The Establishment Compromise: Cruz/Ryan 2016
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Trump would be closer than cruz. Cruz would solidify all liberals Democrats etc against the GOP. Trump could seal this up with one move that would make independent voters swoon.
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Yes. Abortion is the murder of unborn children, if that's the case, how could it NOT be. That's like saying "lets focus on tariffs not slavery" only worse.
And gay marriage, leaving aside any other reason to care or not to care, is going to lead to the homosexual lobby destroying churches.
Eh.... I think he might do a little but not much. But then, I was commenting only on who is least bad.
Unless Trump blows up the world first
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trump or cruz, i can only laugh as the gop will elect hillary or sanders , the gop deserves it, it is all comedy and establishment from here on, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VsifANR96s
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and again, what is Cruz going to do about any of it? You are not hearing what I'm saying, Christians have voted for Rep for years based on these issues - things have only gotten worse, there has been some progress made on late term abortions but that is more due to advancements in medicine that can keep a premature baby alive sooner and sooner and also ultrasounds that now can show us what is going on at different stages.
You will vote for someone who will not save one single baby with regards to the abortion issue, all the while killing 100's of thousands in wars and indirectly through funding and weapons funneling to violent regimes, crash the economy causing all kinds of havoc, all because this person says he is pro-life?
You also ignored what I said which is that you cannot make any progress on those issues in this PC culture, until this hostile media and spineless Rep party are cleared out of the way none of your issues will ever be heard. So maybe Donald isn't the most pro-life or pro-traditional marriage, so what, he is making it possible for you to talk about it without becoming a pariah.
Eh.... I think he might do a little but not much. But then, I was commenting only on who is least bad.
Unless Trump blows up the world first
From a strategic standpoint Trump is bar far the least bad, Cruz may be closer to your beliefs, but he will be helpless to do anything in that regard.
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I'M. NOT. VOTING. Didn't I say that?
I refuse to EVER vote for a candidate who's donated money to planned parenthood, not to mention supporting the "right" to murder your child, and thinks his daughter is attractive. There's a difference between being politically correct because you have something to say and because you just feel like babbling. I'm not voting for Cruz either.
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I'M. NOT. VOTING. Didn't I say that?
Seriously you're going to say something that silly? OK, well, if you're not voting at all that is a point of view.
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No way they run two men against Mrs. Clinton... political correctness forces them to have a woman on the ticket. Maybe Fiorina, maybe someone we aren't thinking of. GOP would play the "Cruz is a minority and Fiorina is a woman! See??? The GOP IS inclusive!!!" line to death.
This is all moot anyway. It's Trumps to lose at this point. The math simply isn't in the GOPs favor. Not sure what some PAC money and 11th hour endorsements can do this late in the game. Trump will get to 1237 or damn close. If they don't give him the nod, his psycho supporters would revolt... and THAT would be fun
Sarah Palin!
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Stated that way I agree with you, but I meant in terms of saying she would have a nice figure for playboy modeling and that he'd date her if she wasn't his daughter.
Trump as the nominee, would unleash the fury of the liberal media in a never before seen torrent. Trump has said and done some pretty unhinged stuff so far. Cruz would be treated no worse than say the Bushes or Reagan.
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Trump could seal up tbe win by going down to a southern state and buying up an old factory or two and opening up some textile plant and make his clothing line here in the US. A great and maybe profitable way to spend money on his campaign. Trump, not just talking about it but DOING IT. The media would be forced to cover it and all he could get is good press. He could even play the humble card and say he listened and saw the errors of his ways. NOT ONE other candidate could do this.
I am no Trump lover by any means but I love to guerilla market and Trump has the tools and experience to pull this off.
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Assuming this is not all grand political theatre, a dangerous assumption to take too far, it would appear a real nerve has been stricken with some violence with this "Trump phenomenon".
I will once again reiterate unto everyone's nausea and desire to have me flayed alive: experiment with this. It may be a once-in-a-lifetime chance to toy with the system; to make it your personal, private laboratory by doing what is futile (voting) and casting for Trump. If what we are seeing is real, then the GOP feels the ropes on its back. If this purported "fear" of Theire's is actual and not just some made up bullshyte, then a vote for Trump is a vote toward some degree of vivisection of current political reality, because what happens thereafter would be potentially VERY telling in that respect.
