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did someone get all this to the lawyers for ron paul group?
The case for the occurence of algorithmic vote flipping
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That's been taken care of, yes.
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Just a quick note to let everyone know we are still working on this, though you may not see many posts.
At this point, anyone who has detailed information and/or contacts in Alabama we need those. PM me if you don't wish to post publicly.
At this point, anyone who has detailed information and/or contacts in Alabama we need those. PM me if you don't wish to post publicly.
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I made banana blueberry pancakes for dinner tonight. The blueberries made little bumps in the pancakes before I flipped them. I had to do a little re-distribution of the berries by hand (prior to flipping) in order to get a more even distribution. They were delicious.
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After your brilliant explanation of vote flipping through blueberry pancakes, I got some at the supermarket.
BTW, since you are in Orange county, PM me an e-mail address and I'll send you a preview of what coming for your area.
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Sounds good!! Looking forward to seeing...
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In Bev Harris' Black Box Voting forum post about California Los Angeles County City of Cudahy officials admit throwing away absentee ballots with undesired votes, there is an good post about Pennsylvania's absentee ballot system:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/132/82172.html?1342616912
Pennsylvania system:
1) legal excuse (enumerated in statute) required for getting one, with a perjury penalty for falsification
2) NO central office opening of absentees permitted (except for court-ordered overseas ballot deadline extensions)
3) send the ballots to the precincts to be opened only after ALL the precinct voting is finished
4) COMPLETELY BAN hand-delivered absentee ballots except for each voter delivering his own ballot (not even spouse's ballot delivery allowed)
5) all absentee ballots are paper ballots and they must be counted IN PUBLIC at the precinct on Election Night (the official tally at the central office later needs to explain every disagreement with the precinct)
6) the list of people voting absentee must be publicly viewable (with registration, to prevent Election Day home invasion burglaries)
7) require the precinct to send in ALL the paper trail; ballots and affidavit envelopes alike, unmatched to each other.
Absentees have ALWAYS been the classic easiest way to steal elections, and the unavoidable price of "voter convenience" is a lack of security of any election.
I'd like to know from Pennsylvanians here how well these rules has been followed in the 2012 elections?
Also, I'd like to know if there is data that lists the #of absentee ballots mailed OUT compared to those that were mailed back IN, for each precinct.
It would be easy to chart those relationships and quickly see in which precinct a fraud like in the City of Cudahy occurred.
Pay particular attention to Santorum's incredible results in PA. I would not be surprised that he did well in some precincts's absentee ballots.
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/132/82172.html?1342616912
Pennsylvania system:
1) legal excuse (enumerated in statute) required for getting one, with a perjury penalty for falsification
2) NO central office opening of absentees permitted (except for court-ordered overseas ballot deadline extensions)
3) send the ballots to the precincts to be opened only after ALL the precinct voting is finished
4) COMPLETELY BAN hand-delivered absentee ballots except for each voter delivering his own ballot (not even spouse's ballot delivery allowed)
5) all absentee ballots are paper ballots and they must be counted IN PUBLIC at the precinct on Election Night (the official tally at the central office later needs to explain every disagreement with the precinct)
6) the list of people voting absentee must be publicly viewable (with registration, to prevent Election Day home invasion burglaries)
7) require the precinct to send in ALL the paper trail; ballots and affidavit envelopes alike, unmatched to each other.
Absentees have ALWAYS been the classic easiest way to steal elections, and the unavoidable price of "voter convenience" is a lack of security of any election.
I'd like to know from Pennsylvanians here how well these rules has been followed in the 2012 elections?
Also, I'd like to know if there is data that lists the #of absentee ballots mailed OUT compared to those that were mailed back IN, for each precinct.
It would be easy to chart those relationships and quickly see in which precinct a fraud like in the City of Cudahy occurred.
Pay particular attention to Santorum's incredible results in PA. I would not be surprised that he did well in some precincts's absentee ballots.
