Texas Town Enforces ‘ZERO Tolerance’ Policy on Grass Length Requirements

[angelatc]

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Again, why are you on a liberty forum? .

I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I joined to try to stop the federal government from overstepping it's constitutional powers. I have always been supportive of states rights and by extension, the rights of local governments.

That's the same thing Ron Paul believes, so perhaps you should ask yourself why you're here.

 

[angelatc]

I don't want the mice at my place either. I say keep em in the city.

Mice need a FOOD SUPPLY. Abandoned lots don't have a food supply. People's kitchens and garbage do. They didn't show up to live in the grass. They came to get something to eat. As far as cover. There is plenty of cover on anyone's property, tall grass or not.

A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What's the difference between telling someone that is in a shitty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?

 

[angelatc]

What's the difference between telling someone that is in a shitty job situation to "just find another job", or someone who has to fly as a requirement of their job to "just not fly" and telling someone who doesn't like their neighbor's high grass to "just find another place to live"?

The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.

 

[otherone]

Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

Different species.

 

[jbauer]

Lady, I grew up on a dairy farm. My family and I live on a farm. I know exactly what causes and doesn't cause mice. Weeds don't cause mice. Now if your neighbor is growing a crop on his lot then asking him/her to mow it is quite socialist in nature isn't it?

There's nothing constitutional about grass height. My guess is Dr. Paul would say it falls under personal property rights.

The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?

A food supply. You mean, like CROPS?

I have lived in the city and I have lived in the country. We had more mice try to move in to the homes we had in the country than we ever did in the city. (We also had cats, so they never lasted long.)

Part of that is likely because the habitat in the country is more conducive to breeding mice and rats. Where as in the city, people cut their damned grass.

 

[jbauer]

What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

 

[angelatc]

There's nothing constitutional about grass height.

Which is why the conversation doesn't actually fucking belong in Ron Paul forums, isn't it?

The central question should be this: Does a local government or even just a majority have the right to tell you what MUST DO or MUST NOT DO with the threat of force through thugs with guns and cages on your own property?

If so where is the line? Grass height? Flower arrangement? Pets? Skin color? Bedroom topics? Gun ownership? Where's the line? How much tyranny is acceptable to you?

Gun ownership is a constitutional issue. I guess you forgot that?


As for the rest of it, I can't make it much clearer. I believe that local governments have the right to dictate community standards. As do HOA's.

I would say I'm sorry that upsets you, but I actually don't give a rat's ass.

 

[angelatc]

What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the fucking mind.


(But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

*ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.

 

[Philhelm]

What if I could buy enough politicians off so they passed laws that said:

All residents must now support the furher at all times without question. Jews shall be labeled as undesirables and "dealt with". Books shall be burned. Unjust treaties shall be broken? Any of that ok?

The law is the law.

 

[coastie]

I have a lot of customers here in the northeast that, while their lawns are immaculate, fail to regularly drain children's toys, buckets, or any outside vessels of standing water, leading to mosquito spikes. We have had heavy rainfall here, it's tough to keep up with, perhaps town councils can create laws and hire cops to police standing water and shoot dogs that intervene.

Yep. I live in Florida. It's been raining the last 4 days nearly non-stop in my area. I literally just walked back inside doing exactly what you just described.

Now, I know where the mosquitoes come from in my immediate area - and that's the neighbor on the rear of my property. Theirs is the oldest house in the 'hood, and with that, sits WAY lower than the houses surrounding his.

And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).

Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).

I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.

And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...

 

[jbauer]

The law is the law.

Damn straight!! Thank goodness for laws. I'm not sure how any of us could be decent to each other without them!!! Especially in the lawn care arena.

 

[jbauer]

The issue at hand in the use of gobernment mobsters to force private property to do or not do something or face additional taxation or cage time.

I'm all on board with your caveat, although it didn't exist prior till now. If the rules existed prior to home purchase I'm good with it. However that's not this case. This is about a town passing new laws on existing homeowners.

As for the book burnings. I live at the end of a dead end with one access point. I can't see my neighbors and I like that. That way some prissy can't tell me how long my lawn should be although I mow it regularly.

