The coming pandemic of “gay marriage”

[speciallyblend]

non issue ,waste of time. If someone is forcing a gay or straight person to marry then call me.

 

[speciallyblend]

Yep. We'll all be catching the "gay". Maybe the government will develop a vaccine before it's too late? The big question is what will be in the vaccine, and how will they inject it?

bottom line is all those straight anti-gay folks are scared they might be bi-sexual and since they choose to be straight. They are fearful of being gay/bi-sexual, oooo noeees Don't sneeze they could turn gay. probably an inhaler to stop the gay.

 

[asurfaholic]

(This is to the OP.) The whole premise of your "legal" argument seems predicated on the presumption that you know what "natural law" is and that somehow the laws of our Republic must, by necessity, be congruent with your personal views of what that "natural law" is. Both premises are erroneous.

If homosexuality is against "natural law," please someone explain to me why hundreds of animal species engage in homosexual behavior. (Google that, I'm new here so I can't post any links yet to support that statement, but it's very easy to find the data on this.)

Incidentally though, it's probably safe to say humans are the only species who make such a big deal of this subject, probably because we're the only ones who feverishly stick our noses into a collection of questionably translated desert scribblings from thousands of years ago which also proscribes such barbaric atrocities as slavery, and bloody animal sacrifices. (See Leviticus chapters 1-9... Have you sprinkled your Ox blood lately?)

In discussing the age old definition of marriage, one man, one woman, since the beginning of time, I love the story of Abraham and Sarai in Genesis chapter 16. When Sarai was infertile, she tells Abraham to impregnate her female slave Hagar. So he rapes her--well, OK to be fair it wasn't rape since they owned her--and then when she gets upset about being pregnant she runs away. Fortunately for our traditional family unit, the Angel of the Lord appears to Hagar and tells her to go back to her master and submit. And so together they have little Ishmael. And so you see, clearly the Eternal Word of God has never changed.... It's always been one man, one woman... LOL

To anyone so concerned about whether other people are doing things unnatural, I would encourage you to worry about yourself. You will be much happier. Put on your reading glasses, after driving your car home, and pop that frozen dinner into the microwave oven, before you turn on your television... Yes you are certainly not doing anything unnatural yourself, you are just as God intended, no aberrations from nature there. LOL

Judging by the likes of Kim Kardashian, Britney Spears, and the divorce rate in general, I think it's safe to say heterosexuality does not inherently imply or guarantee the sanctity of anything.

Life is too short to wage a war against people who just want to enjoy the same Liberty we all do. Lighten up and worry about your own morality. That is the only morality you are legally permitted to control. Not mine, nor my wife's, nor my neighbor's, nor the two gay guys who love each other enough to seal it with the old ball and chain. Mind your own business. It's none of the government's business to tell anyone who they can or cannot marry and we should not have any laws recognizing any form of personal, private romantic union between two people or granting any special rights or privileges as a result of that contract. That is Ron Paul's position on gay marriage too, if I'm not mistaken. It's called Liberty. If you don't like it, then you do not understand the concept of Liberty to begin with and frankly I don't know what you're doing here supporting Ron Paul.

The whole animals are gay too argument just doesn't work for me. Chimps throw their own shit around, but does that make it ok to throw your shit at somebody? Na..

But I agree with everything else you said. Worry about yourself instead of trying to manage everyone else. Pointless debate.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I wish people could just stop giving a damn which sex the other person wants to fuck.

When it involves government, it affects everyone. That's why people care.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

(This is to the OP.) The whole premise of your "legal" argument seems predicated on the presumption that you know what "natural law" is and that somehow the laws of our Republic must, by necessity, be congruent with your personal views of what that "natural law" is. Both premises are erroneous.

If homosexuality is against "natural law," please someone explain to me why hundreds of animal species engage in homosexual behavior. (Google that, I'm new here so I can't post any links yet to support that statement, but it's very easy to find the data on this.)

The natural law being referred to is that only male and female can reproduce and bring forth life. The fact that it occurs at all is no object to that fact. Homosexuality is inherently and obviously in defiance of that law.

No comment on the legal matters. I, personally, don't think it should have anything to do with the law, althought I reject the idea that I'm arcane for thinking it's wrong and basing this on a solid set of morals.

