"The biggest difference between Gary Johnson and Ron Paul"

[RP Supporter]

http://www.uncoveredpolitics.com/20...ween-gary-johnson-and-ron-paul/#comment-28819

Critical article from a Gary Johnson supporter. Basically accuses Paul of running a nepotistic cult who worships the last name Paul. Because you know, no one batted an eye when Rand endorsed Romney.

Also makes the laughable case that Johnson's done more for liberty then Paul. Tot hat I say, how many of us would have eve heard of Johnson without hearing of Ron first? Hell, would Gary have even have run without witnessing Paul's success last time?

 

[Victor Grey]

Gary talks about vague things and puts issues into a small scope and concept.

"The debt. Debt bad. I stand Stop Debt. Marijuana.
Freedoms. . .

I'm Gary Johnson."

Then he talks about New Mexico, and hiking.

Ron Paul talks about specific things and puts issues into a broad scope and concept.

*10 minute discourse on the federal reserve*
". . .and that is why debt is bad, and how it pertains to economic and social freedom."

Then he talks about Government, and bicycles.

 

[showpan]

Yeah, I just checked out his site and came to the conclusion in about 3-4 minutes that he doesn't actually have a clue. It appears that he has borrowed some of his ideology from Ron Paul but he doesn't really understand what needs to be done and why.

 

[Mini-Me]

Gary is a "libertarian" in the "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" sense. He doesn't fit into the typical two-party mold, and he aligns more closely with libertarians than anyone else, which incidentally happens to anyone with a shred of common sense. He doesn't have a solid philosophical footing in enlightenment principles, let alone libertarian principles, but I think people should show some restraint in their criticism of him...he's a decent enough person, even if he's not my favorite cup of tea, and even if I'm not totally comfortable with everything he's done (e.g. private prisons can be extremely dangerous if the incentives aren't correct, and if I were going to lay out a plan to scale down the state all the way to anarcho-capitalism, that would pretty much be the very last point of action, to be approached with extreme caution). Assuming Romney becomes the GOP nominee, I'll probably vote for Gary in November, unless there's some massive "write-in-Paul" campaign. Either one accomplishes the purpose of a protest vote, so to me it would be about picking the one that speaks loudest.

 

[JohnAshman]

http://www.uncoveredpolitics.com/20...ween-gary-johnson-and-ron-paul/#comment-28819Also makes the laughable case that Johnson's done more for liberty then Paul. Tot hat I say, how many of us would have eve heard of Johnson without hearing of Ron first? Hell, would Gary have even have run without witnessing Paul's success last time?

Well, I think that the point being made is that as governor, he actually had the power to implement things whereas one of 435 people, Ron didn't have the power. I think there is no doubt as to who has been the loudest and most successful spokersperson.

 

[JohnAshman]

Yeah, I just checked out his site and came to the conclusion in about 3-4 minutes that he doesn't actually have a clue. It appears that he has borrowed some of his ideology from Ron Paul but he doesn't really understand what needs to be done and why.

His 8 years of governership shows he is quite "clued". The difference is that he is more of an intuitive person who instinctively "gets it". He is also willing to listen to highly intellectual arguments while keeping both of his feet on the ground. He looks at things through cost/benefit as well, which generally sides with the libertarian perspective.

Keep in mind that Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he's a constitutional conservative and a social conservative at that. Gary Johnson is closer to a libertarian and a pragmatic one at that. Which mean that he won't demand the impossible, he will simply set his course on impossible and get as close as he can to it. One of his first lessons was that you don't refuse to take a small step because you want to take a bigger one.

 

[tfurrh]

I'M TIRED OF THE INFIGHTING!!!

Sh!t you guys.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Gary Johnson sucks thats the biggest difference.

If you're going to vote for Johnson just write in Ron Paul instead. You say it won't count as much as Gary Johnson but if years from now if you have to say "I voted for Gary Johnson instead of Ron Paul to send a message that was never received" then you're going to feel bad about it.

Ron Paul's ideas will win out in the end, i'd rather be apart of that legacy, that's why I think it counts more.

 

[Bruehound]

I find GJ far more tolerable than i do his supporters.

 

[JohnAshman]

Gary Johnson sucks thats the biggest difference.

If you're going to vote for Johnson just write in Ron Paul instead. You say it won't count as much as Gary Johnson but if years from now if you have to say "I voted for Gary Johnson instead of Ron Paul to send a message that was never received" then you're going to feel bad about it.

Ron Paul's ideas will win out in the end, i'd rather be apart of that legacy, that's why I think it counts more.

They're not Ron Paul's ideas. There's no copyright on freedom.

 

[jmdrake]

Gary Johnson sucks thats the biggest difference.

