The aftermath...what now?

[revgen]

It's still early and no candidate has really emerged yet as the clear frontrunner. I'm hopeful that he makes it to the ABC Debate. If he can continue to hang on while others like Christie and Kasich drop like flies, his chances will improve.

 

[CPUd]

I'm supporting Rand until he officially suspends his presidential campaign. I predict it may be after the South Carolina primary. If he has the funds to keep going afterwards, more power to him; he'll have my support. However, as much as I don't want to agree with McConnell, I really think he should sure up his senate seat. Having a Paul in Congress is vital for our country, especially since Clinton is likely to win the general election.

McConnell is not worried about the Senate seat, neither is Rand. He may as well be running unopposed.

 

[Wilf]

Maybe this movement needs to disband; no one can agree on critical issuses, the politicians that we supported are more likely going to sell out on us. Ron is getting old and Rand is going to get away from politics as soon as his second senate term is finished.

 

[JK/SEA]

looks like my last ballot. Will do again if need be... Its called 'principles'....

 

[JK/SEA]

Maybe this movement needs to disband; no one can agree on critical issuses, the politicians that we supported are more likely going to sell out on us. Ron is getting old and Rand is going to get away from politics as soon as his second senate term is finished.

nah...not while we have people like Amash, Massie in our corner.

 

[jbauer]

I'll be in New Hampshire on Sunday because there is still value and possibility requiring my energy. That said, consider this when you consider strategy:

Suppose Rand received 50,000 votes last night instead of Cruz. Who would they be? Answer, a mix of people voting for very different reasons, from pot legalization to anti-war, to liking curly hair, to Austrian economics, to chemtrail crusading, to Audit the Fed, to having a hot neighbor caucusing for Rand, to wanting a doctor in office and no longer liking Carson, to balancing the budget, to Read the Bills and on and on.

The 'liberty movement' is finally breaking away from the mistaken thinking that has always accompanied it since 2007: that "we win" when 50 million people think like "us." Ron's support came from diverse and often unsophisticated ways of thinking. Stop trying to sell people the whole liberty electronics superstore... just bring people in based on one or two products they need. I don't care why you vote for Rand, just tell me what you're looking for and I tell you how Rand is probably your guy. Joining a movement is not necessary.

But can't most people find 2 things they can agree with all candidates? Sanders for instances? Less war. Less walstreet?

 

[jbauer]

No no, you're right. He's going to win NH, NV, KY, ME and so on with 73% of the vote.

The fact that he's polling 6th-7th in NH and nationally, and just about every other state, and the fact he only got 9,000 votes in IA is writing on the wall for us.

I'd rather come to terms that we lost now, then have to prolong the agony like the last 2 cycles.

So I tend to agree. But does it do any good to piss in everyone's Cheerios? There will be more then enough time for that in the future.

 

[Origanalist]

I got you covered.

- ML

And another....

 

[Origanalist]

What does that mean?

It's this meaningless little thing we give to people when we like their post, once you give somebody a rep you have to give half the fucking forum one before you can give them another.

 

[jbauer]

He would have much better chances of being elected as a Democrat he could use his defection to show how the War Party is not tolerant towards the minorities and migrants and only care about starting conflicts.

There isn't enough free shit it his pitch. On top of that I don't think he's anywhere near anti war as his father.
Which sucks because then he's not pure enough for some and yet doesn't want to erase all brown people from the earth like most in the gop and north of 50 crowd.

 

[Origanalist]

There is no aftermath, the fat lady hasn't sung any song. Were one frigging State in, enough with the fucking "Oh my God it's all over bullshit already. Can you please wait until and if we get there? Klamath pissed me off, I had no idea he was just a operative for Cruz. I guess it makes sense now, the only one I remember him going after was Trump.

 

[WTLaw]

I think for the liberty movement to grow, we need some leaders other than just the Pauls. We need a variety of libertarian approaches. I like the concept of libertarian pragmatism.. Soft libertarians, various shades of libertarianish leaders, in addition to the hardliners like Rockwell, Woods, ect. Thats how you know the movement has really made it, when it is a true spectrum with numbers.


