than global communism, that is. I mean, in theory, isn't an NAU just the next step to a United States? Didn't everyone think we were crazy for thinking our "more perfect union" would work?

Are we going overboard on Federalism?

 

[roshi]

Go print some more money and see what happens.

Also, you lose national sovereignty. The national sovereignty is what people are getting all mad about, the NAU would basically be more powerful than our constitution.

 

[Rhys]

Go print some more money and see what happens.

Also, you lose national sovereignty.

so your problem is with central banks, not the NAU?

 

[roshi]

so your problem is with central banks, not the NAU?

No, I believe people are all about the national sovereignty. There is a whole forum dedicated to this on this forum, just scroll down or click "liberty forest" at the top.

 

[Dorfsmith]

Seriously, I was just thinking about how the EU and the Euro are doing great. What's the big deal?

Other than global communism, that is. I mean, in theory, isn't an NAU just the next step to a United States? Didn't everyone think we were crazy for thinking our "more perfect union" would work?

Are we going overboard on Federalism?

Go read Brave New World, 1984, etc. and then tell us if you think it's a good idea.

 

[Rhys]

No, I believe people are all about the national sovereignty.

Isn't that just states righst vs federal control, only with nation states instead of provincial states?

 

[-lotus-]

Id rather have my own country, my own set of individual liberties and freedoms and not have to worry about sending my children to war at the behest of some autonomous world agency

 

[roshi]

Go read Brave New World, 1984, etc. and then tell us if you think it's a good idea.

Yea, I agree. 1984 was one of the scariest books I've ever read.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Ask Ron. Or heaven forbid, do some independent research.

 

[Rhys]

I read 1984 and it is scarry... but in theory, 1984 does not require an NAU just because one existed in the book. What's more, an NAU doesn't require Big Brother.

I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm trying to sort out what I really think.
edit: don't be a turd truth muffin

 

[freelance]

Seriously, I was just thinking about how the EU and the Euro are doing great. What's the big deal?

Other than global communism, that is. I mean, in theory, isn't an NAU just the next step to a United States? Didn't everyone think we were crazy for thinking our "more perfect union" would work?

Are we going overboard on Federalism?

If you've got any family or friends in Europe, just ask them.

If you have to ask, you might want to delay your run as a Ron Paul Republican for a few election cycles, at least until you are clear why the NAU is a bad idea.

P.S. The EU is not "doing fine." The constitution was rammed through as a treaty without a referendum, the taxes are over the top, laws on the books are growing exponentially, thanks to Brussels, and Europe is a larger control grid than the US. In fact, in England or Great Britain, or whatever they call themselves these days, they are going to have to obtain yearly permits to smoke, and you had better not smoke without having the permit on hand and ready to show. Are those enough reasons for you?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

As someone who lives in the EU I can tell you that all IS NOT FINE. The economic freedom of people who live here is virtually non-existent, it is the most surveilled group of ocuntries in the world, the laws regarding freedom of movement are far in excess of anything that would be acceptable to you guys in the USA and MOST of the people in these Nation States are VERY VERY unhappy about what their UNelected offcials have done.

Don't believe the hype.

 

[Rhys]

As someone who lives in the EU I can tell you that all IS NOT FINE. The economic freedom of people who live here is virtually non-existent, it is the most surveilled group of ocuntries in the world, the laws regarding freedom of movement are far in excess of anything that would be acceptable to you guys in the USA and MOST of the people in these Nation States are VERY VERY unhappy about what their UNelected offcials have done.

Don't believe the hype.

Thanks. finaly a reason that doesn't involve me being scared for no reason.

cool, and everyone who said I should just know and why even bother asking.... maybe you know everything already, but I don't.

 

[abruzz0]

Continental amnesty

 

[UK4Paul]

Seriously, I was just thinking about how the EU and the Euro are doing great. What's the big deal?

