Thank God, and finally. Now we can move forward seriously.

What would actually help is for the GOP-loyalist faction of our movement would not slap the other factions at all, for their thinking that Paul running independent would help his GOP prospects. It would help if one group did not high handedly define agreement with them as "moving forward" and disagreement as "giving up."

I do not support our slapping down each other (not that I'm perfect by any stretch of the imagination). I don't know that Dr. Paul will not run as an independent. I DO know we are in the middle of a race for the Republican nomination and need to focus on that task right now.
 
Thanks... this really pulled me away from the abyss! i recommend everyone post this on their meet-up's page!!!
The rEVOLution is alive and well!!!!!
 
...the character from Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot. You should read it.
Ok, read the wiki about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

Ron Paul could've seriously capitalized on his popularity and momentum and done more to use his personality cult status to spread his message and get more media time. However, judging form the campaign's recent 4-part video series of the history of his campaign on his youtube channel, it seems July 2007 was where that history ended. Why did the history of the campaign end there? Perhaps Paul really wasn't interested in becoming president at all because that's when he really started to have a very good chance of making it.
 
If Ron Paul's goal is to bank on McCain screwing up and then to magically jump Romney and Huckabee and you think that is a wise, realistic strategy then we are clearly not on the same page.

The only realistic chance for Ron Paul to become our next president is to run as either a third party or as an independent. Going after the GOP nomination is a huge gamble on something that is very, very, very unlikely to materialize.

A third party run, on the other hand, offers a very real chance to win but it needs to begin now. Racking up more humiliating losses will greatly undermine the effort.

Right now the conditions are nearly perfect for a third party run. The likely Republican nominee is extremely unpopular with the conservative base. The likely Democratic nominee is extremely unpopular with just about everyone.

We all need to contact the campaign immediately and encourage a third party run.

This is not a top down operation. Ron Paul is a public servant. We have put him in the position he is now in with our tireless efforts and grassroots fundraising. We did not work this hard for him to simply retain his congressional seat. If that were the case it would be the most expensive congressional seat in history.

I personally gave him money to make a strong run at becoming our next president. Right now he appears to not be doing what it takes to become the next president. It is our duty to convince him that we will support a third party run if he has it in him.
 
It's Ron's one TRUE and MAJOR downfall (and a very dangerous one) placing personal loyalty over performance and truth. It was true with Lew Rockwell, and it is true with Kent Snyder and Lew Moore & their gang as well.

i was personally disappointed in dr paul's leadership ability. it is one thing to have a great political philosophy, it's another to have integrity and be a very nice person. but the president also has to be able to hire, fire and give orders; he must be able to monitor the way he is perceived and correct at least some (mis)perceptions. i think dr paul is sorely lacking in these departments and, at the bottom, that's why we accomplished so little compared to what we expected.

i remember reading tucker's piece on dr paul (which was quite positive in intention) and being very worried. for example, tucker reported that dr paul was incapable of deciding whether the lights would be off or on, leaving all decisions to the staff, and spending his dinner time watching the price of gold (how does that help advance the cause?).

i am still angry when i think of how dr paul ruined many of his crucial public appearances, coming unprepared to debates (and as a result, repeating the same cliches over and over, until everybody caught up) and major media interviews (on meet the press, he was clueless about how much would actually be saved by pulling the troops out - a strategy that he himself chose as the cornerstone of his candidacy).

and this is coming from a person who agrees with him on almost all issues. so, ultimately, it is not only about the campaign staff and how incompetent they are. even if they were all fired, even if we had ten times the money we actually have, even if we were fired up as we used to be, it is really the candidate that has weaknesses that make him unelectable, by the republicans or anybody else.
 
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Thanks... this really pulled me away from the abyss! i recommend everyone post this on their meet-up's page!!!
The rEVOLution is alive and well!!!!!

Great, but if you do, include this checklist.

In response to requests, here is a quick checklist that should apply everywhere (rules in different states are so different it's hard to give general advice).

