The End of the Libertarian Dream?

[Matt Collins]

Trump never would have even gotten off the ground if Rand had run a good campaign.

That's not true. No one was able to beat Trump because not only was the enviroment ready for Trump, but no one was willing to say and do what Trump did in order to win.

That being said, even if Rand had actually run a good campaign (he didn't) he wouldn't have beaten Trump. However, there is no excuse for doing as lousy as he did in Iowa.

 

[Matt Collins]

No matter what Rand did, he wouldn't be able to please the entire libertarian block because a small portion of the movement already had their minds made up about him.

Actually, if Rand had handled things differently from the beginning, such as the Romney endorsement, then most of Ron's people would have stuck with him. He did worse than Ron did in Iowa '08, which is really inexcusable.

 

[eleganz]

Trump never would have even gotten off the ground if Rand had run a good campaign. The whole "America First" platform was just sitting there for anybody to pick up. Nobody did, so Trump came in and ran with it. Rand is a guy who doesn't even believe in birthright citizenship, but voters didn't even hear about it until Trump brought it up first and that was after Rand had already convinced most GOP voters he was pro-amnesty with his wishy washy rhetoric.

This is completely delusional.

If only Rand ran a good campaign? The only good campaign is the one that wins.

 

[eleganz]

Actually, if Rand had handled things differently from the beginning, such as the Romney endorsement, then most of Ron's people would have stuck with him. He did worse than Ron did in Iowa '08, which is really inexcusable.

Equally inexcusable for someone with your supposed experience to compare the political climates of different presidential election cycles.

 

[Working Poor]

I said this a while back. If Trump pulls through on half of his platform he's getting a second term and Rand will have real shot to be President in 2024.

After Trump it will be a democrat that gets elected.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...itics-success-failure-donald-trump-era-214847

In a "where do we go from here" article on the Ron Paul liberty movement, Politico just added this gem:

The entire article is a pretty thought provoking read:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...itics-success-failure-donald-trump-era-214847

They did a story like this about Sanford a few weeks ago. Another article by Politico featuring lamentations of libertarian politicians. Divide and conquer.

 

[Matt Collins]

This is completely delusional.

If only Rand ran a good campaign? The only good campaign is the one that wins.

Yes, but "winning" doesnt always acheive electoral victory. Ron Paul won, but he didn't get elected. Rand's Presidential campaign did neither.

 

[Matt Collins]

Equally inexcusable for someone with your supposed experience to compare the political climates of different presidential election cycles.

You must have a reading comprehension problem. I never wrote that Rand was able to have won the nomination.

 

[MallsRGood]

Equally inexcusable for someone with your supposed experience to compare the political climates of different presidential election cycles.

Indeed, Trump didn't beat Rand.

ISIS and Mexicans did.

If the election had been held in 2014, President Paul would be entering his second year.

Likewise, in any other cycle, one not dominated by ultra-nationalism, Trump would've been laughed out of the room.

VP candidate in 2020?

Not if Trump's the POTUS candidate

 

[Matt Collins]

Indeed, Trump didn't beat Rand.

ISIS and Mexicans did.

If the election had been held in 2014, President Paul would be entering his second year.

LOL, you really believe that?

 

[fr33]

We might as well split into two countries. How would this happen theoretically? Without violence.

It would have to be at least 3 different countries. Probably more. I look forward to it.

 

[MallsRGood]

LOL, you really believe that?

Yes I do.

Look at the polls c. 2014 (Rand was leading them).

...The GOP was moving rapidly toward Rand on foreign policy.

...Snowden had just made the police-state very unpopular.

...The immigration issue was still dormant.

Rand was "the most interesting man in politics."

Perfect opportunity (except there was no Presidential election that year to win).

 

[Ender]

Lol - I know you don't believe this!

Trump was lifted off the ground by a media that wanted a show. It had NOTHING to do with policies. Klamath had it right in post #2. Rand was (is) trying to find serious ways to fix the country's problems. Nobody wanted seriousness. They still don't. They want to be entertained. And part of that entertainment is rooting for one team and chastising another.

Yep.

 

[KrokHead]

Thank you, down but not out!

 

[AuH20]

Yes I do.

Look at the polls c. 2014 (Rand was leading them).

...The GOP was moving rapidly toward Rand on foreign policy.

...Snowden had just made the police-state very unpopular.

...The immigration issue was still dormant.

Rand was "the most interesting man in politics."

Perfect opportunity (except there was no Presidential election that year to win).

Rand was too milquetoast to make a dent. I don't think he's too keen on human psychology.

 

[MallsRGood]

Rand was too milquetoast to make a dent. I don't think he's too keen on human psychology.

Good thing you voted for Trump then, huh?



Do you feel like you're winning and/or yuge yet?

 

[AuH20]

Good thing you voted for Trump then, huh?



Do you feel like you're winning and/or yuge yet?

Yes, Trump was the right choice due to all the incredible maneuvering behind the scenes that's arrived with his coronation. Regardless of what he does, he's likely to provoke a reaction from the hidden ones.

 

[nikcers]

Yes I do.

Look at the polls c. 2014 (Rand was leading them).

...The GOP was moving rapidly toward Rand on foreign policy.

...Snowden had just made the police-state very unpopular.

...The immigration issue was still dormant.

Rand was "the most interesting man in politics."

Perfect opportunity (except there was no Presidential election that year to win).

8 years of Obamacare meant lower class people got the stick. Most of those people had their hours cut and replaced by Hispanics that will come to work for a 3 hour shift and speak more languages. Those are the people who gave us Trump, and I don't blame anyone but democrat policies. Trump probably helped get Obamacare passed which is the ironic part.

 

[MallsRGood]

8 years of Obamacare meant lower class people got the stick. Most of those people had their hours cut and replaced by Hispanics that will come to work for a 3 hour shift and speak more languages. Those are the people who gave us Trump, and I don't blame anyone but democrat policies. Trump probably helped get Obamacare passed which is the ironic part.

An important point

Anti-immigrant hysteria wouldn't have gained any traction in a better economy.

 

[nikcers]

An important point

Anti-immigrant hysteria wouldn't have gained any traction in a better economy.

unemployments gone down though!! under 30 hours a month wherever I look for mcjobs, before Obamacare you could not stay hired if you worked less then 50 hours a month in a lot of jobs.