I submit to you that this is your redpill/bluepill moment. Do you want the same old shyte? If so, the little blue is right there at hand. But if your curiosity has anything of life remaining in it, the redpill, too, is right there. All you need is choose. The worst that happens down the redpill path is that it proves a dud, suggesting that even Trump is a controlled, planted, or coopted political commodity. That information is, IMO, extremely valuable to anyone for whom the larger questions loom as important.
But if things are not scripted to the point my inner paranoid fears, do we not want to see how far independence can go in that office; how long it can go before it is reeled in, whether by backroom blackmail or an assassin's bullet?
If nothing else, assuming the aforementioned independence, do we not want to have shown to the nation the fact that independence is still possible in this otherwise seemingly hopeless atmosphere of political toxicity? Does a fight toward greater freedom not start with awareness and the hope that things can be better? How else might that be accomplished, by employing the usual method of insanity by doing the same old shyte?
Do not think of this as an election in sé, but an experimental opportunity that may never again come your way. As I have written in another thread, I expect NOTHING good from Trump, but am open to the most anorexic possibility that I would be proven wrong. All that aside, regardless of what happens in the wake of putting Trump in the White House, we as a people stand to gain very valuable knowledge about "the system" by putting him there, whereas we stand to gain nothing new and illuminating with the installation of any of the others.
The "Trump phenomenon" is either organic or the child of artifice. Electing him stands to show us which, which in turn stands to make clear the nature and limit of the puppet-master's hand. Would it not be a good thing to know that the metes and bounds of Theire powers were not, in fact, unlimited? Here I mean KNOWING, rather than assuming. There is a difference and it is an important one.
I contend to those who argue against a "thrown away" vote that casting for anyone other than Trump the grandstander and potential Klown-In-Chief is precisely the worst manner and degree of rubbish-binning a vote possible. The political process (voting in particular) has proven a waste of time to the goal of achieving political change as sought by liberty-oriented men. But given the apparent corner into which Theye have painted themselves, that process now stands to serve as a revelatory mechanism such that we as a people have not seen in our lifetimes and may never see again. I reiterate that NO MATTER HOW THINGS GO, if Trump is put into office, Theye shall stand exposed in some capacity greater than ever before. For that reason alone I would suggest you forgo forgoing the process, vote for this seemingly kooky man, and let the chips fall where they may. I submit that you have NOTHING to lose by so acting, and possibly very much to lose by remaining quiescent. If Trump turns out to be SOS, we learn something of real value about Themme. If he turns out to be his own man, we could learn even more as Theye scramble to put the brakes upon the runaway train. In this, we cannot lose.
If only I could get you to see what I see. I fear I have failed on that account. All I can yet do is ask that you expand your thinking ever more broadly and make the attempt to see the opportunity that here lies to expose Themme in some meaningful way. Ask yourself "what if?" and question all of your most basic assumptions about what is happening.
Good luck.
I will once again reiterate unto everyone's nausea and desire to have me flayed alive: experiment with this. It may be a once-in-a-lifetime chance to toy with the system; to make it your personal, private laboratory by doing what is futile (voting) and casting for Trump. If what we are seeing is real, then the GOP feels the ropes on its back. If this purported "fear" of Theire's is actual and not just some made up bullshyte, then a vote for Trump is a vote toward some degree of vivisection of current political reality, because what happens thereafter would be potentially VERY telling in that respect.
I submit to you that this is your redpill/bluepill moment. Do you want the same old shyte? If so, the little blue is right there at hand. But if your curiosity has anything of life remaining in it, the redpill, too, is right there. All you need is choose. The worst that happens down the redpill path is that it proves a dud, suggesting that even Trump is a controlled, planted, or coopted political commodity. That information is, IMO, extremely valuable to anyone for whom the larger questions loom as important.
But if things are not scripted to the point my inner paranoid fears, do we not want to see how far independence can go in that office; how long it can go before it is reeled in, whether by backroom blackmail or an assassin's bullet?
If nothing else, assuming the aforementioned independence, do we not want to have shown to the nation the fact that independence is still possible in this otherwise seemingly hopeless atmosphere of political toxicity? Does a fight toward greater freedom not start with awareness and the hope that things can be better? How else might that be accomplished, by employing the usual method of insanity by doing the same old shyte?