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Another good post on Black Box Voting's forum about absentee ballots:
"The Pennsylvania absentee rules seem very similar to Massachusetts. One exception is that MA does allow absentee ballots to be hand carried in by a designated courier for voters who become hospitalized on or just before election day. I have yet to see it happen though.
I totally agree that absentee voting, while necessary, should be absolutely minimal. And it should be handled as much as possible like regular voting: ballots cast in public at the voters' precincts, checked off on the voter lists, etc. The worst possible way is for absentee ballots to be handled and counted completely separately, and the counts simply announced and added in at the end.
In a good voting system absentee voting is the biggest security hole. Any state that is not worried about absentee voting I would say has set the bar for election security too low."
In sharp contrast in California, it is perfectly legal for a third person to hand carry 20-30 absentee ballots and submit them all at once at the precinct. NO ID's need to be checked, in fact it's illegal to ask for ID's!! I took the certification training and that was made very clear to us.
"The Pennsylvania absentee rules seem very similar to Massachusetts. One exception is that MA does allow absentee ballots to be hand carried in by a designated courier for voters who become hospitalized on or just before election day. I have yet to see it happen though.
I totally agree that absentee voting, while necessary, should be absolutely minimal. And it should be handled as much as possible like regular voting: ballots cast in public at the voters' precincts, checked off on the voter lists, etc. The worst possible way is for absentee ballots to be handled and counted completely separately, and the counts simply announced and added in at the end.
In a good voting system absentee voting is the biggest security hole. Any state that is not worried about absentee voting I would say has set the bar for election security too low."
In sharp contrast in California, it is perfectly legal for a third person to hand carry 20-30 absentee ballots and submit them all at once at the precinct. NO ID's need to be checked, in fact it's illegal to ask for ID's!! I took the certification training and that was made very clear to us.
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IF anyone has time to help out, we especially need people in Texas and Rhode Island that can be "boots on the ground" for this project. PM me or RonRules for more details.
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Thank you for posting. I note a common error when people try to explain the cumulative charts:
" Romney's vote totals go up as time passes almost exactly mirroring Dr. Paul's going down, with all other candidates holding steady."
The horizontal axis of the chart is not TIME. It is Cumulative Vote Tally, the number of votes in each precincts, cumulatively summed up from left to right.
There are some good things to come, stay tuned!
Meanwhile, please beg your county election clerk to provide RAW election data, BEFORE it gets into the central tabulator. I need this for analysis.
Thanks
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Just to clarify (and please correct me if this is wrong): When building the graph, you are adding precincts from left to right in order of smallest precinct to largest precinct, right? Smallest precincts on the left, and the further you go to the right, the bigger and bigger the precincts are that you're adding into the overall tally.
This is important in understanding the graphs because they apparently aren't flipping votes in small precincts. This is why the curve is normal on the left, and then when you reach a certain point in the graph (when you get to a certain size of precinct) then the curve changes, indicating the vote flipping.
The reason for this is apparently because when a re-count is ordered, they only re-count 1% of the precincts in each county, and they pick the smallest precincts in order to keep the recount as easy as possible. The vote flippers know this so they avoid the small precincts. And because they aren't flipping votes in all precincts, this is how it's even possible to see a statistically improbable deviation in the graph when you stack the precincts from smallest to largest, going left to right.
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Exactly
yep, you pretty much nailed it.
also worth noting is that 'small' is defined by the area being flipped. That is, in one area small might be <25 voters, while in another state small might be <1000 voters. So while the 250 to 1000 range might exhibit flipping in one state, it may be part of the 'small precinct' flatline in another.
Same goes for within a single city limits... small precincts don't flip, big ones do. Within the same city.
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Black Box Voting : News Headlines: (Multnational) 7/12 -
ELECTRONIC VOTE-COUNTING INCREASINGLY BY GLOBAL PRIVATE VENDORS
------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by Bev Harris on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 3:02 pm:
A press release today about the planned expansion of Unisyn into more
USA locations renews attention on foreign ownership of corporations
selling voting systems into the United States.
