The coming pandemic of “gay marriage”

If I read right, Liberty Eagle is saying that the militant, "gay rights" advocates are seeking to force the universalization of "gay marriage. One way that could happen is through the Full Faith and Credit Clause of Article 4: “Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”

There is reason to fear that, by the clause, all states will be whipsawed into a recognition of homosexual marriage. The italicized portion, however, allows Congress to determine the effect of "legalized" gay marriage in one state in other states in which the "marriage" is prohibited. Thus congress could, (and I believe has under the Defense of Marriage Act), said that the second state is free to disregard the first. I have read somewhere that Obama is claiming the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional.

The Defense of Marriage Act provides:

"Section 2. Powers reserved to the states. No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

Section 3. Definition of marriage. In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife."

In any case, homosexual marriage violates natural law, and thus also Divine Law from which natural law proceeds, and which always supersedes mere human law. Therefore to the extent he so argues, Burrows 14 is right on that point.
 
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You know, I just had a crazy thought about this whole "full faith and credit" thing. Some states allow 16 year old's to have unrestricted drivers licenses. Some states do not. When you move to a new state you have a certain period of time before you have to change your drivers license. There is nothing that prevents a state from offering an unrestricted drivers license to a 12 year old. So what happens when someone gets a license in state A, and moves to state B where their license is restricted? Note I'm not talking about what happens if someone merely drives through. But when someone moves to a new state, has to get a new license, what happens? Now of course this is different from marriage since no state requires people to get new marriage licenses when the move in. (Someone is reading this and saying "Shut up! Don't give them any idea!") But constitutionally, if the full faith and credit clause was deemed to require states to recognize gay marriage from other states, what's to stop a state from saying "Okay. Every time someone move here their marriage license must be renewed in this state if they are going to avail themselves of the courts in this state." and then just refuse renewal to gay couples? Yeah, the consequences of that could really suck (some state have different requirements for marriage for people under 18 for example) but I don't see a constitutional problem.
 
You know, I just had a crazy thought about this whole "full faith and credit" thing. Some states allow 16 year old's to have unrestricted drivers licenses. Some states do not. When you move to a new state you have a certain period of time before you have to change your drivers license. There is nothing that prevents a state from offering an unrestricted drivers license to a 12 year old. So what happens when someone gets a license in state A, and moves to state B where their license is restricted? Note I'm not talking about what happens if someone merely drives through. But when someone moves to a new state, has to get a new license, what happens? Now of course this is different from marriage since no state requires people to get new marriage licenses when the move in. (Someone is reading this and saying "Shut up! Don't give them any idea!") But constitutionally, if the full faith and credit clause was deemed to require states to recognize gay marriage from other states, what's to stop a state from saying "Okay. Every time someone move here their marriage license must be renewed in this state if they are going to avail themselves of the courts in this state." and then just refuse renewal to gay couples? Yeah, the consequences of that could really suck (some state have different requirements for marriage for people under 18 for example) but I don't see a constitutional problem.

Wouldn't the same then apply to CCW licenses?
 
The question isn't what the government should be allowed to legalize. The question is what they should have the power to outlaw. You have it backwards.

You're right, I phrased it wrong. But that doesn't change my position that the government has the power to outlaw immoral acts such as murder, rape, and homosexuality.
 
Personally this is one of the issues I break away libertarianism from. I'm not a liberterian, never will be, but I agree with libertarianism on most economic positions.

I believe that gay marriage, and even homosexuality, should be illegal. I'm not a theocrat, but I do believe that government cannot go against God's law and Biblical morality. Therefore things such as homosexuality and abortion must be illegal.

Why do I have obey YOUR gods laws? Its called 1st Amendment, and you dont have the right to impose YOUR religious beliefs on me or anyone else for ANY reason.
 
Why do I have obey YOUR gods laws? Its called 1st Amendment, and you dont have the right to impose YOUR religious beliefs on me or anyone else for ANY reason.

The 1st Amendment prevents the establishment of a state church or official religion, which I completely agree with. I do support the separation of church and state. However, I believe the state is under God and therefore commanded to enforce God's law. I believe in decentralized political order resulting in laissez-faire capitalism and minimal state power, but only with respect to economics. Social policy, however, must be dictated by and follow the Law of Christ.
 
Wouldn't the same then apply to CCW licenses?

Probably so. I'm ashamed to admit that I don't have a CCW. (One of my "bucket list" items as in "before the republic kicks the bucket").

Since you brought this up, I looked up CCW requirements by state. Illinois is the only state without CCW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States

So is Obama going to make the argument that constitutionally Illinois must allow CCW from other states? Somehow I doubt that. This despite the fact that the right to bear arms, unlike marriage, is enumerated in the constitution.
 
