The Audacity of Ignorance

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I do not know. I have studied, researched, and experienced many things, but I do not really know much of anything to a certainty. Then why should you listen to me? Because I am admitting my ignorance at the outset.

I’m tired of the labels. I’m tired of conclusory arguments. I’m tired of watching people scream out their position without a moment’s consideration. I’m tired of “Democrats” must believe in “this” and “Republicans” believe in “that.” I’m tired of being told what I should be doing, what I should believe, and what I should care about. I’m tired of hearing the federal government has all the answers to all our problems. The plain truth is this: no one really knows what they are talking about.

This does not stop people from acting like they know. The tool of choice for the audaciously ignorant is laughter and pompousness. For some reason, people consider those types of actions as indications that a person knows something they don’t. The way to combat these tactics is to simply ask: why? Why are you laughing? Why do you think you know? Why do you reach that conclusion without any supporting evidence?

Ron Paul supporters have a Socratic advantage. Socrates declared he was wiser than others because in all probability no one knew anything, yet people thought they did when they do not and Socrates neither knew anything nor imagined he did. Likewise, Ron Paul supporters admit our ignorance. At some point, each of us realized how little we actually know about how the world worked. How little we knew of history. How little we knew of economics. How little we knew of the Constitution. How little we knew about a Federal government’s tendencies. Each of us is still learning.

In fact, supporting Ron Paul means fundamentally supporting the idea that no single individual or small group of individuals can be consistently relied upon for the best answer in the least amount of time. Opponents will argue that the very fact no individual can be trusted with any important, complex decision supports the conclusion that the federal government should become involved. However, the truth is, the government is simply comprised of people. And those people are just as ignorant as the rest of us.

Ron Paul supports free markets. Free market capitalism is the only known system shown to raise the average person above grinding poverty. A profound example occurred when the Soviet Union showed The Grapes of Wrath--a film depicting the Great Depression in America--to its people in an effort to convince them about the perils and results of free market capitalism. The plan backfired.

The Soviet people were impressed that the family in the movie, despite being “poor”, actually had a vehicle. Further, they were impressed the family was free to move to a different location to start anew when things got bad. People are often ignorant of their relative position. Poverty in the US is different from poverty in Africa.

But what does it really mean to support a free markets and free enterprise? It means we admit the ignorance of the few. It means that we realize that the few cannot control markets, create efficiency or prosperity. They are ignorant of all the necessary information.

Intelligence and ignorance are different. Ignorance is the state of being uninformed. Intelligence is simply the ability to learn. However, being informed is often not enough when the information is too one-sided. To quote Ronald Reagan, the “trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it is just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Supporting free markets is an implicit admission that any one group of human beings is ignorant. Thus, we choose to defer to the most informed, efficient, effective, and proven system recorded human history has seen: free market capitalism.

Free market capitalism is the only system capable of making sense of the billions of transactions and information constantly occurring worldwide. It is absurd to think dozens or even hundreds of federal government people are capable of gathering, understanding, and efficiently reacting to billions of transactions happening 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and 365 days per year.

The free market is simply composed of people as well. However, it is comprised of all the people. It is all the information—from top to bottom. In short, why would we want only a few people to be tasked with determining what is “right” for the economy? Why would we want only a few people to be tasked with helping the less fortunate? I want all the people to bear the burden of the demands that constantly change and evolve.

Finally, audaciously ignorant people will scream that free markets create greed. The argument continues that anyone who supports free markets necessarily want to make the greedy powerful without constraint. This blatant example of ignorance fails for three reasons.

First, greed is a consequence of being human. It is not a consequence of free markets. Would eliminating free markets eliminate greed? If so, then greed should not exist as a truly free market does not exist.

Second, greedy people in a free market have less power to impact the masses. The “anti-greed” solution, posed by the ignorant, is to concentrate the power to our trustworthy elected officials and other politically-appointed agents. This makes no sense. By concentrating the power, it becomes much easier for a relatively few to have massive influence. Even worse, the people most likely to strive to attain these positions of concentrated power are the ambitious, self-interested politicians. So, in effect, the “answer” is to concentrate the power into positions likely to assumed by the most greedy. It is paradoxical and ignorant.

Third, governments do play an essential role in free markets.

Continue reading at: http://www.ronforrevolution.com/blog.py
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I do not know. I have studied, researched, and experienced many things, but I do not really know much of anything to a certainty. Then why should you listen to me? Because I am admitting my ignorance at the outset.

