The case against Chuck Baldwin...

[LibertyEagle]

Liberty...YOU wake up...if Obama wins...we will have no leverege..he is already talking about the fairness doctrine...and other marxist-leninist ideas. TONeS

Tones, the Communist Manifesto is in place NOW in the U.S. Still, the people sleep. I don't support Obama one bit, but here's the thing... if McCain wins, the Republicans will go back to sleep. Just like they did with Bush. Remember? If a Democrat had tried to do one fraction of what Bush has done, the Republicans would have raised holy hell. But because it was a Republican, they frickin' cheered it on. Unbelievable!

Look, I'm scared of Obama too. I truly am. And a couple of times, I even considered whether I should vote for McCain because of it. When I came to my senses, I realized that I just could not do it. McCain may take us into Communism a little more slowly than Obama, but we're almost there anyway. In my opinion, one of our only hopes is to take back the GOP. It will be very hard to do with a sitting Republican president. History shows that.

Note to others: The thought of voting for McCain only lasted about 5 minutes.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I don't like mccain either..but I'd rather buy some time. You know, our liberty movement is very young...we didn't have enough time this go round to change enough hearts and minds. I really fear Obama and the democrats sweeping..what will happen with Ron Paul? They might take him off his important committees and replace him with democrats. Will Ron Paul be allowed to address the house floor? He will be in a worse position than he is now. That would stink. Tones

 

[mitty]

Gee, I am sort of sorry that I donated to you.

+1

this guy would rather waste his time on the internet than actually do something meaningful.

loser

 

[The_Orlonater]

No. Bob Barr sucks too.

My suggestion would be to throw all of your energy, support, prayer, whatever you have behind a great candidate like BJ Lawson, who could very well be the next Ron Paul. Get behind local candidates. Run for office yourself.

Yes, Barr.

I want a stronger LP, it's not like he'll win anyway. Besides, I don't care about a stronger Consitution Party.

 

[The_Orlonater]

+1

this guy would rather waste his time on the internet than actually do something meaningful.

loser

And what the fuck are you doing you hypocritical jackass?

 

[NewFederalist]

Chuck Baldwin owns, and I can't wait to vote for him on tuesday.

Remember, you will have to write him in since he is NOT on the ballot in TX. I suggest you make sure how to do it in advance to avoid confusion.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Zbig's puppet obama will win. The trilateral commission is running things. I don't think it's bad to vote for whatever candidate you want...I'm back to my former position...who cares..both the same. I am going to work at the local and state level..just forget the presidency for now. it's corrupt and corruptable. Tones

 

[worl]

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/search/search.php?q=religion Neal It seems you have a problem with religion. Our laws are based on christian principles, by christian people. Take a look at the supreme court bld. that has the comandments written on them. If the secular left has'nt had them removed. This country is under attack by the secular left & the christian people are only trying to preserve our freedom of religion & you can look up ron paul's wrighting's on the link above & he makes it verry plain that this freedom does'nt end at the school the courtroom or city hall. Our gov. has removed this right & Ron has tried to defend it, as have most christians. As for gay's marrying this is not religious. It may be a cult or some false religion but I know of no true religion that allows gay marrage & marrage is only a religious ceramony. As for drugs I agree the drug war is useless but I also will tell you that they hurt more than the user. I have seen the effects of meth & cocaine & others on the user's children & famialy. In the case of some drugs they hurt other people so alowing all drugs would be wrong.

 

[mitty]

And what the fuck are you doing you hypocritical jackass?

lol. you're calling me a hypocrite yet you don't know anything about me. i can see why you're voting for such a dumbass like barr. i didn't beg people for donations and run for office while wasting time online. mind your own business jackass

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Zbig's puppet obama will win. The trilateral commission is running things. I don't think it's bad to vote for whatever candidate you want...I'm back to my former position...who cares..both the same. I am going to work at the local and state level..just forget the presidency for now. it's corrupt and corruptable. Tones

One of the few things I agree with you about.

