Texas GOP argue over proposed therapy to turn gays straight

[COpatriot]

They love to dig their own grave. This is the bullshit that will seal the GOP's fate in irrelevance. Not only is this "therapy" proven to be a pseudo-scientific snake oil racket, it is dangerous for the people that are subjected to it.

 

[RonPaulMall]

They love to dig their own grave. This is the bullshit that will seal the GOP's fate in irrelevance. Not only is this "therapy" proven to be a pseudo-scientific snake oil racket, it is dangerous for the people that are subjected to it.

And even if it weren't, since when is it the role of government to give psychiatric advice?

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

The reason it was put in the platform was because such therapy is being banned innseveral states.

 

[KurtBoyer25L]

It's idiotic & insane but, I actually think gayness reform groups are closer to being logical in some respects compared to mainstream society.

The common dogma is that sexuality involves no choice but is simply "wired" into otherwise helpless people. Absolutely sexuality involves choice, it's just a reflection of choices made by oneself & those around you over a very long period of time beginning in childhood, but that doesn't mean you can't affect or mold it through personal growth.

One of the good points Ayn Rand quietly made (she mostly yelled her bad ones) is that if we took common bromides and put them in plainer language we'd all look like vicious idiots. I can't imagine telling my girlfriend, "I'm attracted to women like you because I'm wired that way, I really don't have a choice."

 

[Carlybee]

The reason it was put in the platform was because such therapy is being banned innseveral states.

Why don't they just put brainwashing in the platform too. I'm sure there's some kind of therapy for most any perceived affliction.

 

[Origanalist]

Why don't they just put brainwashing in the platform too. I'm sure there's some kind of therapy for most any perceived affliction.

Wait, so you are for banning it?

 

[Origanalist]

They love to dig their own grave. This is the bullshit that will seal the GOP's fate in irrelevance. Not only is this "therapy" proven to be a pseudo-scientific snake oil racket, it is dangerous for the people that are subjected to it.

How are they subjected to it if it is voluntary?

 

[Carlybee]

It's idiotic & insane but, I actually think gayness reform groups are closer to being logical in some respects compared to mainstream society.

The common dogma is that sexuality involves no choice but is simply "wired" into otherwise helpless people. Absolutely sexuality involves choice, it's just a reflection of choices made by oneself & those around you over a very long period of time beginning in childhood, but that doesn't mean you can't affect or mold it through personal growth.

One of the good points Ayn Rand quietly made (she mostly yelled her bad ones) is that if we took common bromides and put them in plainer language we'd all look like vicious idiots. I can't imagine telling my girlfriend, "I'm attracted to women like you because I'm wired that way, I really don't have a choice."

It doesn't matter if it involves choice. We aren't the sexuality police.

 

[COpatriot]

How are they subjected to it if it is voluntary?

If it's voluntary then they're subjecting themselves to it probably because they are unaware of the harm it causes. But in some cases parents subject their children to it which IMO equates to child abuse.

 

[Carlybee]

How are they subjected to it if it is voluntary?

It's about why is it in the platform? Whether it's voluntary or involuntary, putting it in implies an agenda.
You can't promote small government with less intervention and then put your own interventionist items in a platform. Putting it in a political platform implies a political and possible legislative agenda.

 

[Origanalist]

It's about why is it in the platform? Whether it's voluntary or involuntary, putting it in implies an agenda.

Fair enough. It seems a strange thing to get involved in. However banning it seems to me more big government than keeping it from being banned if the same principle was applied across the board, which it is not.

 

[Origanalist]

If it's voluntary then they're subjecting themselves to it probably because they are unaware of the harm it causes. But in some cases parents subject their children to it which IMO equates to child abuse.

You are advocating for the nanny state.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Hey- the found a new use for the old "Scared Straight" slogan!

 

[otherone]

It's about why is it in the platform? Whether it's voluntary or involuntary, putting it in implies an agenda.
You can't promote small government with less intervention and then put your own interventionist items in a platform. Putting it in a political platform implies a political and possible legislative agenda.

YUP.
Anytime a politician talks about correcting "society", I reach for my revolver...

 

[RonPaulMall]

The reason it was put in the platform was because such therapy is being banned innseveral states.

So if California bans tattoos that means the Texas GOP needs to put something in their platform about encouraging people to get tattoos? If Texas really feels the need to react to what some other state does, why not simply affirm the right of people to seek whatever sort of mental health treatment for themselves that they see fit to seek? Nice pro-freedom stance and nobody is offended. Instead the pick out this one particular treatment to lavish praise on and in the process piss off gays and more importantly, the vast number of people that don't want to be associated with a party that presents itself as being hostile towards gay people.

Texas is already Republican and nobody in Texas is going to be more likely to vote Republican because this idiotic plank was added to the platform. But this sort of nonsense is precisely the thing Democrats use to tar the Republican Party as the party of bigots among Northern and Western white voters the GOP needs to bring back to the fold if they are ever going to win a Presidential election ever again.

 

[Carlybee]

Texas Republicans already riled up pro choice independent voters with the strict abortion laws. Texas gets bluer by the day. How many independents and libertarians are they willing to lose over this silly therapy thing too?

 

[TonySutton]

If the GOP was really concerned about families they would fight to end divorce. Divorce does more damage to families than gays.

I would like to add, most of the concerns with reparative therapy that I have seen do not regard voluntary therapy. It concerns children who are being forced into this therapy by their parents. The parents are being told this therapy is good, when in reality it has been proven otherwise. Unfortunately parents get scared when they discover their little boy or girl is showing interest in the same-sex and they will look anywhere for a solution.

 

[MelissaWV]

Next up: making my brown eyes blue.

 

[Carlybee]

Btw apparently it was approved so it will be in the platform.

 

[Zippyjuan]

If the GOP was really concerned about families they would fight to end divorce. Divorce does more damage to families than gays.

I would like to add, most of the concerns with reparative therapy that I have seen do not regard voluntary therapy. It concerns children who are being forced into this therapy by their parents. The parents are being told this therapy is good, when in reality it has been proven otherwise. Unfortunately parents get scared when they discover their little boy or girl is showing interest in the same-sex and they will look anywhere for a solution.

Is divorce another part of our lives the government should become involved in?