The Decline And Fall of the Liberty Movement, Illustrated

[Jamesiv1]

Why do people keep bringing up the liberty movement? Absolutely none of the discussion going on here has anything to do with liberty. You have people pointing out how Trump is no different from those that came before him. You have Trump's fanatics saying it is all part of a master plan of deception. The Trumphumpers get triggered by the accusations, and everyone else just gets fed up with their eruptions afterward. Trump has proposed nothing that is friendly to liberty, he didn't run on a platform to increase liberty, he doesn't give a fuck about liberty.

You sound like a dope-smoking hippy that hasn't had a bath in a month, sitting on the couch taking bong hits and pissing bullshit about real Americans.

Here's a buck. Buy some soap and take a bath, hippy.

 

[RJB]

Reported back, biatch.

It looks like we fought the war to end all wars. It looks like no one but James has the balls to continue on.

 

[thoughtomator]

Some of you guys take things way to personal. If you disagree with someone, big deal. These forums are for debating not arguing. I see some people carrying bad feelings from one thread and unloading on another. That boggles my mind. I've simultaneously had screaming matches with Christianliberty on one thread and a cordial discussion on another. I wish we could all go out and I could buy y'all a beer.

That's what is really killing this place.

The creation of this state of affairs here was absolutely 100% intentional (complete with confession by the ringleader).

At a certain level of bad blood, and the absence of the tiniest scintilla of remorse by the perpetrators, there is no reconciliation possible.

And make no mistake about it - that bad blood was purposely created by one specific set of users here.

 

[RJB]

The creation of this state of affairs here was absolutely 100% intentional (complete with confession by the ringleader).

At a certain level of bad blood, and the absence of the tiniest scintilla of remorse by the perpetrators, there is no reconciliation possible.

And make no mistake about it - that bad blood was purposely created by one specific set of users here.

Meh, just don't hold a grudge. Act like a woman. You don't see Lucille or Suzanimal getting overly emotional like a lot of men on the forum.

 

[The Gold Standard]

And make no mistake about it - that bad blood was purposely created by one specific set of users here.

Exactly. The filthy anarchists. We finally won our liberty and they just want to take it away.

 

[thoughtomator]

Meh, just don't hold a grudge. Act like a woman. You don't see Lucille or Suzanimal getting overly emotional.

I didn't work my ass off for liberty all these years just to give deliberate saboteurs a pass on intentionally wrecking the movement.

I will diligently work for the rest of my life to make sure anyone professing adherence to any form of anarchism is purged from any political organization or movement in which I will have influence, and to warn others of the damage that those who tolerate them will inevitably suffer.

No matter how broadly I may agree with them on many conclusion-principles (their reasoning is terrible but that's another topic), it has been proven without a reasonable doubt that any organization with an anarchist in it is going to be less useful and effective than those with none.

So if you want any progress towards liberty in your lifetime, it is all but compulsory to start by identifying anarchists and purge them from the political system.

 

[thoughtomator]

Exactly. The filthy anarchists. We finally won our liberty and they just want to take it away.

Golly gee. Where would anarchism be without the natural right to limitlessly shit on someone else's property?

 

[CCTelander]

Exactly. The filthy anarchists. We finally won our liberty and they just want to take it away.

Burn the witches!!!

 

[phill4paul]

I didn't work my ass off for liberty all these years just to give deliberate saboteurs a pass on intentionally wrecking the movement.

I will diligently work for the rest of my life to make sure anyone professing adherence to any form of anarchism is purged from any political organization or movement in which I will have influence, and to warn others of the damage that those who tolerate them will inevitably suffer.

No matter how broadly I may agree with them on many conclusion-principles (their reasoning is terrible but that's another topic), it has been proven without a reasonable doubt that any organization with an anarchist in it is going to be less useful and effective than those with none.

So if you want any progress towards liberty in your lifetime, it is all but compulsory to start by identifying anarchists and purge them from the political system.

Yawn.

 

[fisharmor]

Yawn.

He takes an awful lot of credit for a dead movement which changed precisely nothing.

 

[Ender]

Some of you guys take things way to personal. If you disagree with someone, big deal. These forums are for debating not arguing. I see some people carrying bad feelings from one thread and unloading on another. That boggles my mind. I've simultaneously had screaming matches with Christianliberty on one thread and a cordial discussion on another. I wish we could all go out and I could buy y'all a beer.

That's what is really killing this place.

ON. THE. NOSE.

All the name-calling, neg repping, and finger-pointing has really gotten out of hand.

Can we just STOP?

 

[Ender]

I didn't work my ass off for liberty all these years just to give deliberate saboteurs a pass on intentionally wrecking the movement.

I will diligently work for the rest of my life to make sure anyone professing adherence to any form of anarchism is purged from any political organization or movement in which I will have influence, and to warn others of the damage that those who tolerate them will inevitably suffer.

No matter how broadly I may agree with them on many conclusion-principles (their reasoning is terrible but that's another topic), it has been proven without a reasonable doubt that any organization with an anarchist in it is going to be less useful and effective than those with none.

So if you want any progress towards liberty in your lifetime, it is all but compulsory to start by identifying anarchists and purge them from the political system.

Murray Rothbard

Society Without a State

By Murray N. Rothbard

Murray Rothbard delivered this talk 32 years ago at the American Society for Political and Legal Philosophy (ASPLP), Washington, DC: December 28, 1974. It was first published in The Libertarian Forum, volume 7.1, January 1975, available in PDF.

