The aftermath...what now?

Badger Paul

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This is not an "I told you so" post. Having doing nothing for Rand 2016 other than a small contribution, I will not be an asshole to those worked so tirelessly to help the campaign. As much I was starting to get annoyed at the incredible optimism of kbs and PCU and LatinsforPaul in spite of the polling, I understand what they were trying to do. You've got to give yourself a chance to win before you do so and there would have been no chance for victory if they hadn't made a million calls or signed up 1,000 precinct captains and 10,000 Iowa students. I think they were being sincere as far trying to accomplish which give supporters a reason to hope. Even I was starting to wonder if they were right or at least than Rand was going to do better than his polling. Obviously that wasn't the case. I know how much it hurts. Losing in politics is like getting slugged in the gut. It's not like watching your favorite sports team lose. There you can't control what happens on the field, the court, or the ice. In politics you think you have some measure of control.

But as I said before, what I don't want Paul supporters to do is blame themselves or think if they had just made one more phone call or contact it would have made a difference. No, it would not have. After nine years, this point must sink into the Liberty Movement, Paul Movement, Freedom Movement or Whatever-You-Want-To-Call-It-Movement: You cannot organize your way to the Presidency. You can't enthuse your way to the Presidency. All of this, while important, cannot make up for a bad candidate and on that count Rand has to bare the bulk of the responsibility.

For all the talk of Rand being more polished and articulate than Ron and a better campaigner he wound up with fewer votes in a caucus with another record GOP turnout. And there are a litany of reasons why this was. Rather than go through them all and set off endless debate about them, let me give you an example of what I mean. I read a story (and it may have been in the New Yorker, I can't quite remember) Rand was campaigning at a student gathering for him in Des Moines. After he gave his speech, he left. Just up and left. He didn't stick around, didn't talk to people in the room and make the one-on-one connections that all politicians who run for President in Iowa and New Hampshire do to deepen the commitment of their supporters. This has nothing to do with being too busy (and when will Pauls ever learn no one gives a crap if they make every goddamn quorum call or committee vote back in Washington? Enough with this perfect attendance garbage!). It may well be Rand is too much of an introvert and just not comfortable in these situations. I know the feeling, which is why I'm not running for public office higher than county commissioner. But when you do things like that, you leave people cold, like you assume their support because who you are or what you say. As Bill Clinton once famously said "People don't care what you know until they know you care." Rand should have thought about this long and hard before he decided to run for President. He should not have felt obligated to run. He needed to be clear to himself "I'm going to run for President and I'm going to do what it takes to win." I don't think he ever was, at least not until the late fall when he actually did a better job both in debates and on the stump and the campaign ran better. But by then it was too late.

Now on to brass tacks and reality: The campaign is pretty much done. It's just a matter of when they pull the plug (and if you think Rand getting pressure to drop his Presidential campaign now for his Senate re-election and you haven't seen anything yet ). The only chance Rand had was a good showing in Iowa would jumpstart the campaign in New Hampshire and so on and so forth. Not going to happen. So now what after Rand pulls out? Well that's really up to him. First he has to decide whether he wishes to even stay in politics to begin with. Part of me think he wishes he was back in Bowling Green at his practice. He has to decide is this what he wants to do for the rest of his life or much of it. If so, then he'll run for re-election.

And he'll probably win if he does. But this not much of an accomplishment, not like it was in 2010 in the primary. It seems now in Kentucky that Republicans can run trained seals for office and win. So does Rand really want to be company man for the rest of his political career? McConnell's cabana boy? Since I've heard a lot other crazy ideas this morning here's mine: Maybe Rand should run for re-election as a member of the LP? Maybe he can convince Massie and Amash and few others to join him. Wouldn't that be a political bombshell right now if he announced? Wouldn't that get him more attention than fading away in the GOP primaries? The reason I think he should consider this is the fact the top three vote-getters in the Republican Party right now are some of the biggest boobs and non-Freedom candidates in American politics. Libertarians cannot and should not feign indifference to this or believe the GOP is going to be theirs by inheritance someday. They do not have the support inside the party to make a claim on it. Does Rand, after saying he would do everything he could to bring down Trump really wish to run on the same ticket with him this fall? Or someone he despises like Cruz or another neocon Like Rubio? Why not? You want shake things up in U.S. politics, here's a great opportunity. If not, the Rand enjoy kissing McConell's arse from now into the future. How did his endorsement work out by the way?

As for the rest of the Movement and its elected officials, they need to stake stock in their political careers and see where they wish to go. Hopefully if they do run for statewide office it will be a wise choice rather than foolish fling which will only get themselves beat and end their careers. But it falls into their hands now. The cause needs to go beyond the Pauls. This isn't a cult. While they have achieved much in their careers 9certainly we wouldn't be here without them) it's also obvious they're just not capable of making the big jump to the White House. No shame in that but the time for realism needs to set in. As for this community at RPF, its been amazing we've stayed together all these nine years as people come and go, get banned, come back, die and be born again. This isn't a swan song because I'm sure in some bored moment I'll pop my head in, but we all move on as time progresses. No one wants to lose the sense of community and family we've created yet at the same time it's going to be hard without a Presidential candidate as a focal point to keep it together. I hope I'm wrong and I sure hope this doesn't become a militia hub as many will no doubt reject politics in the wake of this election or become a place to entertain the crazy. We have achieved a lot, don't kid yourself on that bit there's still a long way to go. Yet I will tell you this about politics, once the bug gets in you, you don't quite get rid of it. As Hunter Thompson once wrote, "it's better than sex". You'll be back, in some way or form, you'll be back. Myself included.
 