How about addressing the actual issue at hand instead of just making something else up entirely? Or actually, don't. But this post right here? This is just so far beyond stupid it boggles the fucking mind.


(But amusingly enough - you're the one here crying that the "cut your lawn if you want to live here" treaty is somehow mercilessly unjust and the people breaking it shouldn't pay any penalty.)

*ETA: I would point out that I have made the caveat that the rules should not be changed after the home is purchased. If you buy a house that comes with no law about grass height, then any future law about grass height should not apply to that property until the property again changes hands.

After that, if you're dumb enough to buy a house in a neighborhood that demands you burn your books, then I'm assuming you probably don't read much anyway.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Don't like it? Live somewhere else.

There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property

 

[Anti Federalist]

The difference is that the people who bought both houses bought them with the knowledge that the community standards would be both expected and enforced.

If you do not want to cut your grass, but the local law says you must, then you need to either cut your grass or sell your house.

How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?

 

[angelatc]

And with that, there's ALWAYS a swamp at least 6 inches deep -even when it hasn't rained - that my privacy fence sits in.

Thank god angelatc doesn't live here, as she'd just tell them they need to move. Or raise their house. Or put dirt down to raise the property level(which would then flood his house).
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Uh, My property has a swampish bit on it too. The south end of it sits on a river, and when it rains that end of the yard is the lowest point, so when the river rises, my property gets it first.

Luckily for them, I live here. His wife is a brain AND breast cancer survivor. He's had 4 heart attacks and a stroke in the last 5 years. They both work low-paying jobs, because well - that's what's around here. I work 60+ hours a week, and still find the time to cut their grass, and then I toss a couple of "Mosquito Dunks" into the swamp to control them(seeing as how our beloved govt can't seem to ever get the mosquito control truck out to my hood).

Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.

]I'm sure they can afford a $500 fine, or maybe a week delay or so in pay since you can't work from jail, all because people like angela don't like how it looks. And that is your actual issue here, and you know it.

I know exactly what it looks like, but I still manage to carry my end and more. How fucking dare you imply that my life must be some cushy reality because I don't think that asking people to keep their grass cut is too much to ask.

And as far as you questioning why others are here (because of Ron Paul)....I'm positive he would go offer to help his neighbors remedy the situation, and that he would NEVER call guys with guns to extract a ransom from them to appease himself and then sit back and go "nanner nanner nanner, I showed you!".

I'll bet you've called "authorities" more than once in your life...

You'd be wrong about that, too. Imagine that.

 

[angelatc]

How is a law dictating your grass length any different than a law dictating who you can hire or fire?

Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

The anti-GMO legislation in Oregon comes to mind. The localities have the right to dictate that the farmers only grow approved crops, but that certainly doesn't meant they shoudl.

 

[angelatc]

There is nowhere else, unless you live in the middle of a f***ing forest and even then you might get kicked out for being on "government" property

There are lots of places that don't have laws about how long your grass can be, [mod edit]

 

[coastie]

Thats nice. My husband had a stroke 3 years and it left him in chronic pain. As a result, I get to do everything around here. I cook I clean I cut the grass, I clean the gutters, I change the oil in the car, I feed the critters.....and I'm looking for a job.

Note that I managed to indeed keep the gutters clear and the lawn cut.

The couple I mentioned BOTH have these health issues, there sparky. Neither one can do any of these things, something I made clear in the post you quoted. I didn't ask, nor do I give two shits, about what you do around your house. Like any of that shit is hard to do, lol.

eta: Something tells me you probably blame your husband in some way for all the work you have to do now....

 

[Anti Federalist]

Did the law exist when the business was started? I have no problems with local governments setting rules for employers, either. My beef is either with the federal government, or the fact that they shoudn't pass such laws.

Which is different than saying they don't have the right to.

So if a local or state government wanted to pass a law prohibiting employers from random urine testing of employees, that would be OK?

I'm not sure I want anybody passing laws like that at any level, and would much rather have people come to a voluntary consensus, but sometimes I guess it is the only thing that works.