The Decline And Fall of the Liberty Movement, Illustrated

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[fisharmor]

I still find it interesting that as it was happening there were plenty of us pissed off at the time because Ron had not suspended his campaign, yet we are expected to remember things differently from how they were.
I read a book once about altering history being vital to keeping the status quo.

 

[fisharmor]

I also find it interesting that we're still expected to accept the endorsement because Rand had to play the game to get anywhere, yet the president elect is a man who didn't even recognize that there was a game.

So yeah, it makes sense that people who can't comprehend that are still carping on how Rand is our savior.

 

[nikcers]

I also find it interesting that we're still expected to accept the endorsement because Rand had to play the game to get anywhere, yet the president elect is a man who didn't even recognize that there was a game.

So yeah, it makes sense that people who can't comprehend that are still carping on how Rand is our savior.

Trump is either playing the game, or a neocon puppet. How else do you explain Bolten or Giuliani ?

 

[UWDude]

Trump is either playing the game, or a neocon puppet. How else do you explain Bolten or Giuliani ?

FUD

 

[Mordan]

Trump is either playing the game, or a neocon puppet. How else do you explain Bolten or Giuliani ?

5D chessing you. CTR.

 

[Mordan]

OP. The liberty movement was destroyed by Purists who abused everyone that didn't fit the mold. I saw that in 2008.

I find myself sometimes a sinner in that regard. My apologies.

 

[Nye]

Trump is either playing the game, or a neocon puppet. How else do you explain Bolten or Giuliani ?

You can't. How can you justify the names for Sec of State that have been floating around?

 

[Todd]

I also find it interesting that we're still expected to accept the endorsement because Rand had to play the game to get anywhere, yet the president elect is a man who didn't even recognize that there was a game.

So yeah, it makes sense that people who can't comprehend that are still carping on how Rand is our savior.

Trumps personality and status and wallet had a whole lot to do with how much he could ignore the game. You can't just pick a doctor from Kentucky with average charisma for that job and expect same results. Totally different set of circumstances. I get what you are saying.

 

[scm]

OP. The liberty movement was destroyed by Purists who abused everyone that didn't fit the mold. I saw that in 2008.

I find myself sometimes a sinner in that regard. My apologies.

So you went completely the wrong way in picking you next choice.



Sorry but the movement died in 2012, need a recap.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

+rep

 

[Cleaner44]

Maybe just maybe Trump doesn't have anything to do with any liberty movement.

If there is anyone here that thinks Trump is libertarian, please speak up so we can discuss that idea.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Maybe just maybe Trump doesn't have anything to do with any liberty movement.

If there is anyone here that thinks Trump is libertarian, please speak up so we can discuss that idea.

Not only is he not libertarian he's now appointing all the usual criminals to all his cabinet positions...

 

[Cleaner44]

Not only is he not libertarian he's now appointing all the usual criminals to all his cabinet positions...

I would imagine that many people that will be working in his administration will be known people and none of them will be from the Lew Rockwell circle. I would also imagine that almost anyone with a resume that fits these positions is going to be compromised to some degree. Probably the best we can hope for a Republican administration that adheres to at least a portion of their platform.

He is also the first President that I know of that has said anything critical of the Federal Reserve and I welcome that. I wonder if he has ever read End The Fed.

Edit:
This seems encouraging on the surface:
Pence removing lobbyists from Trump transition team
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/pence-removing-lobbyists-from-trump-transition-team.html

 

[fisharmor]

Not only is he not libertarian he's now appointing all the usual criminals to all his cabinet positions...

I don't place a whole lot of importance on his cabinet picks. AFAIK he never said a thing about reducing the size, role, or budget of any federal departments. As a man who has run large organizations before, he's probably just looking for effective administrators who will work within whatever guidelines he sets, and will probably just fire anyone who doesn't follow his guidelines.
Even though they're cabinet positions, they're still jobs, and if they don't do them the way he wants, he's going to get rid of them.

That is why some people, like me, place more importance on consistency, coherence, and dogma in the head of state, particularly in election season. The danger isn't in John Bolton getting a job. The danger is that we frankly have no idea what Trump is going to mandate John Bolton to do.

 

[fisharmor]

He is also the first President that I know of that has said anything critical of the Federal Reserve and I welcome that. I wonder if he has ever read End The Fed.

The man owns a real estate empire. Considering how Fed action and inaction directly correlates to mortgage rates, I don't consider it a possibility that he doesn't know exactly what the Fed does and fully condones at least part of it.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The man owns a real estate empire. Considering how Fed action and inaction directly correlates to mortgage rates, I don't consider it a possibility that he doesn't know exactly what the Fed does and fully condones at least part of it.

Sure. Trump obviously loves manipulating interest. He affirms it with trade policy and domestic policy.

 

[TheCount]

He is also the first President that I know of that has said anything critical of the Federal Reserve and I welcome that.

Another convenient case of forgetting everything Trump has ever said in favor of one time where he said one critical thing at a crucial point of the election in order to shore up support for his candidacy.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OP. The liberty movement was destroyed by Purists who abused everyone that didn't fit the mold. I saw that in 2008.

I find myself sometimes a sinner in that regard. My apologies.

A libertarian choosing liberty over tyranny is not being a "purist," they are simply being a "libertarian." Anyone who actually wants Trump is not a libertarian, they are an authoritarian. You don't get to claim that a Catholic is a "purist" because they won't drink the blood from a demonic sacrifice.

 

[Athan]

A libertarian choosing liberty over tyranny is not being a "purist," they are simply being a "libertarian." Anyone who actually wants Trump is not a libertarian, they are an authoritarian. You don't get to claim that a Catholic is a "purist" because they won't drink the blood from a demonic sacrifice.

Yeah, but both sides are arguing about a dude who hasn't even been inaugurated, and by ALL accounts was better than Hillary (unless you believed civil war and WW3 was a better alternative which I can understand). It's utter madness over semantics and hypotheticals. This forum's members are crippling each other over unformulated thoughts and theories. The divide is gaining enough momentum to permanently cripple the liberty movement in the future.

I thought it was just gary johnson and bill weld being f*cking idiots sabotaging the libertarian party. This sh*t however is more serious and entrenched than even I imagined. Ron Paul supporters themselves are in disarray. I mean Gunny, you used to be one of the more awesome posters I remember years ago. Now you are simply part of the division over he said she said. At a time when the media and neocons are in route, the intelligence community in revolt against entrenched political orders, there is only unfocused squabbling over each other's point of view on current events.

Utter f*cking maddness. What the hell happened? Is what is going on in Ron Paul Forums mirrored everywhere else in the liberty movement?