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Of course we want his supporters votes, no matter how stupid they may be.
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Of course we want his supporters votes, no matter how stupid they may be.
oh boy, hope the poster above you is trolling.
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I believe most could not understand that folks would support someone whose record was the exact opposite. Surely as someone who opposes Romney, you can understand....
My apologies if some rude things were said in a political contest where we've been treated far worse (I'm sure not all Santroum supporters are innocent of this either), but maybe that gives you an idea of why there was some animosity about how Dr. Paul was shunned by the party in favor of those who do not vote with their rhetoric, while his 30 year record as a true conservative stands on it's own.
If Dr. Paul's platform is not acceptable to you or you have any questions, feel free to ask them, but we're not going over to the Santorum forum and causing trouble, so we ask for the same respect.
Lol. Sadly you are correct.
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Please don't feed the troll. Things get said in a political contest, but we realize that it's all just good-hearted people, regardless of our disagreements and animosity in a contest..
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No, we want you to donate, too. There's a moneybomb coming up!
Troll or not, he speaks truth.
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Okay, well jsut so I can make it abundantly clear to you too, no one referred to them in that way because we actually know them, their intelligence level, or even reasoning for supporting Santroum. It was because people disputed the candidate they were rallying behind (who frankly has sold them a bunch of bull in his rhetoric, as his record is the opposite). To turn it into a personal attack is just convenient trolling on his part.
There's absolutely nothing personal about it, so please don't contribute to painting it that way... Of course everyone will change their opinion about them if they're open to at least considering Dr. Paul as a second choice, regardless of who they chose first and for what reason.
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Originally Posted by undecidedsantorumfan View Post
Didn't this forum always trash Santorum. Call him #%@!%, called his supporters stupid. Questioned how they could support Santorum. Now they want his supporters votes?
If your vote is dependent on your pride or hurt feelings then you are part of the problem...especially in this critical election.
Didn't this forum always trash Santorum. Call him #%@!%, called his supporters stupid. Questioned how they could support Santorum. Now they want his supporters votes?
If your vote is dependent on your pride or hurt feelings then you are part of the problem...especially in this critical election.
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Those Santorum voters were probably not going to vote anyway by now, because of sensing Romney was inevitable, even if Rick stayed in. The absense of Santorum from the race is a null factor at this point, as his real impact on the primaries was to act as a shunt to deposit non-Romney votes that might have otherwise have gone to Paul. If Newt and/or Rick had dropped in January when they knowingly lacked the resources to run a national race against Romney, Paul would have consistently gotten about 40% or more of the primary or caucus vote, and certainly would have won several of the beauty contests, and upfront would have won a larger apparent amount of delegates in the proportional states.
That performance, translated to 40% or more of the apparent delegates, could have given Paul the momentum to easily frustrate Romney from getting the 1144 needed to clinch. This is why the establishment made sure Newt and Rick stayed in to run resistance for Mitt. The point was not merely to deny Paul from winning states outright, but to stop the only nationally organized opposition to Romney from ever getting consistent momentum and media coverage. The use of the lackluster candidates who could not win nationally was to provide the MSM cover for never treating Paul like a first tier threat to Mitt (and ultimately, to black him out altogether). It allowed reporters to assert "of course we're not covering Paul seriously, hey, he can't win a state!" and other self-fulfilling laments.
Now that their primary job in robbing Paul of vote victories, momentum and top tier media coverage is over, as Romney now has a formidable lead going into mostly winner take all states, Santorum and Gingrich are quitting on cue or reconciling themselves with Mitt, just as I (last month) predicted they would by this point. The tycoons who 'suddenly' emerged in January to breathe financial life into the two's cashless candidacies have similarly just as 'suddenly' shut their wallets, indicating their role in protecting Romney from Paul by funding Newt/Rick was also orchestrated.
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something to happen would be that all santorums support flows to RP and makes a brokered convention happen...then santorum could still play
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what happens to the Texas debate now ? earlier Santorum, Dr.Paul and Gingrich had confirmed to go in it ?
I wonder if the Romney campaign has started courting former Santorum delegates yet. If our campaign isn't doing the same we'd better get on top of that *immediately*. We should have a targeted mailing talking about the awesome cooperation between the Santorum and Paul campaigns in Washington to keep Romney from getting any delegates, and build the believe that now Santorum supporters can help Ron Paul ensure Romney doesn't get any delegates.
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I don't know if Romney will even need to do that, without major opposition Romney should be able to secure enough delegates to win on the first ballot. There are 1053 delegates remaining, all but PA's 72 and a handful of "super delegates" are bound. Romney has around 550 bound delegates already, so he only needs to pick up about 50% of the remaining delegates (and that is assuming he gets none of the unbound delegates from IA, MN, ME, etc, which we know he will get many of those).
To put it simply, Paul basically has one last shot to turn this around, but he needs to do so by the 24th. Paul needs to win a primary state outright, otherwise it is going to be mathematically impossible for him to win 1144.
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There wont be a debate. If you were Romney whats left to debate? So you can give the daily show more talking points?
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This has been a crazy election, I think unkind words were said by all to everyone. You'd have to be naive to think they didn't say the same things about us.
Santorum's supporters were by and large social conservatives. Its my opinion that a social conservative wants smaller government unless its about the social interests they have. I politically land closer to social conservatives then I do for hard core libertarians but I see value in both.
In my opinion if we're to pick up much of anything from Santorum supporters it would be for smaller government and states rights. That gives the states, which are a better representation of their voters an opportunity to be social conservative if the populous wants laws that way in their respective states.
I came to Dr. Paul for his fiscal policy stance. I agree with his foreign policy, but less so for the reasons he uses and more so for the simple fact we can't afford it anymore. It is my opinion that those who dislike Dr. Paul for his foreign policies dislike it because its 180 degree difference of what has become business as usual. To get them to like Dr. Paul's foreign policies they have to come to the realization that to continue to fight is the last nail in the coffin for us economically. Fighting = do not pass go do not collect $200, game over.
You really aren't giving enough credit to the other candidates. Running for President is truly difficult and Santorum has been running literally for years. Even before Ron Paul was running Santorum was asking people for their support in New Hampshire and in Iowa. Gingrich is a bit of an egomaniac who has really hurt himself with many members of the elite (both supporters of Romney, of Santorum, and those who don't really care about any of the candidates but just want the race over), so he hasn't helped himself in any way, shape, or form.
And you have to remember that if Santorum won Michigan he could well have become the front-runner. That was the closest anyone got to actually defeating Romney. Finally, this primary process has been on the whole horrible for Romney- had Santorum dropped out after Nevada the race would have been long over by now, as Romney had serious momentum and a damaged front-rival in Newt to contend with.
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Well, that was fun, wading through that whole thread.
Glad all this nonsense effects me not a whit.
Because, you see, it gets very simple when you just say:
To Hell With Them All - No One But Paul
Glad all this nonsense effects me not a whit.
Because, you see, it gets very simple when you just say:
To Hell With Them All - No One But Paul
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