the climate of fear

[Mr. Perfidy]

I worry that Dr. Paul and the movement around him in general has it all wrong; I watched the Leno interview earlier today and he mentioned how we need "more people talking about the issues," and this generally reflects the attitude of most of us here. Myself included- I am maybe the neighborhood psycho to some people, because when things happen, I typically make comments that place these events in a socio-political context. The episode below though explains the typical reaction from non-believers when discussing the issues:

So, today I went to my Leasing Office (I live in an apartment village) to ask about this mandatory municipal inspection. I am going away for a few days with the wife, and explained that I would rather the government invade my home while I am in it, rather than not present, so I went to ask about requesting that they come on 2 of 4 possible days, when I can be home.

The reactions from the employees was (unfortunately not) surprising and alarming. Meek, downward looks, repetitive, babbling mantras like, "oh well they'll come when they can, they're just going to do their thing," etc etc. Being let down as I kind of expected, I added,

"Ok just for my own gratification then....do any of you think that they are runnin' up in my house because they care about my safety?"


Now, I was in a room with 4 people, all working class. I expect only the meekest and most ludicrous orthodoxy from this one old white lady receptionist, but the other 3 people totally let me down! A puerto rican Gen X'er just stared with a scared look, the old black maintenance guy joined the receptionist in weird, timid chanting apologies, and the younger, college aged black kid intern or something, he just made a strained face that maybe communicated sympathy?

Not one of them was willing to speak out loud any criticism of even their broke-ass MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT! And they know that I am the chairman of the republican party here! Even with an appropriate politically contexted "in," all they did was meekly look at the ground and fumble apologies. It was honestly quite disturbing.


So, I came home a few minutes ago and reflected and decided to share this concern. I have to note that this kind of reaction is all too common, and why I am afraid that the Ron Paul movement is a 20th century meme.

What if? there was no more need to discuss issues with people, because even the most menial workers with the least amount of education have all already internalized the message of our ruling class? What if everyone knows all about the constitution, individual rights, and individual freedom, but also knows that generations just shredded that shit unquestioned since they were children? How do you confront the State in a place where people are afraid to admit to each other in their own villages that it is a racket?

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

I would add a question- when discussing politics, or even making a single heretical comment among strangers, do you often see a flash of a face for a brief second, where you can see that the stranger is scared and searching his mind as if wondering if you are a secret policeman? I get that look often, and believe that it is what "crimestop" looks like. It is often followed by a goodthinker crimestop bullshit evasion.

 

[TrishW]

mandatory municipal inspection??

What the heck? Am I understanding you right? They can come into your home and inspect without a search warrant or even probable cause? Really?? We are that far gone?

 

[LinuxJedi]

People often look at me as if I'm a nut because I won't fly due to body scanners, and that I believe that the government is out of control. "The government is there to protect us" is the mantra these people hold. They are quite happy to be molested, x-rayed, poked or prodded by Father Government.

I have come to believe that the reason Ron Paul wasn't elected is because the people aren't awake. I agree they are terrified, but if you watch the news you'll see why. There are so many crises to keep people occupied with anything but the actions of their own government. Waking up the population is an important step, and I wonder how far the USA has to sink until people start to react. We haven't hit rock bottom yet, and it's getting scary.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

no my point is, we are in fact already living at the bottom- how can it get worse when a man can't get 4 working class FELLOW VILLAGERS (3 of the 4 people there LIVE IN MY FUCKIN APARTMENT COMPLEX) to admit that the loser TOWN government has no right to run up on his house? This being the environment, we are probably already systematically exterminating people. It could be happening in the next village over, and if I asked anyone around town, they would look at the ground and then TextATip as soon as they think that I cannot see them.

 

[TonySutton]

I would be tempted to find a bunch of inexpensive sex toys and alternative lifestyle accessories to set around all over the apartment for the inspection.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

mandatory municipal inspection??

they thanked me for my anticipated cooperation

What the heck? Am I understanding you right? They can come into your home and inspect without a search warrant or even probable cause? Really?? We are that far gone?

Well, duh- I live in their town!

hahahaha people say that!!!!!

ostensibly, the reason is to make sure that my smoke detectors are in working order, and also they have to check to make sure that I am not piling flammable garbage around my water heater. Because they are very worried about my safety.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

I would be tempted to find a bunch of inexpensive sex toys and alternative lifestyle accessories to set around all over the apartment for the inspection

one of my concerns is them going through that stuff! Deviant bastards!

 

[TrishW]

sheep

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Because the people are clearly unaffected by arguments of reason and appeals to logic, and because their compliance endangers my own liberty, is it moral to harm them until they are more afraid of the Liberty people than of the Government? For real question. If a guy in a Ron Paul shirt started breaking jaws of people who make apologies for government abuse, I bet that people would stop apologizing for government, and start apologizing for the guy breaking jaws.