Do not think of this as an election in sé, but an experimental opportunity that may never again come your way. As I have written in another thread, I expect NOTHING good from Trump, but am open to the most anorexic possibility that I would be proven wrong. All that aside, regardless of what happens in the wake of putting Trump in the White House, we as a people stand to gain very valuable knowledge about "the system" by putting him there, whereas we stand to gain nothing new and illuminating with the installation of any of the others.
The "Trump phenomenon" is either organic or the child of artifice. Electing him stands to show us which, which in turn stands to make clear the nature and limit of the puppet-master's hand. Would it not be a good thing to know that the metes and bounds of Theire powers were not, in fact, unlimited? Here I mean KNOWING, rather than assuming. There is a difference and it is an important one.
I contend to those who argue against a "thrown away" vote that casting for anyone other than Trump the grandstander and potential Klown-In-Chief is precisely the worst manner and degree of rubbish-binning a vote possible. The political process (voting in particular) has proven a waste of time to the goal of achieving political change as sought by liberty-oriented men. But given the apparent corner into which Theye have painted themselves, that process now stands to serve as a revelatory mechanism such that we as a people have not seen in our lifetimes and may never see again. I reiterate that NO MATTER HOW THINGS GO, if Trump is put into office, Theye shall stand exposed in some capacity greater than ever before. For that reason alone I would suggest you forgo forgoing the process, vote for this seemingly kooky man, and let the chips fall where they may. I submit that you have NOTHING to lose by so acting, and possibly very much to lose by remaining quiescent. If Trump turns out to be SOS, we learn something of real value about Themme. If he turns out to be his own man, we could learn even more as Theye scramble to put the brakes upon the runaway train. In this, we cannot lose.
If only I could get you to see what I see. I fear I have failed on that account. All I can yet do is ask that you expand your thinking ever more broadly and make the attempt to see the opportunity that here lies to expose Themme in some meaningful way. Ask yourself "what if?" and question all of your most basic assumptions about what is happening.
Good luck.
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The only way for the GOP to have a prayer in November is to fuse Trump and Cruz.
A Trump/Cruz ticket would be the closest the GOP could hope for beating Hillary, although at this point I'm not sure that would work either.
But fusing the populism, America first, trade/immigration/f.p./jobs notes of Trump, with the so-con, fiscal con (perceived), of Cruz could give the GOP a balance that just might tip the scales.
The fierce campaign vitriol right now would have to culminate in giving Trump the nod at the convention to satisfy the popular votes, with a dramatic "uniting" of the party by Trump adding Cruz to the ticket, complete with apologies/hugs/tears, blahblahblah.
Reality show gone wild. To quote, "It will be the greatest convention ever, just great. Incredible, really. Really, just the greatest."
And then the rage gets directed at Hillary.
Would I vote for such a ticket? My better judgement tells me no, but I'm a different kind of Republican.
As for what the establishment will attempt to do, the OP is a likely scenario, but it will fail in the general.
A Trump/Cruz ticket would be the closest the GOP could hope for beating Hillary, although at this point I'm not sure that would work either.
But fusing the populism, America first, trade/immigration/f.p./jobs notes of Trump, with the so-con, fiscal con (perceived), of Cruz could give the GOP a balance that just might tip the scales.
The fierce campaign vitriol right now would have to culminate in giving Trump the nod at the convention to satisfy the popular votes, with a dramatic "uniting" of the party by Trump adding Cruz to the ticket, complete with apologies/hugs/tears, blahblahblah.
Reality show gone wild. To quote, "It will be the greatest convention ever, just great. Incredible, really. Really, just the greatest."
And then the rage gets directed at Hillary.
Would I vote for such a ticket? My better judgement tells me no, but I'm a different kind of Republican.
As for what the establishment will attempt to do, the OP is a likely scenario, but it will fail in the general.
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I'll add that just this week, some of the talking heads were pushing Haley...
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If Israeli zionist and Saudi Islamic lobbies wanted to put Ryan or some other puppet in the WH to replace current puppet, can poor US voters veto their choice?
That would be a tough call.
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