Terbolizard was arrested for DUI this weekend??

[Pauliana]

Just to propose an entirely ridiculous, radical side of the argument..

If I drive while drunk, then maybe you deserve any injuries you receive. When you got in your car you knew, based on statistics, the risks involved. You opted to drive regardless of the possibility that I may be out there, swerving through lanes of traffic while intoxicated.

It's like jumping into a shark tank. You knew the risks of losing a limb or possibly dying. That's your problem. Don't euthanize the sharks, they're just behaving instinctually. Stay out of their tank.

Stay off the road.

This is absolutely correct. Much safer to just stay off the roads, in my house... doing what? Collecting welfare? Hrm... I have now seen the rationality of that lifestyle.

 

[Wyurm]

There is a difference between a DUI and the rest of your arguments...he went out and picked up the beer/alcohol and drank it...if you are driving and have an asthma attack, more than likely you weren't trying to get one. Also, I'm a diabetic and I take my driving very seriously, because I know I'm responsible for my life and others while driving. Before I drive, I make sure to check my bloodsugar to make sure I SHOULD be driving...I wouldn't vote for this guy because it shows how he doesn't think. If he can make this kind of decision after a few drinks, imagine what the lobbyists will do with him in DC.

I realize there is a difference. I wasn't using it as a general argument. It was specifically aimed at the poster I quoted because of statements he made, not ment to be a cover-all argument.

As for not voting for that guy, that's your choice, see my above comment about the bodyguard illustration.

 

[pinkmandy]

This is a retarded comparison. Completely retarded.

I can have all the information available to me about what doctors I choose to see and whether they are licenses or not. That is a choice.

I do not have that choice when driving down the street. In fact, I have no idea whether or not the thousands of cars I pass on the road are licensed or not, yet they all pose a serious danger to my safety. I don't get the luxury of stopping every car that comes within 100 feet of me on a road and making sure they are not under the influence and have passed their driver's license exam to show that they are capable of operating their vehicle safely.

I willingly submit that power to the state and local law enforcement officers. If there were no laws regulating driving, I wouldn't drive. In fact, I pretty much quit driving altogether and only do so in absolute necessity because I think the roads are too dangerous and the police where I live are totally incompetent at doing their jobs to keep crazy drivers out of my way. So, I choose not to drive. I walk a lot and take public transportation.

You submit. Bingo. McCain man? Or are you here stirring up crap because your man Julie Anne dropped out? It's way too easy to draw you guys out, you just can't resist a good old "the state is all knowing and powerful" argument. Doesn't matter to you or your ilk if someone had a case of beer or one beer. SUBMIT!

 

[MrZach]

Just to propose an entirely ridiculous, radical side of the argument..

If I drive while drunk, then maybe you deserve any injuries you receive. When you got in your car you knew, based on statistics, the risks involved. You opted to drive regardless of the possibility that I may be out there, swerving through lanes of traffic while intoxicated.

It's like jumping into a shark tank. You knew the risks of losing a limb or possibly dying. That's your problem. Don't euthanize the sharks, they're just behaving instinctually. Stay out of their tank.

Stay off the road.

Actually, I do - because of idiots like you.

So I guess you can't argue that one with me, can you? =o)

My uncle who is slightly mentally retarded stole my grandparent's car when he was 15 and made it about 2 blocks before he freaked out, lost control of the vehicle and drove it into a building, hitting 2 people on a sidewalk, and people INSIDE the building. Two of those injured were in prolonged comatose states.

So... I guess, even if I stay off the road, I'm never really safe from the likes of you, am I?

 

[BarryDonegan]

George W. Bush had a DUI.

Just putting that out there.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

Actually, I do - because of idiots like you.

So I guess you can't argue that one with me, can you? =o)

My uncle who is slightly mentally retarded stole my grandparent's car when he was 15 and made it about 2 blocks before he freaked out, lost control of the vehicle and drove it into a building, hitting 2 people on a sidewalk, and people INSIDE the building. Two of those injured were in prolonged comatose states.

So... I guess, even if I stay off the road, I'm never really safe from the likes of you, am I?

