The effects of gold mining on Argentina's environment

emazur

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I'm pro-hard currency, but we can't ignore the environmental impact of metal mining. I've seen similar reports from NPR and Nat. Geo on Africa, here's one from Al Jazeera on Argentina. The worldwide effects of mining the "barbaric metal" vs. printing the "barbaric paper" no doubt has the paper being the greater cause of harm, but still this issue is something not to be ignored
YouTube - People & Power - People Vs. Barrick Gold - 22 July 09 - Part 1
 
Without even watching the video, I'm going to postulate that state-owned land is involved in some capacity, as is the State itself, whether directly (mining) or indirectly (leasing, permitting, or handing out mining rights on state land).

Private property rights can fix it.
 
Neither side is perfect. Mining for commodity metals always has its flaws, I would never deny that - shit, there's that whole term of "blood diamonds" - that term alone is proof to the statement that high-valued commodities can influence terrible actions among human beings. Other commodities are no different, especially if they are valued very high around the globe, and that can - and will - happen with gold.

Still, fuck fiat currency. ;) Despite the flaws, gold is still better.
 
everything (with few exceptions) in this modern era requires mined materials (if you can't grow it, it must be mined)....

Try to imagine living any aspect of your daily life without mined materials if you can.

The US congress has stated the best approach to mining in that they realize that there are adverse effects and what is sought after is to "minimize" those effects. Just as nearly every other aspect of natural resource harvesting has some type of adverse affect to the environment (and some positive ones too sometimes).....

The issue is that most companies and individuals will take the "cheapest" and most profitable course (not considering that many mines may not stay open at all and go bust and leave problems behind)
 
Without even watching the video, I'm going to postulate that state-owned land is involved in some capacity, as is the State itself, whether directly (mining) or indirectly (leasing, permitting, or handing out mining rights on state land).

Private property rights can fix it.

In this case, an Argentina mountain was put up as collateral in the 1800's by the government for a loan, and when the loan wasn't repaid it went to the foreign purchasers. It doesn't really matter that they were foreign, money men from a different part of Argentina could have purchased it and mined it. Either way, it would be a case of privatizing public land.
With the mining came toxic waste that wound up in community river systems (contaminated mining water seeped into underground water reservoirs that form rivers). Cultural heritage sites were also destroyed (how would we Americans feel if someone purchase the land with the Statue of Liberty or Mt. Rushmore and decided to destroy those monuments?). The Argentine government put a stop to it by re-nationalizing the land (so says the video). Recently, foreign miners have been looking to re-take the land, but a citizen education campaign has so far put a stop to their efforts.
I suppose one could make the case that through the court system the victims could be compensated if miners started polluting their water supply. Of course, if it was a tiny village's water supply that was being infected, and they had to pit their lawyers up against a wealthy mining company's lawyers, they'd have a tough fight and lots of expenses on their hands (and that's if they were able to prove it was the mining chemical runoff that seeped underground and wound up the village's water supply. I don't really know the know the history of tobacco litigation, but I'll bet it was a tough fight that took many years to prove smoking caused lung damage and/or cancer). And even if the little guy won, in this video they discussed how some of the environmental impacts were permanent.
I believe in the free market, but it isn't the answer to everything. For instance, I discussed in another thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=189034
how GM bought up the rail systems of 100 cities and systematically destroyed them in order to replace the trains with GM buses and cars (which helped turn LA into Smog City USA). What if a city or village decided that it would privatize its public water utilities, and a mining company had the foresight to purchase the rights to the water system? Maybe they do a decent job for a couple years, but then the mining begins and the water gets polluted. It's their own water so they don't care if it gets polluted so long as the mining profits vastly outweigh the water profits. As for the citizens they were serving, they could simply stop water service before the water became too polluted and before people started getting sick. Perhaps the effects of mining permanently poisoned the water - the citizens have lost their water source, the mountain has been destroyed, & the plants and wildlife that relied on the water have been destroyed.
 
In this case, an Argentina mountain was put up as collateral in the 1800's by the government for a loan, and when the loan wasn't repaid it went to the foreign purchasers. It doesn't really matter that they were foreign, money men from a different part of Argentina could have purchased it and mined it. Either way, it would be a case of privatizing public land.
With the mining came toxic waste that wound up in community river systems

Bingo.

(contaminated mining water seeped into underground water reservoirs that form rivers). Cultural heritage sites were also destroyed (how would we Americans feel if someone purchase the land with the Statue of Liberty or Mt. Rushmore and decided to destroy those monuments?). The Argentine government put a stop to it by re-nationalizing the land (so says the video).

Bad move.

I believe in the free market, but it isn't the answer to everything.

Translation: freedom isn't the answer to everything.

Wrong. Freedom and private property rights are the only ethical and efficient means of solving problems and allocating resources.

For instance, I discussed in another thread:
[url]http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=189034[/URL]
how GM bought up the rail systems of 100 cities and systematically destroyed them in order to replace the trains with GM buses and cars (which helped turn LA into Smog City USA).

Yeah, because GM is just a bastion of free market principles, ain't it? :rolleyes:
 
What difference does it make if the toxic waste of a private company went a local publicly owned water system or if 1 individual owned all the water and sold it to the community? Saying 'bingo' doesn't change the effect that the water would be polluted. Here the public is fighting the pollution, just as a private individual would do.
As for the 'bad move', if China purchased Long Island (all private citizens got money for their privately owned lands, state and local government was also paid) and set up an industry that poisoned the rest of New York, and they didn't give a shit about it, would it be a bad move re-nationalize Long Island?
And yes, GM did purchase those rail systems in a hundred cities under the free market and destroyed them and replaced them with buses and cars, and helped create smog city. The current Government Motors can't be blamed for that
 
Have you ever considered the amount of material that washes down all the rivers on the planet on a daily basis? Have you ever considered the amount of material that erodes from all the coastline of the planets oceans and lakes? The planet is dynamic and the mine you are referencing is not even a scratch on the surface of the planet. Hell meteors have done more damage than that mine.
 
That's true, but we could forget about any notions of saving the planet here and focus on how mining directly effects a community's drinking water and living standards (and to a lesser extent, the effect on plant and wildlife - I know people have different ideas about that but it's important to me). If someone purchased a mountain nearby where you lived, and the mining activity poisoned your city's drinking water, you wouldn't be too happy about it, though hopefully you and/or the area's citizens could lawfully intervene before things got too bad. But if the same mining company purchased the rights from the city to provide your drinking water in advance, knowing full well that their planned mining activity would later poison (perhaps permanently) the area's water supply, but the owners could completely cut off everyone's water (to avoid lawsuits) before illness started to effect the people, you probably couldn't help but feel betrayed
 
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