 

[Sematary]

I don't see fear. The adjectives I would use to describe what ai see are...
1. Apathy
2. Disbelief (people really don't believe the government is the ultimate evil in the galaxy DESPITE all the evidence to the contrary - because it is more comfortable not to.)
3. Ignorance - most people get their newsspeak from the msm and thus have no fucking clue what is going on in the world.
4 Willing participants - people who DO see what's going on and believe it is the right thing to do (the majority of people who belong to either of the two major political parties
5. Hopeless - those who have simply given up hope that things can be fixed (also includes apathetic people). THESE are the people we can reach

 

[John F Kennedy III]

no my point is, we are in fact already living at the bottom- how can it get worse when a man can't get 4 working class FELLOW VILLAGERS (3 of the 4 people there LIVE IN MY FUCKIN APARTMENT COMPLEX) to admit that the loser TOWN government has no right to run up on his house? This being the environment, we are probably already systematically exterminating people. It could be happening in the next village over, and if I asked anyone around town, they would look at the ground and then TextATip as soon as they think that I cannot see them.

Oh this ain't shit. This is sunshine and lollipops compared to what awaits us if we don't pull the plane out of this tailspin.

WWIII

FEMA camps/1984 style police state

Complete collapse of economy leaving the majority of us living Road Warrior style

.....

 

[affa]

People don't want to believe anything bad about:
1) themselves
2) anything they deeply associate and identify with themselves, such as their country

Meanwhile, criticism of gov't has been marginalized for decades -- dissent as unpatriotic, of course, but also anyone criticizing the gov't must be a 'tinfoil hat' conspiracy theorist (we even get people here that constantly insult others here with that meme, reinforcing it).

Remember, pretty much every important topic is now considered taboo to speak of. You can talk about tv, or sports, or the weather. But if you bring up politics, or abortion, or monetary policy? Yea, good luck with that.

There are several groups of people:
1) ones that welcome tyranny "i don't have anything to hide"
2) ones that are too meek to do anything "what can you do?"
3) ones that don't see it as tyranny "well, it keeps us safer"
4) ones that are critical, but silent -- a lifetime of going against the grain and feeling like a loner makes it hard to speak out, sometimes
5) the vocal minority that speak up and risk social ostracization and/or stigmatization. That's most of us here.

I've lived on the outskirts of polite society for decades now (and being more than willing to put forth my views, even as a child arguing against a two party system with my Democrat-brain-washed father). I don't mind criticizing the gov't in public, but I know that most people have a huge wall built up in front of that. They're not scared of retribution so much as being judged.

If you catch people at the right time - say, around a fire pit, and the conversation turns to politics, you'll find almost everyone is incredibly critical of everything. Those same people, however, might toe the party line at work. It's really interesting.

I remember in the 80's and 90's, I used to have to use a phrase like "things can change fast -- in 10 years, we could be like...". I no longer need to preface it with 'in 10 years'. Deep down, people know we're already there. 9/11, regardless of how or why it happened, was used by our ruling class to double down on tyranny.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

well my argument is, there could right now be such camps, and how would I know? DHS would remove info from the internet, and any involved parties would be terrified of speaking of it. And, anyone who happened to get their hands on some info would just look at the ground and stare instead of sharing it.

I have had similar conversations with similar groups of neighbors/local people in response to things like,

"oh hey did you guys see the cops beating that kid on the sidewalk?"

no responses


"what is that 50 foot long van with exterior locks for you think? Little much for a township police department, no?"

no answers except hatred and fear.

The hardwares already here in NJ, and no appeals to reason will even make people LOOK AT IT WHEN ITS ON THE STREET! They just act like I am impolite for calling attention to it.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Also Mr, Kennedy, we are already in the 1984 Coercion Immersion- in my town, there are live-feed cameras (with microphones) lining the major roads; when kids at work return from out of state, they are always pulled over as "a suspicious vehicle," as in, the cameras and License Plate readers identified that a car registered to a young person left the State and returned, and must therefore be searched. There's a corridor where this happens quite predictably.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Deep down, people know we're already there. 9/11, regardless of how or why it happened, was used by our ruling class to double down on tyranny.

that is what I mean. Exactly.

Really, the enemy is not ignorance. Our enemy is that the organs of critical thought are literally TURNED OFF in most people because they know that critical thought only identifies them as dangerous to the scary armored goon squads with aerial surveillance and computer tracking.

 

[pcosmar]

 

[ClydeCoulter]

My sisters husband posted this on FB (any questions as to whether he's bought into it?)

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

... huh?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Also Mr, Kennedy, we are already in the 1984 Coercion Immersion- in my town, there are live-feed cameras (with microphones) lining the major roads; when kids at work return from out of state, they are always pulled over as "a suspicious vehicle," as in, the cameras and License Plate readers identified that a car registered to a young person left the State and returned, and must therefore be searched. There's a corridor where this happens quite predictably.

Oh absolutely. And the worst part is most people either ignore it or welcome it!