Incidentally though, it's probably safe to say humans are the only species who make such a big deal of this subject, probably because we're the only ones who feverishly stick our noses into a collection of questionably translated desert scribblings from thousands of years ago which also proscribes such barbaric atrocities as slavery, and bloody animal sacrifices. (See Leviticus chapters 1-9... Have you sprinkled your Ox blood lately?)

Your presumptions about the Bible (which I assume is what you're referring to) are erroneous. The Bible is the most authentic piece of literature in human history.

What's more, you base your ideas of it on some unknown moral order in order to say the laws of the Bible are immoral in some way. If you think you cannot judge what natural law is, what makes you so sure that your idea of moral law is right? For the record, however, the Bible does not condone slavery. That is the most drummed up piece of literary crap that has been brought up simply so the non-believers can feel justified in the face of people who dare to question their ideas on morality. Then you go on to tell me that, because you have arbitrarily decided the words "bloody animal sacrifice" should strike us as something evil, or against natural law or whatever law you hold yourself to, that we should all be against that, too. Simply laughable. This goes for the rest of the ignorant drivel that you posted. Don't bother fact-checking. Just post your biased stories about how evil the Bible is according to the arbitrary morality you have decided is right.

To anyone so concerned about whether other people are doing things unnatural, I would encourage you to worry about yourself. You will be much happier. Put on your reading glasses, after driving your car home, and pop that frozen dinner into the microwave oven, before you turn on your television... Yes you are certainly not doing anything unnatural yourself, you are just as God intended, no aberrations from nature there. LOL

You clearly have a grave misunderstanding of the term 'natural law.' It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Life is too short to wage a war against people who just want to enjoy the same Liberty we all do. Lighten up and worry about your own morality. That is the only morality you are legally permitted to control. Not mine, nor my wife's, nor my neighbor's, nor the two gay guys who love each other enough to seal it with the old ball and chain. Mind your own business. It's none of the government's business to tell anyone who they can or cannot marry and we should not have any laws recognizing any form of personal, private romantic union between two people or granting any special rights or privileges as a result of that contract. That is Ron Paul's position on gay marriage too, if I'm not mistaken. It's called Liberty. If you don't like it, then you do not understand the concept of Liberty to begin with and frankly I don't know what you're doing here supporting Ron Paul.

Who's waging war? I retain the right to have my objections to homosexuality without forcing my beliefs on anyone. I never implied that I would harrass anyone who was homosexual simply for that fact, be it via government or my own actions.

Also, why make it an issue about marriage? The only reason we argue back and forth about 'gay marriage' is because the general public, including a great many on this forum, have fallen for the misconception that "marriage" and "government authorized marriage license" are one and the same. The moral argument on marriage goes much deeper than control. After all, there is absolutely no reason for a gay couple to even want to get married, except for the government goodies that are handed out to those who declare their marriage in court and give the government a piece of the marriage pie. In essence, gays only want to marry because they want to marry the government. If the government were not involved in marriage, I simply would not care what you call two gays living together because the idea of calling two gays living together "marriage" without the government would be patently absurd.

It's also quite ironic that you are talking to me about Liberty in such ferocious terms. I know what Liberty is. I don't think you are quite there yet.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

We're speeding towards a dollar collapse and politicians are worried about ... gay marriage?

The issue of government gay marriage is part of the climate that leads to these economic problems. While I agree that politicians are way off base in what they are focusing on and the rhetoric they repeatedly repeat, the issue itself is still important.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Heh...before I was married, I seriously considered paying a buddy of mine to "get married" for tax purposes since he was just starting his own business and could write a lot off while I had a decent salary and good medical benefits.

No living together or anything. Where does it say that we would be legally required to live together? It would be like going to the DMV to put someone else on the car title for whatever tax reason.

That's not what "I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry" would have you believe.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

bottom line is all those straight anti-gay folks are scared they might be bi-sexual and since they choose to be straight. They are fearful of being gay/bi-sexual, oooo noeees Don't sneeze they could turn gay. probably an inhaler to stop the gay.