Simple Truth is this:

The campaign did great. The volunteers did great. The Iowa voters suck.... and it clearly does not appear to be Rand's time. The country is on a war footing. Boobus couldn't care less about personal responsibility and individual liberty. They want to kill the brown people and want more free shit. The only difference between the parties is superficial. The only thing that can bring some fire into the liberty cause is a major economic collapse or something similar.
 
Ultimately, Rand's strategy and rhetoric failed. He was coming off so much goodwill after a successful run as Kentucky's rebel senator and then he just imploded. It wasn't due to a biased media or Trump. The decline was largely self-inflicted. The people were all on-board the Rand Train several months back, but he just didn't excite the masses.
 
"The only thing that can bring some fire into the liberty cause is a major economic collapse or something similar."

Well, it worked before.
 
The movement needs to learn from this experience, not plug their collective ears and pass the buck. Rand's campaign didn't connect with people, didn't have a consistent message or particularly competent branding. People are going to blame everyone but Rand, and that's going to guarantee that that water continues to be tread, and no progress is made. This is a time to reflect and reevaluate, not time to double down on what hasn't worked. The liberty movement is way too optimistic, and lacks a cynical, realpolitik analysis of political strategy. It's either adapt, or forget the political process entirely.
 
Ultimately, Rand's strategy and rhetoric failed. He was coming off so much goodwill after a successful run as Kentucky's rebel senator and then he just imploded. It wasn't due to a biased media or Trump. The decline was largely self-inflicted. The people were all on-board the Rand Train several months back, but he just didn't excite the masses.

I'm counting on you and all the "I told you so" crowd to enlighten us all as to the next step if/when Rand does officially drop out. Clearly support for his campaign was an obstacle preventing true grassroots leadership from stepping forward. :rolleyes:

Seriously, the posts saying "I told you! You said I was a troll! We knew this was going to happen!" is laughable.

We knew we had a snowballs chance in hell, and now everyone wants a gold star for consistently reminding us it's too hot for snowballs.

If only we had believed them!
 
The movement needs to learn from this experience, not plug their collective ears and pass the buck. Rand's campaign didn't connect with people, didn't have a consistent message or particularly competent branding. People are going to blame everyone but Rand, and that's going to guarantee that that water continues to be tread, and no progress is made. This is a time to reflect and reevaluate, not time to double down on what hasn't worked. The liberty movement is way too optimistic, and lacks a cynical, realpolitik analysis of political strategy. It's either adapt, or forget the political process entirely.

The liberty movement is not organized. For three election cycles we've identified with a Paul campaign. That to me has to be the foundation of any strategy going forward. Actually having an organization.
 
The movement needs to learn from this experience, not plug their collective ears and pass the buck. Rand's campaign didn't connect with people, didn't have a consistent message or particularly competent branding. People are going to blame everyone but Rand, and that's going to guarantee that that water continues to be tread, and no progress is made. This is a time to reflect and reevaluate, not time to double down on what hasn't worked. The liberty movement is way too optimistic, and lacks a cynical, realpolitik analysis of political strategy. It's either adapt, or forget the political process entirely.

The campaign was far too passive thinking that they could eloquently reason with the masses with their niche issues. Paul never really wanted to tap into the national anger because his team was scared what the media would say about him. LOL Say what you want about Ron Paul and his various missteps, but he ran a better campaign than his son has.
 
The liberty movement is way too optimistic, and lacks a cynical, realpolitik analysis of political strategy. It's either adapt, or forget the political process entirely.

Yeah because they all get fucking banned, neg rep'd, and shunned when they start to speak.

The "Rand will win with 27K votes" isn't just optimistic, it is just not looking at reality. We HAD a chance, and it was 2012, and the media manipulation of the election, the fabricated surge of Santorum, and the RNC shenanigans killed our chance. It's over now. The problem that is the United States will never be solved peacefully, through political means. And I think after 3 election cycles of running Paul's, we should know that.
 
Well I'm with Rand until he quits (and even then, I have no one else to vote for), but I do think he needs to work on rebuilding his base of support. Rand at one time had the liberty vote, parts of the conservative base, and part of the anti-establishment base. I think for one reason or another (perhaps in some cases was self-inflicted, while others out of his control) Rand started losing some of his share in the conservative and anti-establishment crowd. Rand had a good amount of support/people who were favorable towards him at places like Breitbart, Redstate, and TheBlaze, but that no longer appears to be the case. I think Perception is a big issue. Somewhere along the line a perception was created that Rand was no longer a viable candidate to much of these people, and his favorables started tanking and many started becoming outright hostile towards Rand. Perceptions are powerful and can lead people to view someone in a light that isn't really consistent with reality. Rand unfortunately got stuck with negative perceptions and hasn't shaken it off yet. That's how I see it anyways. It's nothing that can't be fixed, though will probably take some time, but in the end I'm happy with Rand. He is fighting for liberty and that's all I can ask for.
 
