The 4th Amendment & warrantless searches

It does, you are as pathetic as the people who claim the 2ndA is about state militias because the first part states that a well regulated militia (well known to be composed of every able bodied man) was one of the purposes.

The 4thA states that the people are to be free of unreasonable searches, it then states the requirements for reasonable searches, the requirements are all about warrants.

Coincidently, that same thought occurred to me. During the recent gun control debate between David Hogg and Spike Cohen, Hogg made up a new, novel original intent of the 2nd Amendment.

He stated that the 2nd was about militias, and the "well-regulated" portion meant that government had mandated that every able bodied man between 18-60 have a gun, and that to "regulate" this, government could enter anyone's home at any time to verify and inspect their guns.
 
"Courts have always allowed some searches without warrants"

Wrong. Like every other erosion of the bill of rights, it has occurred slowly over time. Like the supposed "shouting fire in a crowded theater" exception to the 1st amendment, "hot pursuit" of a criminal was used to justify an exception to the 4th.

Erosion over time does not address the original intent, or meaning of the 4th amendment.

That being said, what is your point? Do you support FISA with no warrant requirements? Do you support violations of the 4th amendment as long as it is deemed "reasonable" by operatives of the current regime?

Are you saying that there are court cases that held that the Constitution does not allow any searches at all without warrants?

Which cases?
 
That being said, what is your point? Do you support FISA with no warrant requirements? Do you support violations of the 4th amendment as long as it is deemed "reasonable" by operatives of the current regime?

No. Of course not.

My points are: 1. that the Constitution is not the friend of liberty that libertarians often portray it to be; and 2. when stating matters of fact, we should get the facts right whether we like them or not.
 
... Courts have issued varying opinions...

Who cares. People with an agenda spout the most outrageously false things imaginable. This proves nothing. When I say it is unconstitutional on its face, what I am specifically pointing out is that judicial review on these specific points is completely irrelevant except as a matter of procedure. The unconstitutionality and inherent contradiction of "reasonable warrantless search" is obvious on its face. It makes as much sense as a square-circle, a dry-ocean or an honest fiat money.

Nothing you said is true. Courts have always allowed some searches without warrants.

The other reasons under which searches can occur are (a) consent of the individual to be searched (or owner of the house, if a house), (b) the issuance of a warrant for arrest (since the individual will be searched upon being arrested), and (d) "exigent circumstances", meaning, the police believed a crime was ongoing or about to occur, or destruction of evidence of a crime, and so on. Even these carve-outs are playing with fire when it comes to the 4th Amendment and I can see no reason why any of them must be permitted to exist, particularly in the post-911 world. Since the tyrants are "playing to the edges of the box" they are given to play in, as Hayden put it, behaving like leashed dogs, then they must be treated like dogs and be leashed and punished accordingly. Since they insist on abusing the leash, then let them be chained to the stake. Let's impose the fullest possible meaning of the 4th Amendment. Let We The People "play to the edges of the box" for once, where the "box" in this case is the Constitution, you know, the supreme law of the land. Or maybe the Federales would like to deny that that is what the Constitution is. Which is fine by me. Their funeral.
 
Be that as it may, the Constitution doesn't explicitly prohibit them.

Nor does it mandate them. So if WTP start playing by Hayden-rules, that's doomsday for the MIC. I am eager to play by their rules, they only need say the word...
 
Coincidently, that same thought occurred to me. During the recent gun control debate between David Hogg and Spike Cohen, Hogg made up a new, novel original intent of the 2nd Amendment.

He stated that the 2nd was about militias, and the "well-regulated" portion meant that government had mandated that every able bodied man between 18-60 have a gun, and that to "regulate" this, government could enter anyone's home at any time to verify and inspect their guns.

We should agree to that, with the stipulation that you have to show up for Muster from time to time to have your Government provided gun inspected.
Muster day is how the Founding Fathers did it and Congress is mandated to arm the militia.
 
We should agree to that, with the stipulation that you have to show up for Muster from time to time to have your Government provided gun inspected.
Muster day is how the Founding Fathers did it and Congress is mandated to arm the militia.

Hmmm. Never heard about Congress (govt) arming the public. Where do I get my modern military arm?

(I do recall the M1 Garand program, but I believe that expired...)

Anyway, going way off topic...
 
Hmmm. Never heard about Congress (govt) arming the public. Where do I get my modern military arm?

(I do recall the M1 Garand program, but I believe that expired...)

Anyway, going way off topic...

A1S8 ...To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia...

They have never properly fulfilled the mandate because they don't want to empower the people as they are mandated to do.
 
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