I’m tired of the labels. I’m tired of conclusory arguments. I’m tired of watching people scream out their position without a moment’s consideration. I’m tired of “Democrats” must believe in “this” and “Republicans” believe in “that.” I’m tired of being told what I should be doing, what I should believe, and what I should care about. I’m tired of hearing the federal government has all the answers to all our problems. The plain truth is this: no one really knows what they are talking about.

This does not stop people from acting like they know. The tool of choice for the audaciously ignorant is laughter and pompousness. For some reason, people consider those types of actions as indications that a person knows something they don’t. The way to combat these tactics is to simply ask: why? Why are you laughing? Why do you think you know? Why do you reach that conclusion without any supporting evidence?

Ron Paul supporters have a Socratic advantage. Socrates declared he was wiser than others because in all probability no one knew anything, yet people thought they did when they do not and Socrates neither knew anything nor imagined he did. Likewise, Ron Paul supporters admit our ignorance. At some point, each of us realized how little we actually know about how the world worked. How little we knew of history. How little we knew of economics. How little we knew of the Constitution. How little we knew about a Federal government’s tendencies. Each of us is still learning.

In fact, supporting Ron Paul means fundamentally supporting the idea that no single individual or small group of individuals can be consistently relied upon for the best answer in the least amount of time. Opponents will argue that the very fact no individual can be trusted with any important, complex decision supports the conclusion that the federal government should become involved. However, the truth is, the government is simply comprised of people. And those people are just as ignorant as the rest of us.

Ron Paul supports free markets. Free market capitalism is the only known system shown to raise the average person above grinding poverty. A profound example occurred when the Soviet Union showed The Grapes of Wrath--a film depicting the Great Depression in America--to its people in an effort to convince them about the perils and results of free market capitalism. The plan backfired.

The Soviet people were impressed that the family in the movie, despite being “poor”, actually had a vehicle. Further, they were impressed the family was free to move to a different location to start anew when things got bad. People are often ignorant of their relative position. Poverty in the US is different from poverty in Africa.

But what does it really mean to support a free markets and free enterprise? It means we admit the ignorance of the few. It means that we realize that the few cannot control markets, create efficiency or prosperity. They are ignorant of all the necessary information.

Intelligence and ignorance are different. Ignorance is the state of being uninformed. Intelligence is simply the ability to learn. However, being informed is often not enough when the information is too one-sided. To quote Ronald Reagan, the “trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, it is just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Supporting free markets is an implicit admission that any one group of human beings is ignorant. Thus, we choose to defer to the most informed, efficient, effective, and proven system recorded human history has seen: free market capitalism.

Free market capitalism is the only system capable of making sense of the billions of transactions and information constantly occurring worldwide. It is absurd to think dozens or even hundreds of federal government people are capable of gathering, understanding, and efficiently reacting to billions of transactions happening 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and 365 days per year.

The free market is simply composed of people as well. However, it is comprised of all the people. It is all the information—from top to bottom. In short, why would we want only a few people to be tasked with determining what is “right” for the economy? Why would we want only a few people to be tasked with helping the less fortunate? I want all the people to bear the burden of the demands that constantly change and evolve.

Finally, audaciously ignorant people will scream that free markets create greed. The argument continues that anyone who supports free markets necessarily want to make the greedy powerful without constraint. This blatant example of ignorance fails for three reasons.

First, greed is a consequence of being human. It is not a consequence of free markets. Would eliminating free markets eliminate greed? If so, then greed should not exist as a truly free market does not exist.

Second, greedy people in a free market have less power to impact the masses. The “anti-greed” solution, posed by the ignorant, is to concentrate the power to our trustworthy elected officials and other politically-appointed agents. This makes no sense. By concentrating the power, it becomes much easier for a relatively few to have massive influence. Even worse, the people most likely to strive to attain these positions of concentrated power are the ambitious, self-interested politicians. So, in effect, the “answer” is to concentrate the power into positions likely to assumed by the most greedy. It is paradoxical and ignorant.

Third, governments do play an essential role in free markets.

Continue reading at: http://www.ronforrevolution.com/blog.py
Join the Revolution at the site!
 
Wonderful read. Your point about greed was icing on the cake. I've also tried to speak such history and points of wisdom to OWS supporters who Blame Capitalism, Free Markets, and truly sound like the Communist Ideals of their beloved Karl Marx; which they all love the idea of "spreading democracy." It's unfortunate that they willingly choose to dismiss the notion, that Democracy is what leads to Authoritarian Regimes, which are some of the worst forms of government.

Their "willingness" to impose their will onto others, in the name of spreading Democracy, is the exact burden of proof that they don't respect Liberty.

