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The Cult of Nystrom (seeking help on an upcoming thread/article/series)
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Sofia,
It's all relative. Sure, you can say that we're all "fringe" because we're a minority viewpoint when it comes to foreign policy, civil liberties, the drug war, the Federal Reserve, etc. But I'd counter that there's a big difference between our differences in ideology and perspectives on various conspiracies. I mean, I can have a discussion with a legitimate socialist who thinks we ought to nationalize healthcare, and disagree with his opinion. But we can learn more about our views and respect each other.
And I don't even think it's a bad thing for people in this movement to discuss what issues are better "sells" when it comes to expanding our base. We should consider what issues are best suited for "non-believers" and emphasize those. Is "end the drug war" a turn-on or turn-off for them? It's a fair question. It doesn't mean you sell out at all. It just means you emphasize different parts of your platform to get your foot in the door and expose people to a new viewpoint.
The real "fringe" approach is taking ideas that aren't even ideological, and that aren't what most in the movement believe in, and placing them front and center. It's just wrong. Sorry, but most Ron Paul supporters are NOT Alex Jones devotees. Most are NOT constantly worrying about chemtrails or researching 9/11 conspiracies. And those "issues" aren't even about freedom. They're completely separate.
That's the "fringe."
Someone wrote a great thread yesterday or the day before on Daily Paul called "Dear Truthers." You can google it if you want. It's not archived, though. It sent a clear message that the "truther" movement and the Ron Paul movement are NOT one and the same, and that there are a lot of non-truthers who are sick of the truthers distorting the situation. It was a very important message, and part of a LEGITIMATE DIALOG we should be having in this movement.
That "champion of free speech" (translation: pandering hypocrite) Michael Nystrom (or one of his lackeys) deleted the thread, of course.
Sorry, but if you're not willing to look in the mirror and ask, "Is the message I convey on my blog/car/yard sign/t-shirt/conversation helpful or hurtful to this movement?" then you're NOT one of the good guys. You may THINK you are. You may spend countless hours toiling for the cause, and thousands of dollars pimping out your car with a Ron Paul paint job. But if you're petitioning in that "truther" T-shirt, or that car also has "9/11 was an inside job" on it, you're actually HURTING this movement.
And if you're one of the freaks like Nystrom, legalizeliberty, or one of their countless cronies, and you swarm threads like this and scream bloody murder, you're just showing how harmful, and how big of a hypocrite, you are. Want "truth" and "transparency" and "free discussion?" That entails other people saying, with good cause, "hey, your approach is hurting recruitment and providing our political opponents ammunition," and you actually respecting their right to say it and taking it into consideration."Free discussion" includes discussion about where discussions are BEST SUITED to take place. Someone saying "Hey, maybe this chemtrails discussion is more suited for the Alex Jones forums than our RP MeetUp," is a LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
Anyway, I've been asked by my friend to not put all the Nystrom stuff on here, as they're working on a long-term project to expose the "fringe" element (including Nystrom) for what it is, and proposing an alternative to the DailyPaul loony bin.
It's all relative. Sure, you can say that we're all "fringe" because we're a minority viewpoint when it comes to foreign policy, civil liberties, the drug war, the Federal Reserve, etc. But I'd counter that there's a big difference between our differences in ideology and perspectives on various conspiracies. I mean, I can have a discussion with a legitimate socialist who thinks we ought to nationalize healthcare, and disagree with his opinion. But we can learn more about our views and respect each other.
And I don't even think it's a bad thing for people in this movement to discuss what issues are better "sells" when it comes to expanding our base. We should consider what issues are best suited for "non-believers" and emphasize those. Is "end the drug war" a turn-on or turn-off for them? It's a fair question. It doesn't mean you sell out at all. It just means you emphasize different parts of your platform to get your foot in the door and expose people to a new viewpoint.
The real "fringe" approach is taking ideas that aren't even ideological, and that aren't what most in the movement believe in, and placing them front and center. It's just wrong. Sorry, but most Ron Paul supporters are NOT Alex Jones devotees. Most are NOT constantly worrying about chemtrails or researching 9/11 conspiracies. And those "issues" aren't even about freedom. They're completely separate.
That's the "fringe."
Someone wrote a great thread yesterday or the day before on Daily Paul called "Dear Truthers." You can google it if you want. It's not archived, though. It sent a clear message that the "truther" movement and the Ron Paul movement are NOT one and the same, and that there are a lot of non-truthers who are sick of the truthers distorting the situation. It was a very important message, and part of a LEGITIMATE DIALOG we should be having in this movement.
That "champion of free speech" (translation: pandering hypocrite) Michael Nystrom (or one of his lackeys) deleted the thread, of course.
Sorry, but if you're not willing to look in the mirror and ask, "Is the message I convey on my blog/car/yard sign/t-shirt/conversation helpful or hurtful to this movement?" then you're NOT one of the good guys. You may THINK you are. You may spend countless hours toiling for the cause, and thousands of dollars pimping out your car with a Ron Paul paint job. But if you're petitioning in that "truther" T-shirt, or that car also has "9/11 was an inside job" on it, you're actually HURTING this movement.
And if you're one of the freaks like Nystrom, legalizeliberty, or one of their countless cronies, and you swarm threads like this and scream bloody murder, you're just showing how harmful, and how big of a hypocrite, you are. Want "truth" and "transparency" and "free discussion?" That entails other people saying, with good cause, "hey, your approach is hurting recruitment and providing our political opponents ammunition," and you actually respecting their right to say it and taking it into consideration."Free discussion" includes discussion about where discussions are BEST SUITED to take place. Someone saying "Hey, maybe this chemtrails discussion is more suited for the Alex Jones forums than our RP MeetUp," is a LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
Anyway, I've been asked by my friend to not put all the Nystrom stuff on here, as they're working on a long-term project to expose the "fringe" element (including Nystrom) for what it is, and proposing an alternative to the DailyPaul loony bin.
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Today at the Daily Paul, Nymstrom banned topics about 9/11 and Israel. Some statements the OP made now seem false.
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