In attempting to outline how a “society without a state” – that is, an anarchist society – might function successfully, I would first like to defuse two common but mistaken criticisms of this approach. First, is the argument that in providing for such defense or protection services as courts, police, or even law itself, I am simply smuggling the state back into society in another form, and that therefore the system I am both analyzing and advocating is not “really” anarchism.

This sort of criticism can only involve us in an endless and arid dispute over semantics. Let me say from the beginning that I define the state as that institution which possesses one or both (almost always both) of the following properties: (1) it acquires its income by the physical coercion known as “taxation”; and (2) it asserts and usually obtains a coerced monopoly of the provision of defense service (police and courts) over a given territorial area. An institution not possessing either of these properties is not and cannot be, in accordance with my definition, a state.

On the other hand, I define anarchist society as one where there is no legal possibility for coercive aggression against the person or property of an individual. Anarchists oppose the state because it has its very being in such aggression, namely, the expropriation of private property through taxation, the coercive exclusion of other providers of defense service from its territory, and all of the other depredations and coercions that are built upon these twin foci of invasions of individual rights.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/how-anarchism-can-work/

^^THIS^^ is true anarchism and we do not want to purge it.

 

[CCTelander]

He takes an awful lot of credit for a dead movement which changed precisely nothing.

That's because those goddamned anarchists have ruined everything. If we could just purge those asshats we'd hacve liberty restored in a decade. Two, tops.

What a petulant child.

 

[Origanalist]

I didn't work my ass off for liberty all these years just to give deliberate saboteurs a pass on intentionally wrecking the movement.

I will diligently work for the rest of my life to make sure anyone professing adherence to any form of anarchism is purged from any political organization or movement in which I will have influence, and to warn others of the damage that those who tolerate them will inevitably suffer.

No matter how broadly I may agree with them on many conclusion-principles (their reasoning is terrible but that's another topic), it has been proven without a reasonable doubt that any organization with an anarchist in it is going to be less useful and effective than those with none.

So if you want any progress towards liberty in your lifetime, it is all but compulsory to start by identifying anarchists and purge them from the political system.

So....it's meltdown time again?

 

[CCTelander]

So....it's meltdown time again?

Nothing says "Liberty!" like a good, old fashioned purge.

Amirite?

 

[Origanalist]

Nothing says "Liberty!" like a good, old fashioned purge.

Amirite?

Uncle Joe knows.

 

[CCTelander]

Uncle Joe knows.

I'd +rep you if I could.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Regarding the dearly departed thoughtomator's anti-anarchist screed...

From the perspective of a pragmatic minarchist, ancaps do tend to be a problem: not because of their principles, but because they tend to be purists when it comes to practical efforts to realize those principles, to a degree that's counterproductive (we all have our litmus tests, but some are unreasonably strict). Some ancaps are like this, some aren't, as we see here on RPF (e.g. some supported Rand, some didn't); nor is this a problem unique to anarchism (though of libertarians afflicted, a disproportionate number are ancaps). But if ancaps are a problem, they're a relatively minor one: that fly that keep landing on your neck. It's the giant, retarded, Messicun-hating, orange toupeed gorilla in the room which is the real problem facing the liberty movement at the moment.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

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[Occam's Banana]

I'd +rep you if I could.

Covered.

I didn't work my ass off for liberty all these years just to give deliberate saboteurs a pass on intentionally wrecking the movement.

I will diligently work for the rest of my life to make sure anyone professing adherence to any form of anarchism is purged from any political organization or movement in which I will have influence, and to warn others of the damage that those who tolerate them will inevitably suffer.

No matter how broadly I may agree with them on many conclusion-principles (their reasoning is terrible but that's another topic), it has been proven without a reasonable doubt that any organization with an anarchist in it is going to be less useful and effective than those with none.

So if you want any progress towards liberty in your lifetime, it is all but compulsory to start by identifying anarchists and purge them from the political system.

LOL. Sure. Okay ... "Please don't throw us into the briar patch, Brer Fox!" LOL ...

"I've got you this time, Brer Rabbit," said Brer Fox, jumping up and shaking off the dust. "You've sassed me for the very last time. Now I wonder what I should do with you?"

Brer Rabbit's eyes got very large. "Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

"Maybe I should roast you over a fire and eat you," mused Brer Fox. "No, that's too much trouble. Maybe I'll hang you instead."

"Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," said Brer Rabbit. "Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

"If I'm going to hang you, I'll need some string," said Brer Fox. "And I don't have any string handy. But the stream's not far away, so maybe I'll drown you instead."

"Drown me! Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," said Brer Rabbit. "Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

"The briar patch, eh?" said Brer Fox. "What a wonderful idea! You'll be torn into little pieces!"

Grabbing up the tar-covered rabbit, Brer Fox swung him around and around and then flung him head over heels into the briar patch. Brer Rabbit let out such a scream as he fell that all of Brer Fox's fur stood straight up. Brer Rabbit fell into the briar bushes with a crash and a mighty thump. Then there was silence.

Brer Fox cocked one ear toward the briar patch, listening for whimpers of pain. But he heard nothing. Brer Fox cocked the other ear toward the briar patch, listening for Brer Rabbit's death rattle. He heard nothing.

Then Brer Fox heard someone calling his name. He turned around and looked up the hill. Brer Rabbit was sitting on a log combing the tar out of his fur with a wood chip and looking smug.

"I was bred and born in the briar patch, Brer Fox," he called. "Born and bred in the briar patch."

And Brer Rabbit skipped away as merry as a cricket while Brer Fox ground his teeth in rage and went home.

-- from "Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby" as retold by S.E. Schlosser​