The Cult of Nystrom (seeking help on an upcoming thread/article/series)

[mediahasyou]

if you dont like it, dont visit dp.

 

[saul4paul]

This thread should be a "sticky".

 

[LibertyMage]

I can agree to a degree. I have found that I traffic the DailyPaul less because of this. Ironically, I had problems getting registered to this site for quite a long time. When I was finally given permission I expected to find a hot bed of activism. I have found myself disappointed. There is too much time spent on the minarchy vs anarchy, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Truther, Birther and other conspiracy theories regardless of your beliefs. Take a wild guess how it was associated with Debra Medina. If the effort on infighting was spent on organizing we would be making some serious waves. There have been several posts about the Southern Republican Leadership Conference 2010 and only a handful of people emailing and calling.

I have found that the time spent on my Campaign for Liberty chapter and time spent with YAL has been much more productive and much more rewarding.

 

[sofia]

i want to barf when i hear some u guys speak about "fringe elements"....you sound like neo-con and MSM media now....

to the "mainstream" the entire Ron Paul movement is "fringe"


once you start down that mushy road to "moderation".....it will never end....

 

[brandon]

When I was finally given permission I expected to find a hot bed of activism. I have found myself disappointed. There is too much time spent on the minarchy vs anarchy, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Truther, Birther and other conspiracy theories regardless of your beliefs.

That's the nature of an internet discussion forum. Activism should happen in real life for the most part. Any internet forum open to the public will always be more focused on discussion and debate than activism. This is especially true in the absence of a national campaign to support.

 

[disorderlyvision]

I've been banned from there twice.

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hahahahahahaha perhaps from your overuse of the term "legitimate purpose"

i want to barf when i hear some u guys speak about "fringe elements"....you sound like neo-con and MSM media now....

to the "mainstream" the entire Ron Paul movement is "fringe"

QFT

 

[leipo]

I don't like the conspiracy posts either, but i don't think it gets pushed to the forefront that much. I didn't even know that Michael was into that stuff. The front page (DP Liberty forum) deals almost exclusively with liberty candidates only. That's what i care about.

 

[Kludge]

what, this is unique?

i've seen people's names lorded over them here i don't care to say how often...

and if you're a shit head about the way that you disagree w/ the direction of this site, you'll probably be banned too.

if you don't like what nystrom is doing, don't enable it. don't drive traffic to it, don't boost his ad revenue.

what is to be gained by skewering him in this manner? certainly NOT the anonymity kinda-banned mod. was ostensibly after....

and all that said, i've never been a daily paul reader. too many things i didn't like about it, but i'm not letting it worry me. you probably shouldn't either.

+1.

I´ve never heard of Nystrom or DP outside of RPFs. If he has a cult, I don´t see why we should be intervening. They can do shit their way and we´ll do shit our way. What´s important is that, all in all, we get shit done.

 

[liberalnurse]

+1.

I´ve never heard of Nystrom or DP outside of RPFs. If he has a cult, I don´t see why we should be intervening. They can do shit their way and we´ll do shit our way. What´s important is that, all in all, we get shit done.

^This

 

[thewhammy]

+1.

I´ve never heard of Nystrom or DP outside of RPFs. If he has a cult, I don´t see why we should be intervening. They can do shit their way and we´ll do shit our way. What´s important is that, all in all, we get shit done.

Yeah, that's a positive way to look at it.

But we also have to bear in mind that people, even people trying to "get shit done" to help the cause, can do a lot of unintentional damage. For instance, they may not realize that they're shoveling the shit into the wind, and it's blowing back in our faces. For those people, they either need to toss the shit in the right direction, or put the shovel down.

It's been three years since the campaign began and really sparked (for lack of a better term) this movement, and I've seen a lot of people jump on board. I'm glad to have them, mostly. But some of them really do hurt us more than they help us, even if it's not their intent.

DP used to be a lot less fringe. At the very least, Nystrom focused on the issues we could all agree on and that didn't make us look like wackos. Go ahead and call me a "neo-con" for suggesting that (which is ironic because one of the LEAST "fringe" issues you can emphasize is RP's noninterventionism, IMO).

I don't think the issue has ever been "mainstreaming" the movement. But the movement needs focus. It's not a movement about 9/11 truth, or the Bilderbergers. People who constantly talk about that stuff at meetings either don't care about RP succeeding, or are blind to the fact that they're weighing us down.

Everyone should pick up a shovel and help out the effort. But if you're too stupid to know which way to toss the crap, and too stubborn to listen to the reasonable guy next to you who is trying to help you out, then you're not helping. That's Nystrom.

I've seen far too many people chased out of this movement, discouraged, etc., because of unreasonable people in the "fringe." And if you search for Ron Paul on Google, Nystrom's fringe factory shows up on the front page. He's speaking for this movement.

If it was "Daily Nystrom" I wouldn't care. I'd agree that we can all "get our shit done." But he's doing his shit: all over hard-working activists who are trying to polish up this rag-tag movement into something that the average person can relate to and say "yeah, that doesn't scare me."