Next up is New Hampshire...

Rand Paul had a strong top-five finish by placing ahead of Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, John Kasich, and the last two Iowa Caucus winners tonight. The voters spoke for the first time, and they showed that they believe everyone in our country should have the liberty to make the most of their lives, not just the well-connected and the political establishment.Whether the issue is constitutional government, a balanced budget, a rational foreign policy, or preserving the entire Bill of Rights for all citizens, Rand Paul is the only one standing up for conservatives and liberty-loving Americans.

Tonight's vote reveals that the race for the White House is wide open. Dr. Rand Paul believes his voice is important to the debate, and calls on ABC and the RNC to make sure he is on the stage next weekend in New Hampshire. The results today demand it. "Every election we are told by the party establishment that the times are too dire or risky to try freedom as a solution. They say that the message of liberty and personal responsibility must wait until next election. But tonight, the people of Iowa proved that the time is now. We have never been more hungry for personal freedom and a restrained government. I'm grateful to my supporters here in the Hawkeye state, and I look forward to continuing the fight for liberty in New Hampshire," said Dr. Rand Paul.
 
Third Party is suicide until a state assembly and governship is won and that state outperforms all 49 other states.
 
All in all this was a very unusual election. I don't think we should be comparing it to 2012 or even 2008 for that matter. It's simply not a fair comparison and as evidence for that, the prior two first place finishers finished dead last and second to dead last. It just wasn't our year. Even with a perfectly run campaign things may not have been terribly different.
 
Yeah because they all get fucking banned, neg rep'd, and shunned when they start to speak.

The "Rand will win with 27K votes" isn't just optimistic, it is just not looking at reality. We HAD a chance, and it was 2012, and the media manipulation of the election, the fabricated surge of Santorum, and the RNC shenanigans killed our chance. It's over now. The problem that is the United States will never be solved peacefully, through political means. And I think after 3 election cycles of running Paul's, we should know that.

It won't be solved through a quick fix top down one shot candidate.
 
I'm not sure if it's what you meant, but I wouldn't say that people that reject politics are part of the "crazy." That being said, I largely agree with your post. I think we must also recognize that the GOP is nothing more than the "progressive-lite" party. They don't really run on any solutions, rather they run on the promise that they will slightly slow down the movement towards progressivism. At the end of the day, both parties are progressive and the GOP has no real identity. I mean 95% of Iowa voters just voted for more war, more government, and more debt.
 
Just before last night's caucus there was a little poll that asked Iowa voters which candidate matches your values? A decent share went to Ben Carson. Nice guy, but I guess "my values" = Lampshade? Houseplant? Unintelligible ramblings?? The guy didn't even speak at a caucus site, more than doubled Rand's vote totals, and left for Florida the same afternoon!

The bottom line is that (even if correct) we are telling people what they don't want to hear. Most people (even in the so called Tea Party) don't really want smaller government. They want to keep their Social Security, Medicade, and student loans for their kids, yet get those Ghetto Queens off welfare . At the same time, they want unlimited resources for the military and a carte blanche mandate to bomb most of the Middle East back to the 11th century - yesterday ... as well as a wall to put up and a task force to round up those Mexicans who moved in down the street, can't speak 'Merican, and are bringing their property values down with their chickens and goats in the backyard. In short, they want a Big Government that will provide their middle class, white, church going, community the free stuff they need while arming them with a force that will carry out their xenophobic lusts to bomb and ban brown people.

With the excitement of Ron's runs in 2008 and 2012 last night's events lead me to believe we were fooled. Ron was the only. lightning rod, option for the angry and disaffected of many stripes at the time ...not a bunch of guys sitting around studying Hayek. Last night, a decent share of those same votes and voters went for Cruz, Trump, and, in part, our millennial, "libertarian", youth vote turned out for Senator Venezuela .

As Harry Browne lamented in his 70's classic How I found Freedom in an Unfree World, politics is a very poor place to find one's freedom.

It is not eloquence. It is not reason. It is force ...and for that all we have to offer is an empty pot.
 
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Well I'm with Rand until he quits (and even then, I have no one else to vote for),

Yep, me too....He's it for me.

And I had to laugh about the post that said what went down had nothing to do with media bias...puleeese....if he had 24/7 coverage like Trump, had his name mentioned alternately with Trump's like Cruz, or was the establishment choice like Rubio, he would have won..I am amazed he is still standing..for months he's the only one they keep trying to drive out of the race; every interview includes when are you dropping out...I mean, come on, get real...the fact that he beat Bush is a miracle...I'm going to be phone banking as soon as I start getting the NH surveys and I'm sending a donation.
 
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