Unisyn is owned by a Malaysian gambling outfit. Another major
elections industry player, Canada's Dominion, purchased the massive
Diebold Election Systems division (which it shares with ES&S);
Dominion also owns Smartmatic, which handles electronic vote-counting
in the Philippines and Belgium. Military voting is now handled in
several states by Barcelona, Spain-owned Scytl. In January 2012, Scytl
acquired the largest election results reporting firm, SOE Software.
Accenture, now based in Dublin Ireland (formerly headquartered in
tax-haven Bermuda), claims copyright over the massive electronic voter
registration/voter history databases used in several states, including
Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Colorado, Wisconsin and Arkansas. Accenture
purchased its voter registration unit from Election.com, a Saudi-owned
company based in the Cayman Islands.
Because a computer will only do what it's programmers and
administrators tell it to do, whoever issues the commands gains
ultimate control over how it receives, counts, and reports votes,
voter registrations, and voter histories.
UNISYN: According to Barry Herron (formerly of Diebold Election
Systems), now Director of Sales for Unisyn, "Unisyn and our business
partners are actively supporting installations in the States of
Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, Mississippi, and Virginia. We intend to
expand into other states in late 2012 and early 2013."
Unisyn also recently made inroads into Puerto Rico. Another Unisyn
election product called "Inkavote" is used in 4 million-voter Los
Angeles County (Calif) and in Jackson County Missouri.
THE MALAYSIAN GAMBLING CONNECTION:
Black Box Voting exposed the Malaysian outfit behind Unisyn in 2005.
Excerpts from our 2005 report by Bev Harris and Kathleen Wynne:
Unisyn is an entity set up by parent company International Lottery and
Totalizator Systems (ILTS). A politically-connected Malaysian gambling
outfit owns ILTS.
According to SEC filings, Berjaya Lottery Management -- a gaming
subsidiary of Berjaya Group Berhad, located in Malaysia -- owns 71% of
the voting stock in ILTS, the company that makes InkaVote.
InkaVote's parent, Berjaya Group is controlled by Vincent Tan Chee
Yioun, a crony of Mahathir Mohamad, who was Malaysian prime minister
until 2003. Mahathir's government was denounced for human-rights
abuses and corporate corruption.
When Mahathir Mohamad retired two years ago, he was succeeded by the
man who rushed to his side at the retirement, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi,
of the same party. The shareholders of Berjaya Group, the parent of
InkaVote, reportedly include Mokhzani Mahathir, son of Malaysian
strongman Mahathir Mohamad.
From the Berjaya Group Berhad Annual Report to Stock Shareholders,
1994: "The Berjaya Group is a large, diversified conglomerate,
including seven public and about 200 private companies."
Directors of Berjaya include Danny Tan Chee Sing, one of a small group
of Chinese capitalists closely associated with Malay politicians, and
Jaffar Bin Abdul, the former Inspector General of Police.
Tony Yeong, Managing Director of Berjaya Group (Cayman), resigned over
allegations of an attempt to bribe the Solomon Islands' Commerce,
Employment and Trade Minister. Yeong insisted it was an accepted
practice for a company such as Berjaya to show its appreciation to
those in government who assisted the company.
The rise of key Chinese businessmen in Malaysian corporations was
linked to influential politicians. It turns out that what happens to
the corporations depends on whether their patrons remain in power.
More on Malaysian owners:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/4624.html
Filing (March 15 2005, for 4th qtr 2004) - shows 71% ownership by
Berjaya Lottery Systems of Malaysia:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/inkavote/ILTS-SEC-doc.PDF
(pdf file, 1,041 KB)
Filing that mentions plans for selling voting machines:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/inkavote/SEC-InkaVote.PDF
(pdf file, 254 KB)
ELECTION.COM, THE CAYMAN ISLANDS, AND ACCENTURE
In Chapter 8 of my book, Black Box Voting, written in 2003, I revealed
the strange history of what is now Accenture voter registration
systems. Election.com, now part of Accenture, was owned by unnamed
Saudi investors through a group headquartered in the Cayman Islands.