  1. identify supporters and turn them out to vote.
  2. identify "supervoters" who usually vote and spread the message to them; if you can't get a list of the actual voter rolls with histories, then look at the election returns--especially for primaries--and see which precincts have the highest turnout of Republicans (rank them by most Republican supervoters to least, hit as many precincts at the top of the list as you can; use the official campaign's Precinct Leader list to supplement your efforts but keep the information on a Google.doc spreadsheet accessible to the others with whom you are working).
  3. identify all of the voting locations (make sure signs are posted at all voting locations in accordance with local ordinance the night before and have people leafleting for Dr. Paul there--dress well and be polite!)--if a caucus, follow leadership in your state on speeches or whatever.
  4. each group needs to act to contact media about events and get their own endorsements for the campaign.
  5. use your efforts to help Dr. Paul AND the other Liberty Candidates out there--make the most of your efforts!
  6. SMILE :) We have so much to be thankful for in finding each other, Ron and Carol sacrificing so much of themselves, for having this opportunity in this great country...
 
noztnac - You are a dangerous fool and a troll. There is no "third-party" anything.

You want people to waste their time contacting the campaign -- rather than contacting voters in their own precincts or organizing to take over their local GOP.

Why don't you STFU.
 
And what's the plan after that? Is that where it ends?

Of course not. I for one am helping with a Congressional race in VA-10 against an entrenched, big-spending, anti-gun Republican incumbent.

The important thing right now is to focus and get back to work.
 
And what's the plan after that? Is that where it ends?

Nope, doesn't end there young grasshoper...

This is about the movement, not just the candidate.

I think what Bradley is trying to say is we need to keep focused on the task at hand first. We need to stick by our candidate in his decisions, and see this through, or what good are we as a movement? What other candidate would want us down the line if we can't stay the course when times get tough? RP is smart...let's back him till this plays out.

This movement is like a child...growing. We need to stop whinning, throwing temper tantrums, and crying. We also need to stop jumping around, settle down, and focus. We need to campaign from now till the convention like we were still garning votes for RP. We need to get the message out. We need to learn to grow into maturity.

We're probably gonna stumble through this a bit the next few weeks, but we need to learn to sharpen our focus, our strategies, etc.

BTW, for all those still speculating on an independent run, since he only mentioned not going 3rd party....while I wouldn't hold your breath, think about it for a minute. If that were to ever happen, it would be best to stay the course, campaign all the way through the convention and try our best to make our voices behind RP heard loud and clear to the Republican party. We would gain nothing by going independent at this junction anyway, as the media would still block him out. If his run stops there, we do not, and the message gets out to many more in the party that this is NOT going away.

However, if McCain becomes a lame-duck by the convention due to massive campaign in the trenches by us (and any turn of event this spring/summer), and general dissatisfaction by many in the party, then who knows...or maybe an "independent Republican" run isn't out of the question. I don't know...anything could happen. Many conservatives are sick of the Republican leadership. I woke out of the fog not so long ago...and I was a hard core party type years ago, but slowly drifting for a while now. There are many more that are just in disbelief right now and upset where this is headed.

Just a very lame analogy...but often it is easier/less costly to keep the foundation of a house (which once was good...very long ago), gut it a bit, and build it back up, then to totally start from scratch (or move to a different foundation). The Republican part hasn't had the proper upkeep for years now. It looks nothing like the original house it was...and while we are at it, we could make the original foundation even better, fill in the cracks, etc, to make it would it could be, not just what it was, we can make it stronger by shoring its base with the Constitution...we can redefine what the house is, and what it looks like to all....if we stay the course.

Bottom line is it wouldn't be in our best interests to do anything now but stay the course till the convention. We just need to sharpen our focus, hunker down, and keep in the overall war. The opponents may take a breather from now till the convention thinking it a lock....grassroots during this time for the message is key. The more people we reach in the mean time, the more pressure on conservative leaders, talk radio, etc. We should in a way be excited. Many can't stand what is going on, and we do have time...time is on our side if we use it wisely. I don't see any of the others going to have the same effectiveness between now and then, because their messages aren't truly different. They all spout change but they aren't.

Real ID's ugly head rearing this spring will help us. RP is the only candidate that spoke out to repeal it. He is the only one that disagrees not just due to funding, but on civil liberties. There are several groups against it, and I'm gonna see if we can't coordinate better across all levels.

