The damage is done, the media did its job

[j6p]

Stop Nit Picking

 

[ceakins]

Well, it hasn't blown over for me. I am having serious reservations about campaigning for Ron Paul now. I can now longer tell people Ron Paul is an upstanding man. He is in many ways, but he's had an obvious moral failing with not policing his own newsletter for years when it put out vile commentary under his own name. I may resign from my campaign positions over this.

Obviously you're clueless about a doctors schedule. Those babies always come out on schedule at an appointment. I'd assume you're more educated than that, since you claim to be a lawyer.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

all we need to do is keep going.

they have no real leg to stand on here and they know it.
we just need to make some bigger news.

 

[ChicagoLawyer]

The reason I am upset about this now, and was not before this week, was that before it seemed like it was in one or two newletters from 1992. I understand how a ghostwritter could put offensive remarks in one or two that Dr. Paul overlooked.

But now that TNR story is out, I know that's not what happened. These newsletters went out with this shit in them for a number of years. Would any of you allow a newsletter to go out under your own name for years and not look at them? Please. I'm sure Dr. Paul at least reviewed some of them, at least after they went out. And after he saw this vile stuff he should have fired or at least reprimanded the offender(s) (and found out who they were!) and put a stop to the practice. He didn't, or if he did it wasn't for a number of years.

I still plan on voting for Dr. Paul because he's the candidate with the closest views (by far) to mine. But I'm not sure if I can campaign for him because when you campaign for someone you tell voters "Vote for this guy because he's an upstanding man." I could say "vote for this guy because his views are great" and then when they ask me about his character say "well, he really fucked up with this newsletter he had, but he's now kind of apologized" but that won't be terribly effective, will it?

You guys may not realize it now, but this story may have rolled-back much of the good that Dr. Paul's campaign has done for the freedom movement. I've been in this movement for 15 years, and I've spend many many hours and dollars and family strain on Dr. Paul's campaign. But for the last 72 hours I've been about as low about politics as I've ever been. I'm disappointed in Ron Paul and his staff and I'm disappointed that this chance to help bring back liberty in our lifetimes has suffered a large (but not fatal, I hope) blow.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

Well, it hasn't blown over for me. I am having serious reservations about campaigning for Ron Paul now. I can now longer tell people Ron Paul is an upstanding man. He is in many ways, but he's had an obvious moral failing with not policing his own newsletter for years when it put out vile commentary under his own name. I may resign from my campaign positions over this.

It obvious you don't understand his message or the man if you're that easily swayed by his enemies.

course, I'm sure you've never been to busy to control everything in your life and you have a lot of experience running a newsletter.

If it has rolled back any good we've done it's only because people who supported him weren't real supporters anyway. in which case we haven't lost much.

I'd be ashamed to let the media control my thoughts on Dr. Paul.

 

[me3]

You guys may not realize it now, but this story may have rolled-back much of the good that Dr. Paul's campaign has done for the freedom movement. I've been in this movement for 15 years, and I've spend many many hours and dollars and family strain on Dr. Paul's campaign. But for the last 72 hours I've been about as low about politics as I've ever been. I'm disappointed in Ron Paul and his staff and I'm disappointed that this chance to help bring back liberty in our lifetimes has suffered a large (but not fatal, I hope) blow.

This isn't unreasonable. I spent at least a day feeling ill and confused. It's been a tough week.

I knew about the newsletters, but not the volume of them, the length of time they ran, and some of the more personalized aspects of them.

But the question is, how do we move on? Even naming names right now, might not help. It's unfortunate, but we'll have to grin and bear it.

One thing is sure. This is a big wakeup call to anyone who is a political neophyte.

 

[ChicagoLawyer]

It obvious you don't understand his message or the man if you're that easily swayed by his enemies.

course, I'm sure you've never been to busy to control everything in your life and you have a lot of experience running a newsletter.

If it has rolled back any good we've done it's only because people who supported him weren't real supporters anyway. in which case we haven't lost much.

I'd be ashamed to let the media control my thoughts on Dr. Paul.