How can you collectively label people like that when

1. You don't know what they are afraid of and
2. You don't know "all those straight anti-gay" folks

Please stop making collectivist judgments about straight folks who exercise their right to tell people that they believe what they are doing is morally wrong. There is no force invovled. We simply reserve our right to believe it's wrong. If it means anything to you or people who persistently make that outrageous claim as a red herring distraction from the real issue, I am not afraid of being gay. I simply am not gay, and yet I believe being gay is wrong (WHOA! SHOCKER!).

 

[Mani]

Why is the bible the determing factor as a reference to if gay marriage is moral or immoral? This is the united states of America and last I checked there is the freedom to practice other religions. Some religions allow gay marriage so those individuals should be allowed to proceed and get married without any religious prejudice just because 1 religion interprets it as bad.

 

[phill4paul]

Oh noes! It's a pandemic....

 

[pcosmar]

Why is the bible the determing factor as a reference to if gay marriage is moral or immoral? This is the united states of America and last I checked there is the freedom to practice other religions. Some religions allow gay marriage so those individuals should be allowed to proceed and get married without any religious prejudice just because 1 religion interprets it as bad.

This is the point that many have tried to make (and seems to be completely lost on many)

Marriage is a spiritual/religious thing. NOT a Governmental thing.
It should be left to churches (of any flavor) or to individuals themselves.
The government,, or other people have no business interfering at all.

simple.

 

[specsaregood]

Marriage is a spiritual/religious thing.

That is part of your definition of marriage, not necessarily others. eg: for me it is a personal contract and family thing.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Why is the bible the determing factor as a reference to if gay marriage is moral or immoral? This is the united states of America and last I checked there is the freedom to practice other religions. Some religions allow gay marriage so those individuals should be allowed to proceed and get married without any religious prejudice just because 1 religion interprets it as bad.

Of course there is. I'm telling you what I believe, and why I believe it. You have the right to believe something else if you want, but if you think you can say things are bad or wrong based on your own arbitrary definitions of morality, then you're a hypocrite. Also, nobody is prohibiting gays from getting married or living together and doing all the things that other married couples can do. They just can't include the government and all its goodies in their marriage contract. The government shouldn't be involved in ANY marriages in the first place, so arguing that gays should be allowed to get married is a major false dichotomy that distracts from the real issue, which is government involvement in marriage.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

That is part of your definition of marriage, not necessarily others. eg: for me it is a personal contract and family thing.

You can call a dog a cat, but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Travlyr]

Actually I hope it gets to the point of ridiculousness.

There is now no legal precedent or justification to prohibit polygamy, or incestuous marriage or marrying your horse, I suppose.

Then, maybe, it will become clear that the idea of government "regulating" marriage was pretty foolish from the get go.

+rep No Doubt!

 

[pcosmar]

That is part of your definition of marriage, not necessarily others. eg: for me it is a personal contract and family thing.

That also.
Still not any of the governments business.

 

[Travlyr]

We're speeding towards a dollar collapse and politicians are worried about ... gay marriage?

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

 

[Mani]

Of course there is. I'm telling you what I believe, and why I believe it. You have the right to believe something else if you want, but if you think you can say things are bad or wrong based on your own arbitrary definitions of morality, then you're a hypocrite. Also, nobody is prohibiting gays from getting married or living together and doing all the things that other married couples can do. They just can't include the government and all its goodies in their marriage contract. The government shouldn't be involved in ANY marriages in the first place, so arguing that gays should be allowed to get married is a major false dichotomy that distracts from the real issue, which is government involvement in marriage.

So regardless of the morality or immorality it seems we all pretty much agree the government should not be involved at all.

 

[specsaregood]

You can call a dog a cat, but that doesn't make it so.

For ages many marriages have simply been business or political arrangements with nothing religious about it. Just so happens that what I said completely aligns with what Dr. Paul said. We are all fully capable of defining marriage for ourselves we just don't have the right to force our definition upon others.

Still not any of the governments business.

Got absolutely no disagreement with that.

 

[TonySutton]

I think if all of the people in these threads who believe government should be completely out of the marriage business would stop talking "what ifs" and "until thens." We could all focus on fixing the economy, restoring personal liberty and ending the wars instead of having multiple 300+ post threads on a topic that is not in most people's top 5 list of important issues facing our country today.

A lot of good it will do me to get married to my boyfriend if our country falls apart around us and is replaced by an Orwellian police state sending everyone under the age of 40 off to fight endless wars.