That pilot featured in the debate last night

[robatsu]

she was strong of will enough to put up with whatever BS people threw at her for not being white and/or male. It may not mean much to you, but I find it inspiring.

You're making an assumption that the military is throwing up roadblocks to nonwhite/non females. That may have been the case 30/40 years ago, but you have a hard time convincing me that anyone evincing the slightest bit of racism in the USMC wouldn't have their career ended in a moment nowadays. So, while she is not Rosa Parks, she is glib and pleasant, although it is uncertain how many high marks a similar performance by a white (or non-black) and possibly non-female person would elicit. So are we all just being patronizing here (hey, look at the nice performance by a black female, isn't that cute).

FWIW, I was enlisted sniper in USMC, then a submarine officer in USN, my brother is currently flying combat aircraft in Afghanistan. Yes, we're blue-eyed anglos, but, before accusing me of racism or angry white male stuff, I'm in an interracial marriage (with children) as is my brother. Maybe it is that that makes me speak a little more freely than the patronization I see from other (presumably) white folks. Not that I'm jiggy or anything.

 

[winston84]

I noticed her applause to RP's responses, not surprised.

 

[hard@work]

You're making an assumption that the military is throwing up roadblocks to nonwhite/non females. That may have been the case 30/40 years ago, but you have a hard time convincing me that anyone evincing the slightest bit of racism in the USMC wouldn't have their career ended in a moment nowadays. So, while she is not Rosa Parks, she is glib and pleasant, although it is uncertain how many high marks a similar performance by a white (or non-black) and possibly non-female person would elicit. So are we all just being patronizing here (hey, look at the nice performance by a black female, isn't that cute).

FWIW, I was enlisted sniper in USMC, then a submarine officer in USN, my brother is currently flying combat aircraft in Afghanistan. Yes, we're blue-eyed anglos, but, before accusing me of racism or angry white male stuff, I'm in an interracial marriage (with children) as is my brother. Maybe it is that that makes me speak a little more freely than the patronization I see from other (presumably) white folks. Not that I'm jiggy or anything.

That's all well and good but the point he made still stands. First is not easily achieved, you should know that. As for patronizing, I don't think so. I see her similarly however my interest in her is as an individual who has done great things. The details of them, down to even race and gender, are just attributes to the individual.

*shrug*

I don't see anything wrong with that. But perhaps you're right from another perspective.

 

[hard@work]

Oh and I watched some of her videos. She's a really good speaker. If she does come out for Dr. Paul I'm going to see if I can volunteer under her. Anyone get any info please post.

 

[robatsu]

That's all well and good but the point he made still stands. First is not easily achieved, you should know that. As for patronizing, I don't think so. I see her similarly however my interest in her is as an individual who has done great things. The details of them, down to even race and gender, are just attributes to the individual.

So why is she more interesting than any other combat fighter pilot. I know the Navy has about 75,000 aviation officers, I assume the Air Force has the same, and then the Army, with all is chopper pilots, yada yada, it's not like she is Crick/Watson discovering DNA. Yeah, it is cool to fly hi-perf planes for the gov, but it isn't like thousands of people enter into this for the first time every year.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

So why is she more interesting than any other combat fighter pilot. I know the Navy has about 75,000 aviation officers, I assume the Air Force has the same, and then the Army, with all is chopper pilots, yada yada, it's not like she is Crick/Watson discovering DNA. Yeah, it is cool to fly hi-perf planes for the gov, but it isn't like thousands of people enter into this for the first time every year.

Thats easy, if they come out publicly for Ron they will be interesting too.

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[robatsu]

Thats easy, if the come out publicly for Ron they will be interesting too.

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Well, I'm a former submarine officer for RP, nuclear weapons, hunt for red october and all, seal delivery vehicles, right out of james bond, blind man's bluff and all. Do I get a book deal? No. Do I want one? No, although if someone is giving away bux, sure. Me, I find this fawning over blacks, african americans doing things that non-blacks do as a matter of course vomitously patronizing. The worst part about it is that people doing it are doing it because they consider themselves "progressive". Yeah, Vernice talks ok, but on an objective standard, she does that, ok, pretty good. But because she is black, some great white father anglos want to say, oh, isn't that wonderful, and give her an extra 20%. Me, I know 20k people that could give that interview, listened to colorblindedly. Be honest with yourself, people. Beyond that, before I get the whammy from the PC people, I hasten to remind that I am in an interracial marriage (with children). In a superstitious fashion, I hope this invokation wards off the PC killer demons.

 

[robatsu]

P.S.

If you were truly objective, but yet racially bean counting, instead of marveling over the wonder of Vernice Armour (a delightful lady, as far as I can tell), you should be critical of the Afro/Am community for not producing more like her.

 

[hard@work]

So why is she more interesting than any other combat fighter pilot. I know the Navy has about 75,000 aviation officers, I assume the Air Force has the same, and then the Army, with all is chopper pilots, yada yada, it's not like she is Crick/Watson discovering DNA. Yeah, it is cool to fly hi-perf planes for the gov, but it isn't like thousands of people enter into this for the first time every year.