If it came out that Dr. Paul was actually an embezzler of his patient's money would that make you rethink your support? He of course isn't an embezzler, but the point is our support for him shouldn't be blind faith, it should be based on his ideas and his character. Even with this story he still may have the strongest character of all the candidates. None of them should be exactly proud of their entire past. But because it's on the issue of race it gives me pause because what was (1) in his own newsletters (2) under his own name (3) for a number of years was antithetical to the reason I support him.

I'd be ashamed to let my own blind faith in a candidate control my thoughts about him. I wish this shit had never happened, but it did and each of us has to deal with its moral implications.

 

[RPSignbomb]

It obvious you don't understand his message or the man if you're that easily swayed by his enemies.

course, I'm sure you've never been to busy to control everything in your life and you have a lot of experience running a newsletter.

If it has rolled back any good we've done it's only because people who supported him weren't real supporters anyway. in which case we haven't lost much.

I'd be ashamed to let the media control my thoughts on Dr. Paul.

lolololololol -- if a Romeny or McCain Newsletter had contained the same stuff you would be crushing them. ADMIT IT!

 

[ThePieSwindler]

If it came out that Dr. Paul was actually an embezzler of his patient's money would that make you rethink your support? He of course isn't an embezzler, but the point is our support for him shouldn't be blind faith, it should be based on his ideas and his character. Even with this story he still may have the strongest character of all the candidates. None of them should be exactly proud of their entire past. But because it's on the issue of race it gives me pause because what was (1) in his own newsletters (2) under his own name (3) for a number of years was antithetical to the reason I support him.

I'd be ashamed to let my own blind faith in a candidate control my thoughts about him. I wish this shit had never happened, but it did and each of us has to deal with its moral implications.

Agreed. Although i am certainly not dropping my support of the campaign, the emotions you feel are very understandable. Ron Paul is certainly not a racist, and i trust he is a good guy, but why these were ever published bothers me. I believe him when he says he doesnt know much about it, but still something bother me. In all honesty, i dont even think thsoe pieces are as "racist" as many are making them out to be, just very un-PC, but thats no excuse for what 90% of people would see otherwise. Its a sticky situation, i think its hypocritical that the media highlights it yet lets threats to wipe a nation or a religion or a people off the face of the earth slide, but apparently black people are more in the spotlight when it comes to racism than everyone else.

This whole situation frustrates me. I still support Dr. Paul, i will still campaign for him. But this has bothered me, and i understand your emotions.

 

[Stealth4]

Well, it hasn't blown over for me. I am having serious reservations about campaigning for Ron Paul now. I can now longer tell people Ron Paul is an upstanding man. He is in many ways, but he's had an obvious moral failing with not policing his own newsletter for years when it put out vile commentary under his own name. I may resign from my campaign positions over this.

I know he didnt write it, and I know he isnt a racist - an omission of oversight is OK with me once in 72 years - too bad it had to be this though.

I am just curious how he doesnt know who did write it. thats the only part thats odd to me.

I will not stop supporting Paul because of this, its not a legitimate reason not to (but in making it out to more than it is, the MSM does have a goal of hurting his support)

 

[jaumen]

lolololololol -- if a Romeny or McCain Newsletter had contained the same stuff you would be crushing them. ADMIT IT!

I can't speak for him, but if I was given the exact same facts but hey applied to Romney or McCain I would not consider it a legitimate attack on them either. Ron Paul is not a racist, you know it, and I know it. He has essentially said he should have given it more oversight. He made a mistake, and he admits he made a mistake. What more can you ask for?

 

[KewlRonduderules]

I think Dr. Paul said it best. If you are an owner of a company or a TV network- you simply cannot monitor everything that goes published or advertised. It is impossible. Moreover, these letters had such a low level of circulation- no wonder it took years to get back to him!!! Wasn't he a practicing MD at the time- You know this can make you very busy.

I'd encourage people to think about this critically.

He already has taken moral responsibility- 10-15 years ago for heaven's sake!!!

Don't believe the hype people.

 

[Quick]

Like I've been saying all week.