It doesn't matter. The point is that I'm not forcing anyone to bend to my will, so your rampage against me as some sort of "superior being" is erroneous. I never claimed to be better or more moral than a gay person. I sin, too. Everyone does. I don't judge people, but I can respectfully point out what I believe based on my moral code. If I didn't have a moral code, then I wouldn't be able to criticize rape or murder either, because it's all relative.

Also, being gay is NOTHING like being 5'9" or black. That is just silly to even suggest. You have a choice what lifestyle you want to live, no matter how hard it may be to resist those urges, but you don't have a choice what color your skin is. You can always change even the most ingrained tendencies, like alcoholism, or the incontrollable desire to masturbate constantly. Being gay-curious isn't wrong unless you start to act out those tendencies. Being gay isn't something you just have to live with. Many have overcome that. Of course people will say they are faking it and "being something they're not", but that's just because it supports their agenda to do so.

Yes, people choose to be gay. Who wouldn't want to live such a FAAAABULAS lifestyle, what with the violent and deranged hatred from religious conservatives and general alienation from society?
 
What makes you think people care? That is not what this legislation is all about. It is about forcing the states and the churches to abide by the federal government's dictate to marry gays.

I find it so strange that supposed liberty people would go along with this. I guess some aren't that different than the social cons that they hate so much. All it takes is something they REALLY want and then they are fine with using big government force to cram it down everyone's throats.


The federal government has the responsibility to tell states that they can't limit basic rights, like the decision to marry who a person wishes.
 
No, I'm not a fundamentalist Mormon and I don't consider Mormonism to be true Christianity. But that's besides the point, I do consider practicing Mormons, for the most part, to be good, honest, moral people, even if I don't see eye to eye with them theologically.

I believe in the Biblical marriage presented in the New Testament and in th story of Adam and Eve. One man and one woman joined for life.

Lol, I see you're banned, but it's funny that you consider Old Testament = Mormonism
 
The 1st Amendment prevents the establishment of a state church or official religion, which I completely agree with. I do support the separation of church and state. However, I believe the state is under God and therefore commanded to enforce God's law. I believe in decentralized political order resulting in laissez-faire capitalism and minimal state power, but only with respect to economics. Social policy, however, must be dictated by and follow the Law of Christ.

I'm a practicing Christian, and I don't want social policy dictated by the Bible. I will live my life according to the doctrines of Christianity, I will not proselytize the public and if I was a lawmaker I would vote on the constitutionality of a bill, not what my God would dictate. There needs to be complete separation.
 
No, I'm not a fundamentalist Mormon and I don't consider Mormonism to be true Christianity. But that's besides the point, I do consider practicing Mormons, for the most part, to be good, honest, moral people, even if I don't see eye to eye with them theologically.

I believe in the Biblical marriage presented in the New Testament and in th story of Adam and Eve. One man and one woman joined for life.

I just want to say that it's pretty funny that dude says he wants things run under God's Law, and doesn't know the Old Testament, ie God's Law.
 
The 1st Amendment prevents the establishment of a state church or official religion, which I completely agree with. I do support the separation of church and state. However, I believe the state is under God and therefore commanded to enforce God's law. I believe in decentralized political order resulting in laissez-faire capitalism and minimal state power, but only with respect to economics. Social policy, however, must be dictated by and follow the Law of Christ.

I think you are and should be entitled to tyour beliefs. But again, if you dont want me to impose my religious beliefs on you, dont try to impose your religious beliefs on me. I have no intention of trying to change you, who you are, or what you believe in. I have EVERY intent of stopping you ANY time you try to enforce your religous beliefs on to someone else.

See here is the thing. Im willing to defend your right to believe what ever you want. But when it comes down to many religous people (not necessarily just christians), they wont do a damn thing for those that believe differently than they do. This is the thing that personally offends me more than anything else about any self propogating religion.

Edit: Nevermind, just saw that you're banned.
 
Yeah. But why was he banned? :confused: This place is getting ban crazy.

It was Eduardo's 3rd(?) sock, and he just could help but insult Nirvikalpa...again. He implied that she was a slut.

I like the guy, but he needs to get a grip on his "holier than thou" theocratic nonsense.
 
It was Eduardo's 3rd(?) sock, and he just could help but insult Nirvikalpa...again. He implied that she was a slut.

I like the guy, but he needs to get a grip on his "holier than thou" theocratic nonsense.

What IS wrong with being a slut?
 
It was Eduardo's 3rd(?) sock, and he just could help but insult Nirvikalpa...again. He implied that she was a slut.

I like the guy, but he needs to get a grip on his "holier than thou" theocratic nonsense.

What IS wrong with being a slut?
 
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