This entity was awarded a portion of the contract for military voting
in the U.S. by the Pentagon. Very soon after Accenture aquired
Election.com, as Accenture also aquired the Pentagon contract for
SERVE. (Internet voting).
More about Saudi-owned, Cayman Islands-based Election.com, now run by
Accenture:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
SPAIN-OWNED INTERNET VOTING COMPANY -- SCYTL -- AND RESULTS REPORTING
FIRM -- SOE SOFTWARE
In January 2012, Black Box Voting reported that Barcelona-owned
Internet voting firm Scytl had purchased another company, which
handles a different part of USA elections: SOE Software.
Scytl, so far, just counts military and overseas votes in a few
states. SOE Software is not part of the Internet voting project; SOE
reports votes coming out of ES&S, Dominion, Hart Intercivic and
Sequoia touchscreens and optical scans.
Often, SOE actually hosts and runs what looks like the county election
Web site. SOE pulls its information electronically from county central
tabulators, either wired in directly or in some locations, through a
USB stick transfer.
After information goes from voting machines into the county central
tabulator, it travels to Tampa, Florida into the SOE system, and is
posted on sites like ClarityElections.com (the host domain owned by
SOE) or at Web sites which appear with county names, but actually come
from Tampa's SOE.
IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF USA ELECTION SOFTWARE?
Not if you don't mind some unknown guys working offshore controlling
whatever they choose to in the software processing votes and voters.
PERMISSION TO REPRINT GRANTED, WITH LINK TO BLACK BOX VOTING
To keep Black Box Voting going, please consider a monthly sponsorship
donation or a one-time gift: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html
Black Box Voting : News Headlines: (Multnational) 7/12 -
ELECTRONIC VOTE-COUNTING INCREASINGLY BY GLOBAL PRIVATE VENDORS
------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by Bev Harris on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 3:02 pm:
A press release today about the planned expansion of Unisyn into more
USA locations renews attention on foreign ownership of corporations
selling voting systems into the United States.
Unisyn is owned by a Malaysian gambling outfit. Another major
elections industry player, Canada's Dominion, purchased the massive
Diebold Election Systems division (which it shares with ES&S);
Dominion also owns Smartmatic, which handles electronic vote-counting
in the Philippines and Belgium. Military voting is now handled in
several states by Barcelona, Spain-owned Scytl. In January 2012, Scytl
acquired the largest election results reporting firm, SOE Software.
Accenture, now based in Dublin Ireland (formerly headquartered in
tax-haven Bermuda), claims copyright over the massive electronic voter
registration/voter history databases used in several states, including
Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Colorado, Wisconsin and Arkansas. Accenture
purchased its voter registration unit from Election.com, a Saudi-owned
company based in the Cayman Islands.
Because a computer will only do what it's programmers and
administrators tell it to do, whoever issues the commands gains
ultimate control over how it receives, counts, and reports votes,
voter registrations, and voter histories.
UNISYN: According to Barry Herron (formerly of Diebold Election
Systems), now Director of Sales for Unisyn, "Unisyn and our business
partners are actively supporting installations in the States of
Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, Mississippi, and Virginia. We intend to
expand into other states in late 2012 and early 2013."
Unisyn also recently made inroads into Puerto Rico. Another Unisyn
election product called "Inkavote" is used in 4 million-voter Los
Angeles County (Calif) and in Jackson County Missouri.
THE MALAYSIAN GAMBLING CONNECTION:
Black Box Voting exposed the Malaysian outfit behind Unisyn in 2005.
Excerpts from our 2005 report by Bev Harris and Kathleen Wynne:
Unisyn is an entity set up by parent company International Lottery and
Totalizator Systems (ILTS). A politically-connected Malaysian gambling
outfit owns ILTS.
According to SEC filings, Berjaya Lottery Management -- a gaming
subsidiary of Berjaya Group Berhad, located in Malaysia -- owns 71% of
the voting stock in ILTS, the company that makes InkaVote.