And before people bash the OP. Yes, it's true that Ron Paul supporters admit our ignorance. It's simply because we acknowledge that fact, that it leads us to wish to learn more out of desire. This is why Ron's movement is very philosophically rooted, and not just because Austrian Economics is philosophically rooted. Ron Paul has cured many supporters apathy to Government and Politics..
 
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Seriously... you join the forum to market t-shirts to us? The audacity of some people, lol.
 
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Seriously... you join the forum to market t-shirts to us? The audacity of some people, lol.

Some people like the shirts, some enjoy the blogs, and his post did reference philosophical history and facts. Was definitely welcoming, and we should all be welcoming, even to our enemies. Smother with love.
 
You know, you are allowed to just say 'Hi, I have some t shirts that are really cool' or whatever, and we'll let it stay in the general forum until people know you exist, then put it in the 'campaign materials' forum. However if you really want to philosophize, and the tshirts are just a signature thing (and we have those, too) I'd probably put this post into the philosophy forum.

Some people like the shirts, some enjoy the blogs, and his post did reference philosophical history and facts. Was definitely welcoming, and we should all be welcoming, even to our enemies. Smother with love.

....and, welcome to the forums! :o
 
You know, you are allowed to just say 'Hi, I have some t shirts that are really cool' or whatever, and we'll let it stay in the general forum until people know you exist, then put it in the 'campaign materials' forum. However if you really want to philosophize, and the tshirts are just a signature thing (and we have those, too) I'd probably put this post into the philosophy forum.



....and, welcome to the forums! :o

He merely wishes to help spread the word of Ron Paul. You can tell he's worked hard to build his blog and foundation. Support the individual=Support Ron.
 
The point of my post is not to sell t-shirts. In fact, I never mentioned t-shirts once. I posted the article I authored today to create a discussion and propose a solution on how to deal with a situation many Ron Paul supporters face. Namely, people laughing and dismissing Dr. Paul or his ideas as "crazy", "radical", etc.

The strategy is to first admit our own ignorance and then get our opponents to admit theirs. After that point, it becomes much easier to persuade people (remember how often Dr. Paul advocates for our use of persuasion?). This is known as the principle of Consistency as outlined in the book The Science of Influence.

I will admit I am slightly upset that you, as a senior moderator, undercut me so quickly simply because my site sells merchandise (a portion of which I am donating to Dr. Paul's campaign). Further, I spent a lot of time creating a unique image and building the website myself. I am contributing to the campaign the only way I know how. If this is not "grass roots" enough for this forum then I do not know what qualifies.

And thank you for the kind words, Philosophy_of_Politics.
 
The point of my post is not to sell t-shirts. In fact, I never mentioned t-shirts once. I posted the article I authored today to create a discussion and propose a solution on how to deal with a situation many Ron Paul supporters face. Namely, people laughing and dismissing Dr. Paul or his ideas as "crazy", "radical", etc.

The strategy is to first admit our own ignorance and then get our opponents to admit theirs. After that point, it becomes much easier to persuade people (remember how often Dr. Paul advocates for our use of persuasion?). This is known as the principle of Consistency as outlined in the book The Science of Influence.

I will admit I am slightly upset that you, as a senior moderator, undercut me so quickly simply because my site sells merchandise (a portion of which I am donating to Dr. Paul's campaign). Further, I spent a lot of time creating a unique image and building the website myself. I am contributing to the campaign the only way I know how. If this is not "grass roots" enough for this forum then I do not know what qualifies.

And thank you for the kind words, Philosophy_of_Politics.

You're not the only person here who has suggested or attempted to use the Socratic Method. It requires certain individuals to use it, considering that it requires much patience. People must be quick to identify and analyze premises and conclusions, in order to ask the right questions. They must also know a fair amount of the topic they're debating, especially on public forums.

If people wish to learn of the Socratic Method, i'd look it up.

However, certain people just refuse to listen. Some will refuse to listen to initially, but reflect back on that conversation or debate. We really need to devise a list of sound arguments and questions which people can use in their debates on other websites and social area's.
 
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You're not the only person here who has suggested or attempted to use the Socratic Method. It requires certain individuals to use it, considering that it requires much patience. People must be quick to identify and analyze premises and conclusions, in order to ask the right questions. They must also know a fair amount of the topic they're debating, especially on public forums.

If people wish to learn of the Socratic Method, i'd look it up.

However, certain people just refuse to listen. Some will refuse to listen to initially, but reflect back on that conversation or debate. We really need to devise a list of sound arguments and questions which people can use in their debates on other websites and social area's.

The Socratic method also has a reputation for getting people killed when use is attempted on humans.
 
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