All of these stories will die down in the next few days or so. It just needs to make its way through the news cycle.

Look at other "scandels" that the candidates have had. Remember when information leaked about Rudy a few months ago? It was in the news for a few days, and it was gone.

Same with this. If this was a new story, then it might linger but because its been brought up numerous times in the past, those who aren't aware of it need to bring it up.

It will fade soon.

 

[RPSignbomb]

I can't speak for him, but if I was given the exact same facts but hey applied to Romney or McCain I would not consider it a legitimate attack on them either. Ron Paul is not a racist, you know it, and I know it. He has essentially said he should have given it more oversight. He made a mistake, and he admits he made a mistake. What more can you ask for?

I would like Dr. Paul to expose who wrote this stuff. Not to say, "I don't know" well, they were working for you Dr. Paul.... figure it out.

We all know he did not write this stuff but a guy who is a "policy buff" not reading his own newsletter is crazy.

I did like the outrage he showed to Wolf last night - really good.

 

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At least he didn't inhale or get a blowjob from an intern.

 

[jaumen]

I would like Dr. Paul to expose who wrote this stuff. Not to say, "I don't know" well, they were working for you Dr. Paul.... figure it out.

We all know he did not write this stuff but a guy who is a "policy buff" not reading his own newsletter is crazy.

I did like the outrage he showed to Wolf last night - really good.

But why does it matter who wrote it? So you can know the name of a racist? How does that matter? If we know Paul didn't write it, and he is sorry that he was negligent in monitoring the newsletter, isn't that all we need to know?

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

If it came out that Dr. Paul was actually an embezzler of his patient's money would that make you rethink your support? He of course isn't an embezzler, but the point is our support for him shouldn't be blind faith, it should be based on his ideas and his character. Even with this story he still may have the strongest character of all the candidates. None of them should be exactly proud of their entire past. But because it's on the issue of race it gives me pause because what was (1) in his own newsletters (2) under his own name (3) for a number of years was antithetical to the reason I support him.

I'd be ashamed to let my own blind faith in a candidate control my thoughts about him. I wish this shit had never happened, but it did and each of us has to deal with its moral implications.

He didn't write it and I believe him.
He has no record of being racist on any level or saying anything racist.

His ideas are very anti-racist.

if you can't see that you're daft and we don't need you.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

lolololololol -- if a Romeny or McCain Newsletter had contained the same stuff you would be crushing them. ADMIT IT!

Romney and McCain are liars who don't have any decent ideas, and they actively say racist things in public debates.

Ron Paul doesn't and has great ideas that make sense.

I'm not going to change my mind because some bitter asshole decided to try to drag down Dr. Paul when he was doing well.

 

[Deborah K]

Everywhere right now, the tv, the papers the blogs its all Ron Paul Racist. Even if he gets an interview before the next primary its going to be "ARE you a RACIST"
I am sick at how this is playing out.

That's why it's important for us to go to bat for him. Every time you come across these accusations, you need to address it with the venue that is putting it out there.

Get your words together and put up the best defense you can for him. He is NOT a racist. We ALL know that. NOONE can prove otherwise and those old newsletters prove nothing.

Remember, at the time they were written, Dr. Paul was practicing medicine and doing speaking engagements around the country. He rarely even read the newsletter. He was NOT in charge of the newsletter (publisher - editor) and there were many changes and transitions going on within the company that WAS in charge. His mistake was in trusting that the company would be careful about who they let write for the newsletter.

It was an honest oversight. These allegations have resurfaced time and time again over the years and are always quelled. It's all they have on him.

 

[Madison]

It's blowing over among the supporters. It wont sink us. We know that Dr. Paul isn't racist.

Look at what happened last night. We had a Ron Paul revival here. All of a sudden, everybody is ready for another money bomb. It will blow over. They'll keep trying to bring it back, but eventually, it will backfire on them because they'll push it one to many times.

I think you are misunderstanding the situation. Their primary target isn't longtime Ron Paul supporters. They know we are devoted. They are targeting ALL potential voters with the smears. Underestimating them and pretending they aren't having much of an effect will only work to our detriment.