InkaVote's parent, Berjaya Group is controlled by Vincent Tan Chee
Yioun, a crony of Mahathir Mohamad, who was Malaysian prime minister
until 2003. Mahathir's government was denounced for human-rights
abuses and corporate corruption.
When Mahathir Mohamad retired two years ago, he was succeeded by the
man who rushed to his side at the retirement, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi,
of the same party. The shareholders of Berjaya Group, the parent of
InkaVote, reportedly include Mokhzani Mahathir, son of Malaysian
strongman Mahathir Mohamad.
From the Berjaya Group Berhad Annual Report to Stock Shareholders,
1994: "The Berjaya Group is a large, diversified conglomerate,
including seven public and about 200 private companies."
Directors of Berjaya include Danny Tan Chee Sing, one of a small group
of Chinese capitalists closely associated with Malay politicians, and
Jaffar Bin Abdul, the former Inspector General of Police.
Tony Yeong, Managing Director of Berjaya Group (Cayman), resigned over
allegations of an attempt to bribe the Solomon Islands' Commerce,
Employment and Trade Minister. Yeong insisted it was an accepted
practice for a company such as Berjaya to show its appreciation to
those in government who assisted the company.
The rise of key Chinese businessmen in Malaysian corporations was
linked to influential politicians. It turns out that what happens to
the corporations depends on whether their patrons remain in power.
More on Malaysian owners:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/4624.html
Filing (March 15 2005, for 4th qtr 2004) - shows 71% ownership by
Berjaya Lottery Systems of Malaysia:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/inkavote/ILTS-SEC-doc.PDF
(pdf file, 1,041 KB)
Filing that mentions plans for selling voting machines:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/inkavote/SEC-InkaVote.PDF
(pdf file, 254 KB)
ELECTION.COM, THE CAYMAN ISLANDS, AND ACCENTURE
In Chapter 8 of my book, Black Box Voting, written in 2003, I revealed
the strange history of what is now Accenture voter registration
systems. Election.com, now part of Accenture, was owned by unnamed
Saudi investors through a group headquartered in the Cayman Islands.
This entity was awarded a portion of the contract for military voting
in the U.S. by the Pentagon. Very soon after Accenture aquired
Election.com, as Accenture also aquired the Pentagon contract for
SERVE. (Internet voting).
More about Saudi-owned, Cayman Islands-based Election.com, now run by
Accenture:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
SPAIN-OWNED INTERNET VOTING COMPANY -- SCYTL -- AND RESULTS REPORTING
FIRM -- SOE SOFTWARE
In January 2012, Black Box Voting reported that Barcelona-owned
Internet voting firm Scytl had purchased another company, which
handles a different part of USA elections: SOE Software.
Scytl, so far, just counts military and overseas votes in a few
states. SOE Software is not part of the Internet voting project; SOE
reports votes coming out of ES&S, Dominion, Hart Intercivic and
Sequoia touchscreens and optical scans.
Often, SOE actually hosts and runs what looks like the county election
Web site. SOE pulls its information electronically from county central
tabulators, either wired in directly or in some locations, through a
USB stick transfer.
After information goes from voting machines into the county central
tabulator, it travels to Tampa, Florida into the SOE system, and is
posted on sites like ClarityElections.com (the host domain owned by
SOE) or at Web sites which appear with county names, but actually come
from Tampa's SOE.
IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF USA ELECTION SOFTWARE?
Not if you don't mind some unknown guys working offshore controlling
whatever they choose to in the software processing votes and voters.
PERMISSION TO REPRINT GRANTED, WITH LINK TO BLACK BOX VOTING
To keep Black Box Voting going, please consider a monthly sponsorship
donation or a one-time gift: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/donate.html
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Here's Riverside county Assistant Registrar in the process of selecting the precincts that will be picked. They use 10 sided dice and pick the precincts that way:
Riverside has 853 precincts, including precincts that are vote-by-mail only. Here's an histogram that will give you an indication of how vulnerable the dice throw is to the vote flipping fraud. Basically it is extremely unlikely that large precincts will be selected.
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