The Economist mag: US in Depression not Recession.

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The Economist: U.S. In Depression, Not Recession

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 2, 2008

Renowned financial publication The Economist reports that, based on the characteristics of the current financial crisis, the U.S. is in a depression, not a recession.

The Economist piece makes the argument that the current crisis is far closer to a depression than a recession and that the only question remaining is how deep the downturn will be.

The admission marks the first time that a major international financial news outlet has acknowledged that the scale of the economic mess is unlike anything seen in recent decades.

Under the headline, Diagnosing depression, the article asks, “What is the difference between a recession and a depression?”

A depression is characterized by “falling asset prices, a credit crunch and deflation,” according to the article, all factors that we see unfolding in the current crisis.

“A depression is the result of a bursting asset and credit bubble, a contraction in credit, and a decline in the general price level,” according to the article. “In the Great Depression average prices in America fell by one-quarter, and nominal GDP ended up shrinking by almost half.”

Fast forward to the start of 2009 and house prices have fallen by at least 17 per cent over the last two years with that number only set to plunge further over the coming 18 months. Overall, American homeowners have lost $2 trillion of equity during what has become the worst housing slump since World War II.

U.S. GDP in the fourth quarter last year fell an estimated six per cent, but that number is expected to accelerate through 2009.

The piece also states that assurances from economists who say that a repeat of the 1930’s is impossible “because policymakers are unlikely to repeat the mistakes of the past,” are coming from the same people who confidently predicted that “a nationwide fall in American house prices was impossible and that financial innovation had made the financial system more resilient.”

The Economist piece makes the argument that the current crisis is far closer to a depression than a recession and that the only question remaining is how deep the downturn will be.
 
The piece also states that assurances from economists who say that a repeat of the 1930’s is impossible“because policymakers are unlikely to repeat the mistakes of the past,
Exactly, they are making bigger dumber mistakes. So of course it's not going to be a repeat of the 1930's. Its gonna be much worse!
 
And that empty suit Obama is presiding over it

A depression left to him by the chimpus maximus. Of course we are in a depression, the numbers have not been seen since the last one. Layoffs just need to catch up for John Q to see it and gubmint workers need to feel the pinch. The tax receipts are a dwindling fast.
 
The Economist piece makes the argument that the current crisis is far closer to a depression than a recession and that the only question remaining is how deep the downturn will be.

Nah, there are other important questions as well.

2) How LONG will the downturn be.

3) Will the Fed & the Treasury utterly destroy the dollar (and thus all the "capital" of all of the frugal savers within the United States) -- along the way.

4) Will the incoming administration make matters even worse (longer, deeper, and more destructive -- this last in both financial, economic, AND literal physical terms).

5) Will the United States even continue to exist in any recognizable form during the later stages of this downturn, and what type of civilization (if any) will emerge from the other side.

Depth is, after all, just one dimension.
 
3) Will the Fed & the Treasury utterly destroy the dollar (and thus all the "capital" of all of the frugal savers within the United States) -- along the way.

I can't see any way this will not happen.
 
What technically is a depression?

A depression is characterized by “falling asset prices, a credit crunch and deflation,” according to the article, all factors that we see unfolding in the current crisis.

Honestly, there is no hard and fast answer to that question.

Maybe six quarters of negative GDP growth?
 
At this point how can you assume we are in a depression using government figures, which are severely corrupted?

We are in a depression. I don't need an economist to tell me, I can tell you we are heading into a collapse. What constitutes a collapse?LOL
 
I still don't think we'll have a full out collapse, just a depression and Americas "Lost Decade".
 
When your neighbor gets layed off it's a recession.

When you get laid off it's a depression.
 
well, if it is a repeat, then hopefully Obama will be the next Herbert Hoover...and the President we get after him will be the total opposite of FDR.

I don't think it's likely...but one can hope.
 
The piece also states that assurances from economists who say that a repeat of the 1930’s is impossible“because policymakers are unlikely to repeat the mistakes of the past,
Exactly, they are making bigger dumber mistakes. So of course it's not going to be a repeat of the 1930's. Its gonna be much worse!

couldn't have said it better.

but to say we are in a depression now could mean only a few things.
1. to desensitize us
2. to ridicule aluminum foil hatters
3. to ready us for policy changes
 
well, if it is a repeat, then hopefully Obama will be the next Herbert Hoover...and the President we get after him will be the total opposite of FDR.

I don't think it's likely...but one can hope.

we should put you on the derivatives market.
 
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