The Epidemic of “Gay Marriage”

[Douglass Bartley]

The Epidemic of “Gay Marriage”

Please see http://douglassbartley.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/the-epidemic...

 

[jonhowe]

Word meanings change all the time, as quickly as the people who use them do. Hell, whole languages change.

For example, nowadays "conservative" means someone like George W. Bush!

 

[fr33]

One could make the case, easily enough, that marriage itself violates natural law.

 

[RileyE104]

One could make the case, easily enough, that marriage itself violates natural law.

I don't care for this subject but I've seen plenty of studies that actually show homosexuality occurring in nature..

One huge example would be the Macaque monkey.

 

[fr33]

I don't care for this subject but I've seen plenty of studies that actually show homosexuality occurring in nature..

One huge example would be the Macaque monkey.

Have you ever owned 2 male dogs?
And then there's another good question for the OP, are humans part of nature?

 

[Seraphim]

Voluntary association does not violate nature in any way shape or form. That is consistent for hetero and homo relationships.

One could make the case, easily enough, that marriage itself violates natural law.

 

[specsaregood]

Since the OP is the author of the piece, I dunno why he couldn't have included the text here. Guess he didn't feel it was important enough to read.

 

[fr33]

Voluntary association does not violate nature in any way shape or form. That is consistent for hetero and homo relationships.

That's a good point. Laws of nature pertaining to choices that animals make seem non-existant then.

 

[Bruno]

An epidemic of homophobia.

 

[specsaregood]

An epidemic of homophobia.

You ever been in a situation where a gay man put the hit on you? Just wondering.

 

[Bruno]

You ever been in a situation where a gay man put the hit on you? Just wondering.

Yes, a number of times. Didn't bother me because I am comfortable with my heterosexuality.

I wonder how many women have guys they are not interested in hit on them? (answer is way too many, and they deal with it)

 

[TeaPartyHistorian]

Go pimp your blog elsewhere.

 

[specsaregood]

Yes, a number of times. Didn't bother me because I am comfortable with my heterosexuality.

exactly. I'll admit I was a bit uncomfortable the time it happened and the dude grabbed my shoulders. But I said no thanks, he stopped and we both went along minding our own business.

 

[pcosmar]

You ever been in a situation where a gay man put the hit on you? Just wondering.

I have. And it is usually as simple as "no thanks,, I'm happily heterosexual".

Now in prison it is a bit different. Then you may have to bloody a nose or two.

 

[emazur]

Government shouldn't be involved in marriage. Government shouldn't be involved in doctor's licenses either, but that doesn't mean government should be able to deny them to minorities. Fortunately, it doesn't. So let the gays get their marriage licenses. Just saying the government shouldn't be involved in marriage won't go anywhere. Even if it started to gain traction, you'd be attacked for "opposing marriage" by people all across the political spectrum, probably mostly by people who are already married. You'd be about as popular as a candidate proposing that females should have to register for the military draft (BTW, Wikipedia's article on Conscription has an interesting list of countries that do require women to register or actually serve)

 

[WilliamC]

You ever been in a situation where a gay man put the hit on you? Just wondering.

Yes, and I didn't catch any gay from them either.

Homosexuality is not contagious, therefore it is not capable of causing epidemics.

Personally I'd rather be celibate than engage in sex with another man, and these days being celibate is rather easy since there don't seem to be any people of any sex interested in me.

I'm not even that interested in me anymore, damn middle age

 

[speciallyblend]

An epidemic of homophobia.

you bet

 

[speciallyblend]

Yes, and I didn't catch any gay from them either.

Homosexuality is not contagious, therefore it is not capable of causing epidemics.

Personally I'd rather be celibate than engage in sex with another man, and these days being celibate is rather easy since there don't seem to be any people of any sex interested in me.

I'm not even that interested in me anymore, damn middle age

touche , homophobes are so gay. no disrespect to gay folks! people who think being gay is a choice are really bi-sexuals choosing to be straight

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Word meanings change all the time, as quickly as the people who use them do. Hell, whole languages change.

For example, nowadays "conservative" means someone like George W. Bush!

The dirty secret is that conservative has always meant someone like George Bush.

 

[Sola_Fide]

One could make the case, easily enough, that marriage itself violates natural law.

I don't care for this subject but I've seen plenty of studies that actually show homosexuality occurring in nature..

One huge example would be the Macaque monkey.

Have you ever owned 2 male dogs?
And then there's another good question for the OP, are humans part of nature?

Voluntary association does not violate nature in any way shape or form. That is consistent for hetero and homo relationships.

There are some who think that if you are a libertarian, you can never speak out on personal moral issues. This is not the case. Even if it was, I would fight against that, because I am a Christian individual before I engage in any political theory. The Scripture is the starting point and comes before everything.


That being said, this thread is yet another example of where natural law is inadequate to give ethical advice. Actually, ethics can never be validly obtained from natural law. Why? Because conclusions of an argument can never contain more than the premises. If your argument starts with "what is", the conclusion can't be "what ought to be". To put it simply, "natural law" can end up justifying any ethic because if nature is the measure, then whatever happens in nature becomes normative ethically. Whatever "is" is right.


God's law is the standard by which the Christian man should argue for ethics. The Scripture alone is the Word of God, and it is sufficient to guide the man and therefore the society ethically. Natural law arguments are a form of creature-worship. The Christian should never use them. They're not valid logically or Biblically.