Well if I may be blunt: because she's an energetic successful black woman. And I happen to like black people, and it's very nice to see one doing something that has not been done before from what I understand. Do I believe that she is better than any other pilot based on these attributes? No, not at all. In fact you're correct, she is nothing special compared to a German or Irish born brown haired white male pilot (without me comparing records that is).

Additionally she is a speaker. And I happen to have a place in my heart for speakers, Dr. Paul being the #1 at the moment. Speakers are awesome people. They usually are very passionate and caring about their speach and very engaging in debate. Again since she is black, the thought that she could be a bridge between the individuals who share her ethnicity and the campaign is heartwarming! As a speaker she has the ability to communicate the philosophy of liberty to groups of individuals. As a successful black woman she has the background and track record to prove that personal accountability can always triumph over adversity. The thought that the spark of liberty will ignite and spread throughout the so called "minority" communities? Encouraging and exciting thoughts for me. And we need outreach, we need it badly.

All because she's black and understood the message. And there's not a durn thing wrong with that now is there?

I'm merely filled with hope, take it as you will.

 

[Trassin]

"people remarked" I know that you said you had nothing concrete and you were right.

Is she still active duty? Aren't there policies in place for the military that says you can't endorse, let alone campaign, for a politician?

The short answer is yes, Kalami. The longer answer can be found HERE

 

[robatsu]

All because she's black and understood the message. And there's not a durn thing wrong with that now is there?

Other than the fact that "she is black". Why shouldn't it be "because he/she understood the message". Do we get extra points for blacks?

 

[Lady Liberty]

Robatsu,:o I'm sorry my comment upset you. I did not mean the military, or you in general gave her flack. And you are right, that was an assumption on my part based on personal experience, about her dealing with anything out of the ordinary. I was just trying to explain my interest in her, which apparently I did a poor job of. I'm glad that a black woman fighter pilot is no big deal to you. That speaks volumes about the open mindedness of our armed forces. If you know alot of military men and women who would speak on behalf of Ron, please encourage them to do so. I'm sure each and every one of them would inspire voters who could identify with them. I just happen to identify with this one, being that I'm a woman in a male dominated field. I would pause to listen to what she had to say, others would pause to listen to you or other military men and women. I haven't heard alot from our armed forces (outside of the fact that alot are apparently donating). I think alot of us would like to hear what they (yourself included) have to say about Ron's policies.

 

[chon]

there was a comment that Huckabee made to her about she will prolly be there again as in the middle east did i hear correctly???

 

[Lady Liberty]

Yea I forgot about that....it came off like a threat! I'm surprised he didn't get booed. My husband and I were yelling at the TV at that point.

 

[chon]

haha me too!!!!

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Well, I'm a former submarine officer for RP, nuclear weapons, hunt for red october and all, seal delivery vehicles, right out of james bond, blind man's bluff and all. Do I get a book deal? No. Do I want one? No, although if someone is giving away bux, sure. Me, I find this fawning over blacks, african americans doing things that non-blacks do as a matter of course vomitously patronizing. The worst part about it is that people doing it are doing it because they consider themselves "progressive". Yeah, Vernice talks ok, but on an objective standard, she does that, ok, pretty good. But because she is black, some great white father anglos want to say, oh, isn't that wonderful, and give her an extra 20%. Me, I know 20k people that could give that interview, listened to colorblindedly. Be honest with yourself, people. Beyond that, before I get the whammy from the PC people, I hasten to remind that I am in an interracial marriage (with children). In a superstitious fashion, I hope this invokation wards off the PC killer demons.

I have to agree with what you say, but what is controlling all this is the controlled MSM which has catapulted certain groups to the for front, and by utilizing their own standards could help for positive PR. Not saying it is right but that is just how it works. And if she can help out so it would be nice. I'm sure from what I read about her she is an accomplished individual who wants the best for our country.

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[Geronimo]

That aside, I think some of us should consider emailing her, and letting her know we saw her on the debate and how much we admire her, etc. Then ask her to support Ron Paul. Nonchalantly. Do not want to overwhelm her. If she is serious about supporting him, I am sure she will write back. I am going to do it.

That's a damn fine idea.

If only the Iraq Veterans Against the War would openly endorse him.

 

[libertythor]

Why wouldn't she? Most black acheivers are very suspicious of government. Yes, most may be Democrats, but they are educated and have a mind of their own.

The majority of African Americans are sick of the victimhood mentality and pandering.

On average black cops are rougher on their own than white cops. Check the statistics.

Check out this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=soKkoPpvi7o

Why wouldn't they be receptive to liberty? Isn't that what most of civil rights was all about. (Lets not get into the reverse discrimination and affirmative action. Thats another thing all together.)

 

[wgadget]

Hey, someone said she's from TN.

Next weekend there is a rally up in Nashville...Any chance we could get her up there in short order to speak?

 

[libertythor]

Well... I had some respect for her before she declared herself a 'life coach'.

Well...think of it as being a mentor. She just wants to help people. Obviously she knows something about acheivement. I respect her.