If you're going to vote for Johnson just write in Ron Paul instead. You say it won't count as much as Gary Johnson but if years from now if you have to say "I voted for Gary Johnson instead of Ron Paul to send a message that was never received" then you're going to feel bad about it.

And the reason I'll feel bad is because.....? Oh yeah. You didn't give one.

Ron Paul's ideas will win out in the end, i'd rather be apart of that legacy, that's why I think it counts more.

The "if you don't write in Ron Paul you are betraying his ideas" argument died with Rand's endorsement of Mitt Romney. I'm not mad at Rand. He has to do what he thinks is best. So do I. He's being pragmatic. So am I. If a 2012 version of Chuck Baldwin is running I'll vote for him. Otherwise I'm voting for Gary Johnson. Enough with the cat herding already.

 

[JohnAshman]

I find GJ far more tolerable than i do his supporters.

Me too, and I'm one of them

 

[JohnAshman]

If you're going to vote for Johnson just write in Ron Paul instead. You say it won't count as much as Gary Johnson but if years from now if you have to say "I voted for Gary Johnson instead of Ron Paul to send a message that was never received" then you're going to feel bad about it.

If you vote for someone who isn't on the ballot, you're not sending a message at all. That's the unfortunate reality.

 

[jmdrake]

His 8 years of governership shows he is quite "clued". The difference is that he is more of an intuitive person who instinctively "gets it". He is also willing to listen to highly intellectual arguments while keeping both of his feet on the ground. He looks at things through cost/benefit as well, which generally sides with the libertarian perspective.

Keep in mind that Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he's a constitutional conservative and a social conservative at that. Gary Johnson is closer to a libertarian and a pragmatic one at that. Which mean that he won't demand the impossible, he will simply set his course on impossible and get as close as he can to it. One of his first lessons was that you don't refuse to take a small step because you want to take a bigger one.

Gary Johnson's views on abortion are the only thing that might keep me from not voting for him. Sorry but I don't buy the "you're not an individual until you leave the birth canal" argument. That said GJ's views in general match mind better than Obama's and McCain's and I have no interest in a protest write in Ron Paul vote that won't even be counted.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Gary is a "libertarian" in the "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" sense. He doesn't fit into the typical two-party mold, and he aligns more closely with libertarians than anyone else, which incidentally happens to anyone with a shred of common sense. He doesn't have a solid philosophical footing in enlightenment principles, let alone libertarian principles, but I think people should show some restraint in their criticism of him...he's a decent enough person, even if he's not my favorite cup of tea, and even if I'm not totally comfortable with everything he's done (e.g. private prisons can be extremely dangerous if the incentives aren't correct, and if I were going to lay out a plan to scale down the state all the way to anarcho-capitalism, that would pretty much be the very last point of action, to be approached with extreme caution. Assuming Romney becomes the GOP nominee, I'll probably vote for Gary in November, unless there's some massive "write-in-Paul" campaign. Either one accomplishes the purpose of a protest vote, so to me it would be about picking the one that speaks loudest.

Absolutely agree.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I find GJ far more tolerable than i do his supporters.

many say the same exact thing about us RP guys.

 

[tfurrh]

many say the same exact thing about us RP guys.

And Christians for that matter.

 

[JohnAshman]

Gary Johnson's views on abortion are the only thing that might keep me from not voting for him. Sorry but I don't buy the "you're not an individual until you leave the birth canal" argument. That said GJ's views in general match mind better than Obama's and McCain's and I have no interest in a protest write in Ron Paul vote that won't even be counted.

That's cool. Although, so you know, Johnson did say that his judicial appointments would be conservative, original intent guys who would probably look askance at RvW.

I'm pro-life in principle, but don't see how to get from here to there without tearing the nation apart at the seams.

 

[cheapseats]

...Although, so you know, Johnson did say that his judicial appointments would be conservative, original intent guys who would probably look askance at RvW...

What ELSE would he say? Sheesh.

[I might flop-flip and play Devil's Advocate, rather than keep quiet about Gary Johnson. If you WANT me to keep quiet, I'd be cooperating with your Plan while I'm decidering. So many Political Operatives, so little time.]

 

[dannno]

Also makes the laughable case that Johnson's done more for liberty then Paul. Tot hat I say, how many of us would have eve heard of Johnson without hearing of Ron first? Hell, would Gary have even have run without witnessing Paul's success last time?

Honestly I wish I'd heard of Ron Paul first, but I heard of Gary Johnson back around '99 when he was advocating legalizing cannabis in New Mexico. I wrote him a letter of support and I got a nice letter back. I considered myself a libertarian from around '96-'00, then went "Green Libertarian" until '07 when I started supporting Ron Paul. I was and still am completely baffled I'd never heard of Ron Paul before '07.

Gary Johnson is an ok beltway type libertarian who I'd support and vote for, but he doesn't seem to have the entire philosophy down very well.