Personally, while you need to tailor the message to your audience. I think two things to become well versed on are the economy and Real ID. Both will be playing out in coming months. 2nd amendment right isn't a bad one either. Many in the military have just realized the legislation lately is aimed to try to take away gun rights to those who know how to use them, while they are away defending our country. Many of us in the military are not happy about that, and even some that didn't really care if they were gun owners in the past, are exercising the right to own and purchase now for the first time in a quiet form of peaceful protest....as a way to support the gun shops and others standing up for the 2nd amendment...to show people do still care and purchase guns, and we don't want that right to go away.

Bottom line, we all need to shake off the past week, and get back to work. There are many more to reach.
 
This is about the movement, not just the candidate.
If that is so, does that mean that Ron Paul isn't afraid of having supporters who "muddy the waters" anymore? Is he going to say he needs monetary support from those who he once said he didn't need it from?
Bottom line, we all need to shake off the past week, and get back to work.
I'm not shaking off what Paul said on PBS in December, when he said he didn't need money and support from certain people who already gave him lots of money and support.
 
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i was personally disappointed in dr paul's leadership ability. it is one thing to have a great political philosophy, it's another to have integrity and be a very nice person. but the president also has to be able to hire, fire and give orders; he must be able to monitor the way he is perceived and correct at least some (mis)perceptions. i think dr paul is sorely lacking in these departments and, at the bottom, that's why we accomplished so little compared to what we expected.

i remember reading tucker's piece on dr paul (which was quite positive in intention) and being very worried. for example, tucker reported that dr paul was incapable of deciding whether the lights would be off or on, leaving all decisions to the staff, and spending his dinner time watching the price of gold (how does that help advance the cause?).

i am still angry when i think of how dr paul ruined many of his crucial public appearances, coming unprepared to debates (and as a result, repeating the same cliches over and over, until everybody caught up) and major media interviews (on meet the press, he was clueless about how much would actually be saved by pooling the troops out - a strategy that he himself chose as the cornerstone of his candidacy).

and this is coming from a person who agrees with him on almost all issues. so, ultimately, it is not only about the campaign staff and how incompetent they are. even if they were all fired, even if we had ten times the money we actually have, even if we were fired up as we used to be, it is really the candidate that has weaknesses that make him unelectable, by the republicans or anybody else.

Yes, to me one of the GREATEST disappointments was the loss of my (admittedly forlorn) hope that Mark Sanford (SC Gov) would in the week before the SC Primary endorse Ron Paul.

Then he would have been an excellent (and loyal) choice for a VP -- bringing MUCH needed managerial and executive experience with him -- and if the team won, a shoe in for the following term (because Ron would do 1 term and then hand over the reigns).

Plus, his endorsement MIGHT have had a significant impact on the SC Primary (I understand he IS fairly popular there, and is known for doing things "dramatically" and "differently" -- gotta love the man for the thing with the live pigs in the legislature!). I think this WAS planned, but he balked when Ron's numbers didn't happen in NH and SC. (Even a 2nd or 3rd in NH and he might have bought in!)

And it is SAD that the man didn't "guts" it anyway... if nothing else, it would have ENDEARED the man to everyone in the Ron Paul Movement... and 4 years from now we would have had our man! (Younger, more charismatic, more professional, but still VERY Ron Paul philosophy based in word AND deed... PLUS being a former Governor, he would come as a "Washington outsider" and with executive experience to boot! A WIN on all counts.)

But unfortunately, he decided to play "political poker" career wise -- and bet on the wrong sides (he was reportedly being courted by both Giuliani and Romney... and look where THAT got him... exactly nowhere). So he'd have a difficult time begin "our man" now, since when he needed to stand up and "be counted" he failed of the courage. Foolish man, big miscalculation.
 
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Why is this made a STICKY from a disgruntled ex Ron Paul campaign worker? This guy does not speak for me! Please report this to the moderators...
 
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Why is this made a STICKY from a disgruntled ex Ron Paul campaign worker? This guy does not speak for me! Please report this to the moderators...

Luke, I'm neither disgruntled nor a former campaign worker and never claimed to speak for you... but you can report any post or thread by clicking on the red triangle in the upper right.
 
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