I've given a lot of thought to the left/right paradigm recently, and one thing that especially Rand has pointed out is (to paraphrase) "hey wouldnt it be great if we had social liberals and fiscal conservatives together in a sort of left meets right type dynamic, cutting out the mainstream GOP and Dems..." Well, for a while I treated it as this accident of history that the parties are aligned like that, but on second thought, I think the alignment is either by design, or by some invisible hand like equilibrium it orients itself that way. Can we realign the parties? Probably, but we are going to need a few lucky breaks to get there, and a lot more people.

 

[Origanalist]

I think for the liberty movement to grow, we need some leaders other than just the Pauls. We need a variety of libertarian approaches. I like the concept of libertarian pragmatism.. Soft libertarians, various shades of libertarianish leaders, in addition to the hardliners like Rockwell, Woods, ect. Thats how you know the movement has really made it, when it is a true spectrum with numbers.


I've given a lot of thought to the left/right paradigm recently, and one thing that especially Rand has pointed out is (to paraphrase) "hey wouldnt it be great if we had social liberals and fiscal conservatives together in a sort of left meets right type dynamic, cutting out the mainstream GOP and Dems..." Well, for a while I treated it as this accident of history that the parties are aligned like that, but on second thought, I think the alignment is either by design, or by some invisible hand like equilibrium it orients itself that way. Can we realign the parties? Probably, but we are going to need a few lucky breaks to get there, and a lot more people.

We have leaders other than the Paul's, however they are the only ones who have ran for president in a major party.

 

[Patrick Henry]

What is the ground game like in NH? I can't imagine him doing any worse than he did in Iowa. Also Cruz's whole "Armour of Christ" blasphemy won't fly in NH.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Now What?

Hmm. Good question.

It really depends on what kind of person you are, and how much you truly believe in what you claim to believe. If you are the kind of guy who prefers an easy out over fighting the good fight...then go ahead and defect to the Statists. I'm sure it's all sunshine, ponies, and most appealing...acceptance. How great would it feel to compromise? Think of the huge support group, the full nights sleep, the ability to watch TV without getting angry.

Giving up would be great. Or, you can bust your ass every single day, in any way you can, and stand up for what is right. You can embrace the cold loneliness of a strangled campaign. You can struggle to keep the flickering flame of liberty lit for ourselves and for future generations. You can be there with us when we lose. Together. Or by some act of God, you can be there with us when we win. Together.

Can you live with yourself knowing that you had the capacity and opportunity to preserve the true American Tradition, but choose comfortable shackles instead? Can you look yourself in the mirror and say "I have surrendered my mind"?

I can't.

 

[idiom]

I think we are actually winning, big picture. Nearly every candidate on both sides has picked up Ron Paul talking points this go around. We have 3 members in Congress instead of 1 and a lot of allies.

I thing Rand needs to go balls to the wall. He needs to drop a speech like his dad's "what-is" or "imagine" that so challenges the status quo it sets him apart from wanna-be revolutionaries like Trump, Cruz and Sanders.

He need to double down on big issues that are relatable beyond the 2% INTJ End The Fed crowd that makes up the base and this forum.

Make headlines. Call Hillary and Bernie racist for supporting the war on drugs and endless two-faced policies that keep minorities down.

Ron never tried to look sane or fit in, and that how we knew he was the only one.

 

[Origanalist]

Now What?

Hmm. Good question.

It really depends on what kind of person you are, and how much you truly believe in what you claim to believe. If you are the kind of guy who prefers an easy out over fighting the good fight...then go ahead and defect to the Statists. I'm sure it's all sunshine, ponies, and most appealing...acceptance. How great would it feel to compromise? Think of the huge support group, the full nights sleep, the ability to watch TV without getting angry.

Giving up would be great. Or, you can bust your ass every single day, in any way you can, and stand up for what is right. You can embrace the cold loneliness of a strangled campaign. You can struggle to keep the flickering flame of liberty lit for ourselves and for future generations. You can be there with us when we lose. Together. Or by some act of God, you can be there with us when we win. Together.

Can you live with yourself knowing that you had the capacity and opportunity to preserve the true American Tradition, but choose comfortable shackles instead? Can you look yourself in the mirror and say "I have surrendered my mind"?

I can't.

That's a hell of a post #4