Peace Piper
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If you haven't heard about this it's because hardly anyone wants to talk about it.
If Tesla doesn't get a handle on it- and fast- it may bankrupt the company.
Edmunds.com: 2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test
(Edmunds is on their 4th drive unit)
...Next, I took a ride with the technician so I could point out the strange noise. I was worried that the car would have stage fright and not make the noise, but my concern was unwarranted. We only drove for a block and a half before the technician recognized the sound. "This noise is known internally as the 'milling sound,'" the technician said.
"What's the common fix for this?" I asked.
It'll probably need a new drive unit, he told me...
... I would HIGHLY recommend that you buy the extended service plan for $4,000.
Here's why: Tesla does not have a powertrain warranty like ever other carmaker. The drive units are covered under the new-car limited warranty of four years or 50,000 miles. Only Tesla knows what these drive units cost on a retail level, or the hours of labor you'd need to pay for a repair out of your own pocket....
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...-tesla-model-s-drive-unit-iv-the-milling.html
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Must Read: Excellent article
Milling Through the Mire – Tesla Model S Drive Unit Woes.
By Jack Rickard On July 15, 2014
(Jack Rickard writes about a Tesla owner on his 3rd drive unit and 2nd battery pack- that's $45k+20k +20k-$85,000 in 40,000 miles - equal to the purchase price)
...The one bright spot in the firmament has been Elon Musk and Tesla Motors. We’ve profited personally and handsomely on just daytrading the stock of Tesla – sufficiently so to finance a P85 model sufficiently loaded to total $107,000 ducats. Many of our viewers have done likewise, and indeed some have also bought a Model S. We are unabashadly Tesla Fanboyz. But we do keep our eyes wide open and take our duties regarding keeping our viewers informed quite at the top of the priority heap. And the rule is if you have a problem sufficiently serious that it gets its own name, you indeed have a problem. In this case, it is the Milling Noise problem.
And not everything always goes 100% smoothly
...The drive train is slightly more ominous. Tesloids already have a name for it, the MILLING NOISE. We admitted we only had 4800 miles on our Model S and Joe assured us – you will have to replace your drive unit at 8000 or 10000 miles.
There are also reports of a “klunk” sound when going from acceleration to regeneration and back. But the majority of failures involve a grinding or “milling” noise that increases over time...
...Worse, I don’t think there is really very much “wrong” with their drive train. If it’s the gearbox, about the only game left that can deal in that technology and those numbers is Getrag. And they do NOTHING quickly. My fear is they have run into a wall of hubris that cannot be re-engineered...
I’m pulling for them. But I think this particular issue is very very grave...
...more
http://evtv.me/2014/07/milling-mire/
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Tesla Owners pipe in:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/33593-Drivetrian-Durability-or-Lack-Thereof
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/29834-Drive-Unit-Replacement-Poll
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13557-Anyone-else-had-to-replace-the-whole-drivetrain
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/32608-Drive-Unit-Problem-Fixes
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Elon Musk is a foul mouthed 2 bit con artist who scams tax credit money from the poor and middle class to subsidize $90,000 cars for rich people. His battery swapping hoax earned millions for his battery car company, money they'll have to use to fix defective drive trains. He bashed "fool cells" a bit prematurely (because he doesn't know the first thing about what he is talking about), and it will be fun to see what happens next. Meanwhile, people might think twice before laying down subsidized dollars for a Tesla that, at the very best, will need a new $20,000 battery every 7 or 8 years.
If Tesla doesn't get a handle on it- and fast- it may bankrupt the company.
Edmunds.com: 2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test
(Edmunds is on their 4th drive unit)
...Next, I took a ride with the technician so I could point out the strange noise. I was worried that the car would have stage fright and not make the noise, but my concern was unwarranted. We only drove for a block and a half before the technician recognized the sound. "This noise is known internally as the 'milling sound,'" the technician said.
"What's the common fix for this?" I asked.
It'll probably need a new drive unit, he told me...
... I would HIGHLY recommend that you buy the extended service plan for $4,000.
Here's why: Tesla does not have a powertrain warranty like ever other carmaker. The drive units are covered under the new-car limited warranty of four years or 50,000 miles. Only Tesla knows what these drive units cost on a retail level, or the hours of labor you'd need to pay for a repair out of your own pocket....
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...-tesla-model-s-drive-unit-iv-the-milling.html
*******
Must Read: Excellent article
Milling Through the Mire – Tesla Model S Drive Unit Woes.
By Jack Rickard On July 15, 2014
(Jack Rickard writes about a Tesla owner on his 3rd drive unit and 2nd battery pack- that's $45k+20k +20k-$85,000 in 40,000 miles - equal to the purchase price)
...The one bright spot in the firmament has been Elon Musk and Tesla Motors. We’ve profited personally and handsomely on just daytrading the stock of Tesla – sufficiently so to finance a P85 model sufficiently loaded to total $107,000 ducats. Many of our viewers have done likewise, and indeed some have also bought a Model S. We are unabashadly Tesla Fanboyz. But we do keep our eyes wide open and take our duties regarding keeping our viewers informed quite at the top of the priority heap. And the rule is if you have a problem sufficiently serious that it gets its own name, you indeed have a problem. In this case, it is the Milling Noise problem.
And not everything always goes 100% smoothly
...The drive train is slightly more ominous. Tesloids already have a name for it, the MILLING NOISE. We admitted we only had 4800 miles on our Model S and Joe assured us – you will have to replace your drive unit at 8000 or 10000 miles.
There are also reports of a “klunk” sound when going from acceleration to regeneration and back. But the majority of failures involve a grinding or “milling” noise that increases over time...
...Worse, I don’t think there is really very much “wrong” with their drive train. If it’s the gearbox, about the only game left that can deal in that technology and those numbers is Getrag. And they do NOTHING quickly. My fear is they have run into a wall of hubris that cannot be re-engineered...
I’m pulling for them. But I think this particular issue is very very grave...
...more
http://evtv.me/2014/07/milling-mire/
*******
Tesla Owners pipe in:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/33593-Drivetrian-Durability-or-Lack-Thereof
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/29834-Drive-Unit-Replacement-Poll
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13557-Anyone-else-had-to-replace-the-whole-drivetrain
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/32608-Drive-Unit-Problem-Fixes
*******
Elon Musk is a foul mouthed 2 bit con artist who scams tax credit money from the poor and middle class to subsidize $90,000 cars for rich people. His battery swapping hoax earned millions for his battery car company, money they'll have to use to fix defective drive trains. He bashed "fool cells" a bit prematurely (because he doesn't know the first thing about what he is talking about), and it will be fun to see what happens next. Meanwhile, people might think twice before laying down subsidized dollars for a Tesla that, at the very best, will need a new $20,000 battery every 7 or 8 years.
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