 

[disorderlyvision]

Yeah, that's a positive way to look at it.

But we also have to bear in mind that people, even people trying to "get shit done" to help the cause, can do a lot of unintentional damage. For instance, they may not realize that they're shoveling the shit into the wind, and it's blowing back in our faces. For those people, they either need to toss the shit in the right direction, or put the shovel down.

It's been three years since the campaign began and really sparked (for lack of a better term) this movement, and I've seen a lot of people jump on board. I'm glad to have them, mostly. But some of them really do hurt us more than they help us, even if it's not their intent.

DP used to be a lot less fringe. At the very least, Nystrom focused on the issues we could all agree on and that didn't make us look like wackos. Go ahead and call me a "neo-con" for suggesting that (which is ironic because one of the LEAST "fringe" issues you can emphasize is RP's noninterventionism, IMO).

I don't think the issue has ever been "mainstreaming" the movement. But the movement needs focus. It's not a movement about 9/11 truth, or the Bilderbergers. People who constantly talk about that stuff at meetings either don't care about RP succeeding, or are blind to the fact that they're weighing us down.

Everyone should pick up a shovel and help out the effort. But if you're too stupid to know which way to toss the crap, and too stubborn to listen to the reasonable guy next to you who is trying to help you out, then you're not helping. That's Nystrom.

I've seen far too many people chased out of this movement, discouraged, etc., because of unreasonable people in the "fringe." And if you search for Ron Paul on Google, Nystrom's fringe factory shows up on the front page. He's speaking for this movement.

If it was "Daily Nystrom" I wouldn't care. I'd agree that we can all "get our shit done." But he's doing his shit: all over hard-working activists who are trying to polish up this rag-tag movement into something that the average person can relate to and say "yeah, that doesn't scare me."

 

[thewhammy]

Wow, Disorderly. That's mature and productive.

 

[disorderlyvision]

Wow, Disorderly. That's mature and productive.

As are your posts....What of it?

 

[thewhammy]

As are your posts....What of it?

Yes, I feel my posts are. I feel that we have to examine the message our movement sends out.

If you're comfortable with "anything goes," that's your choice. We can argue about that some other time. But pathetic pictures and trolling about how you don't give a crap are hypocritical (if you don't care, why'd you post?) and the epitome of juvenile.

Feel free to refrain from responding. Unless you have something of substance to add (which, given your history, you probably do not), I'll be moving on to people and topics that are worth discussing.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

How is this for substance?

YouTube - Cat Herders

Or this?

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.” — Thomas Jefferson

Personally, I have little trust of people who attack anonymously. I know Nystrom:

and I know his commitment to restoring constitutional gov't is genuine. All I know about you is that you were banned and seem to be the vindictive type.

The fact remains that this is a big tent freedom movement. A place where the free market of ideas, and hard work, will put sites at the top of google. There are plenty of sites that censor more than DP and RPFs. If you prefer the other sites, see if you can get them to the top. But don't come here and expect help in an anonymous witchhunt.

Thanks.

 

[SelfTaught]

Too close to not be a little gay.

Nevermind, I shouldn't have said anything.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Too close to not be a little gay.

Nevermind, I shouldn't have said anything.

- lulz

AdamT tends to pack his car to the gills. This shot is from CPAC:

 

[liberalnurse]

I had posted earlier if he had a personal issue with Nystrom, take it to Nystrom and leave us out of it. We're all in this together and these attacks are counterproductive. Thank You RPH for speaking T2P. Peace..

 

[disorderlyvision]

Yes, I feel my posts are. I feel that we have to examine the message our movement sends out.

I examined your message and it was full of whine and butthurt.

If you're comfortable with "anything goes," that's your choice.

snug as a bug in a rug

We can argue about that some other time.

If you so desire

But pathetic pictures and trolling about how you don't give a crap are hypocritical (if you don't care, why'd you post?) and the epitome of juvenile.

You are the troll here buddy. You did not deserve a legitimate response.

Feel free to refrain from responding.

No thanks

Unless you have something of substance to add (which, given your history, you probably do not),

Given my history? Awesome are you going to start a witch hunt for me too, Sweet! You will probably find that I have posted 1000's of news articles and commentaries, which I would go out on a limb and say has contributed a lot more "substance" than your whopping 25 posts full of attack. [MOD: Personal attack reported and removed.]

I'll be moving on to people and topics that are worth discussing.

"feel free" to do so

 

[SelfTaught]

I don't think Nystrom is a malicious person, however, I do think he has retained some leftist tendencies. The posting of documentaries that have a liberal/progressive twist kinda tipped me off to that.

But I don't really give a damn. It's his site. I just steer clear of it altogether. Plus the whole web design of DP is wack as fuck. The only redeeming quality is the front page for people that don't browse the forums and just want a quick overview of shit that's happened recently.

All in all, RPFs is a lot better. If we could post porn on this board, I'd be browsing the forums 24/7.