The European Union is doing just great... if you don't mind living under a de facto beaurocratic dictatorship.

That's why its "laws" are called Directives. They basically tell national governments what to do.

 

[Cali4RonPaul]

As a member of the business community I do see many benefits in a NAU, I would no longer have to pay customs clearing charges to Toronto, and the appreciating Canadian dollar would be stopped. Monetary union would benefit both our countries.. As far as Mexico a more prosperous and secure southern neighbor would mean less immigration to the USA, people generally live and stay where they are born.

It would also open up the way for people like myself to own beach property in Mexicos excellent tropical locations..

 

[Broadlighter]

Go to this website:

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=issues

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and read the articles that start with
Part 1, Part 2..., etc.

They will open up to Ed Griffin's article "The Future is Calling." The first four parts are pdfs and the last is a video.

The real conflict behind world events is between individualism versus collectivism. Europe has succeeded in moving toward collectivism, but in truth, many people there are fed up with the big government nature of it all. In fact, a couple of years there was a popular vote for adopting more EU policies and it was soundly defeated in France and the Netherlands.

Respect for the dignity and humanity of individuals is what the Ron Paul/Liberty Revolution is fighting for. The NAU agenda disguises itself as a structure that will help people economically, but in truth it's a power play to bring the Canadian, American and Mexican economies under a single roof, so that the oligarchs planning it can control it for their own benefit. Sacrificing a few individuals for the sake of the greater number is their MO. If you read Griffin's article, you'll see the evidence.

 

[Verad]

If the provinces of Canada and the divisions of Mexico (didn't learn as much about Mexico) were to secede from their respective countries and then apply for statehood to the US, that would be one thing, and I don't believe that there would be much of a problem if that were to happen.

However, the method for creating a political and economic union similar to the EU is that you add a layer of bureaucracy on top of what we have now with officials that are appointed to their positions of power, and who don't answer to citizens. For instance, in the EU, some resolutions that are unpopular among EU citizens are strong-armed into law by these bureaucrats. Since these bureaucrats tend to have less respect, sometimes much less respect, for the sovereignty of each nation (because they are not bound to the laws of the member states), legislation can be forcibly passed in order to "harmonize" the laws among the member states.

So, imagine if we were in such a union with Canada and Mexico. The government officials in charge, not being bound to the Constitution, could overwrite just about anything involved, with no method for it to be overturned by any nations court system (re. US Supreme Court), then they would have the ability, for instance, to completely ban firearms, or to redefine the rights of accused persons, or the right to assemble and petition the government, or to limit freedom of speech.

The inherent problem involved here is the flaw that this style of government requires "good" political officials to be in government. However, it is obvious that politicians, for the most part, are anything but "good." The potential for the government to become a tyranny of sorts (whether by smaller nations bullying larger nations, or by the other appointed officials to grab too much power for themselves). Hope this helps. Let me know if I need to try to clarify anything.

 

[freelance]

Thanks. finaly a reason that doesn't involve me being scared for no reason.

cool, and everyone who said I should just know and why even bother asking.... maybe you know everything already, but I don't.

Research is your friend!

 

[Rhys]

If you've got any family or friends in Europe, just ask them.

If you have to ask, you might want to delay your run as a Ron Paul Republican for a few election cycles, at least until you are clear why the NAU is a bad idea.

P.S. The EU is not "doing fine." The constitution was rammed through as a treaty without a referendum, the taxes are over the top, laws on the books are growing exponentially, thanks to Brussels, and Europe is a larger control grid than the US. In fact, in England or Great Britain, or whatever they call themselves these days, they are going to have to obtain yearly permits to smoke, and you had better not smoke without having the permit on hand and ready to show. Are those enough reasons for you?

so I gotta tow the party line now?

i asked what's so bad about it, I didn't say I'd go vote 'aye' for the NAU bill. don't think if i'm in congress i'd ever vote on something without asking if I'm being prejudice first.