 

[Neil Kiernan Stephenson]

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/search/search.php?q=religion Neal It seems you have a problem with religion. Our laws are based on christian principles, by christian people. Take a look at the supreme court bld. that has the comandments written on them. If the secular left has'nt had them removed. This country is under attack by the secular left & the christian people are only trying to preserve our freedom of religion & you can look up ron paul's wrighting's on the link above & he makes it verry plain that this freedom does'nt end at the school the courtroom or city hall. Our gov. has removed this right & Ron has tried to defend it, as have most christians. As for gay's marrying this is not religious. It may be a cult or some false religion but I know of no true religion that allows gay marrage & marrage is only a religious ceramony. As for drugs I agree the drug war is useless but I also will tell you that they hurt more than the user. I have seen the effects of meth & cocaine & others on the user's children & famialy. In the case of some drugs they hurt other people so alowing all drugs would be wrong.

You obviously have not read the rest of this thread where I debunk just about everything you said.

 

[worl]

You said in your first post baldwin was wrong to stop the illegal drugs from coming in our country. I said that some drugs hurt others & this is where the libertairian belief of what you put into your body is your choice is wrong. As for marriage baldwin believes the same as Ron Paul & that is the traditional marrage bettween a man & woman & it is religious not political. He did say he would vote not to allow marriage bettween gay's if it came up.

 

[Theocrat]

Au Contraire

You obviously have not read the rest of this thread where I debunk just about everything you said.

You obviously have not read the information provided on his link because it debunks everything you stand for on these forums, as it relates to religion and government.

 

[worl]

You have debunked nothing. This is still the Ron Paul forums & if you don't like his explaination on religion then it's your problem. Your view is the same as the secular left that wants religious people to go & hide & don't even wear a cross in your presence. Ron Paul also mentioned this separation of church & state which is not even mentioned in the constitution as being bogus & only used to take away the rights of religious people. If your anti-religious thats ok, its your right but don't try to tell me about the separation bull that you people have dreamed up.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I said that some drugs hurt others & this is where the libertairian belief of what you put into your body is your choice is wrong.

Please explain further here. I was with you, until I saw this. How is it government's business to tell us what we can and cannot put into our OWN bodies? Whether it is dangerous for us or not, they are our bodies and OUR lives and unless we infringe on the liberty of someone else, we should be free to do as we damn well please.

 

[worl]

Don't children have rights, have you ever seen what meth does to a family. I have seen children loose their homes & parents. Most have to be taken by other family members because their parents could care about nothing but more drugs. Not only the damage to their family but most people try to get off the stuff & can't. In most cases you either go to jail & get help or to the morgue. I don't know about other drugs but this is one that I don't want legalized. As for the drug war, It is just a way for gov. to make money & should be changed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Don't children have rights, have you ever seen what meth does to a family. I have seen children loose their homes & parents. Most have to be taken by other family members because their parents could care about nothing but more drugs. Not only the damage to their family but most people try to get off the stuff & can't. In most cases you either go to jail & get help or to the morgue. I don't know about other drugs but this is one that I don't want legalized. As for the drug war, It is just a way for gov. to make money & should be changed.

I agree that the stuff is really bad and it does wreck families. But, it's dangerous to look to government to save us from doing harm to our bodies. I mean, where do you draw the line? Who ordained government with the knowledge to know what IS and WHAT IS NOT good for us? Who ordained ANYONE to decide how we should live our lives, as long as we are not infringing upon another's liberty?

 

[worl]

I understand & I don't want gov. in my personal buisness either, but in this case I have seen parents get their children arested to save their lives. 50 & 60 years old & trying to raise their grandchildren. I'm just saying without this one being illegal, there would be no way for a person to get help because they can't stop without force.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I understand & I don't want gov. in my personal buisness either, but in this case I have seen parents get their children arested to save their lives. 50 & 60 years old & trying to raise their grandchildren. I'm just saying without this one being illegal, there would be no way for a person to get help because they can't stop without force.

Think this through. There are a lot of things out there that I personally would like to see stopped, but government is rarely the answer. Freedom is messy, but it's always the best way. To do otherwise, is to willingly leave the door open for government to decide how we should live our lives.

If nothing else, it should be a state issue and not a federal issue. Legislating drugs is not in the Constitution.

 

[worl]

I agree that with this gov. everything is screwed up & they have used the drug war for profit. If we had a gov. that was controled by the people we could work out a lot of the problems we have & hopefully this is in the neer future. I will also agree that it should be a state issue & get the fed out entirely since they are most of the problem.