Idiots like me? I'm neutral on this argument for the most part - there's grey area (as I stated before). On the one hand, innocent people shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' bad judgment, but at the same time it's ridiculous for people to be sitting in prison for drinking and driving because they MIGHT have hurt someone.

As far as the message you replied to, it was completely a joke. Shark tanks? Come on..

And for the record, I do not drink.

 

[familydog]

I hope you're not talking about me, because I haven't called anyone uptight or too judgmental. I'm totally fine with it, lol... I do think that this argument is pretty stupid though and that those who are jerking themselves off to the tune of "unlimited unmitigated liberty for all" have never actually read any legitimate political science history on the subject that shows that there is not such thing and there is always a balance between the two - and our nation, our Founding Fathers, and our Constitution was never meant to me a free pass to do whatever the hell anyone wanted "as long as it didn't infringe on another's rights" - and if they think that they really should do some more reading, lol...

No, I wasn't talking about you.

I used to be against PA's low tolerance for alcohol and driving, but I've spent time as a volunteer fireman which affected my opinion. I couldn't cut it there. After being called to the scene of numerous accidents and seeing mangled bodies because someone thought they'd be ok to drive just after a few drinks, I've changed my opinion and will join those that would not vote for someone who commits DUI.

 

[MrZach]

You submit. Bingo. McCain man? Or are you here stirring up crap because your man Julie Anne dropped out? It's way too easy to draw you guys out, you just can't resist a good old "the state is all knowing and powerful" argument. Doesn't matter to you or your ilk if someone had a case of beer or one beer. SUBMIT!

Yes, its called voluntarily entering into a contractual agreement. Grow up.

As for the accusations of my "loyalty" to the campaign, lol you can put that to rest right now. I quit my job in mid November so I could volunteer for the campaign full-time. I spent my Christmas break canvasing in Iowa and then South Carolina after the Iowa Caucuses. I canvassed 4 precincts in IL by myself with door-to-door making sure to talk to EVERYONE (which means numerous go-arounds), and then made a second round to drop custom designed literature and personally paid for slim jims on all the issues that each person said was important to. I am the owner/operator of KnowBeforeYouVote.com.

Yeah, I'm *totally* a McCain spy. Just because I don't agree with every last nuance of your ideology I *must* be the enemy. Brilliant logic, dumbass...

 

[MrZach]

No, I wasn't talking about you.

I used to be against PA's low tolerance for alcohol and driving, but I've spent time as a volunteer fireman which affected my opinion. I couldn't cut it there. After being called to the scene of numerous accidents and seeing mangled bodies because someone thought they'd be ok to drive just after a few drinks, I've changed my opinion and will join those that would not vote for someone who commits DUI.

First hand experience changes everything... I've seen WAY too much - and from people who had just 2 beers making a reaction too late or being distracted winding up killing someone.

It is these guys who haven't seen jack squat or been through it who are "safe" to argue these Utopian, totally non-realistic ideals. Sadly, the way things are going, they're all going to get a dose of reality before too long, and then they'll be singing a different tune.

 

[nosebruise]

cellphones?

 

[familydog]

cellphones?

My headset works just fine.

 

[MrZach]

Idiots like me? I'm neutral on this argument for the most part - there's grey area (as I stated before). On the one hand, innocent people shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' bad judgment, but at the same time it's ridiculous for people to be sitting in prison for drinking and driving because they MIGHT have hurt someone.

As far as the message you replied to, it was completely a joke. Shark tanks? Come on..

And for the record, I do not drink.

You keep saying people are in prison because they MIGHT have hurt someone. They weren't charged with possibly hurting anyone, can't you see that? They are charged with violating the terms under which they are allowed to operate a dangerous piece of machinery on roadways financed by the public - and those laws are also.

You are perfectly free to operate your vehicle in the privacy of your own private property. It is when you take it onto a public road that you are now willfully submitting yourself to the regulations that have been enacted by the same people, the taxpayers, have agreed upon for being the regulations for those roadways.

 

[webber53]

Hey Mods,
How does this thread have anything to do with getting
our candidate (Dr. Ron Paul) elected or promote his ideas????

Why hasn't this thread been moved already?

 

[slantedview]

Here's my bottom line:

If the election is between two pro-freedom/free-market/libertarian candidates, one of them having a DUI, I'd vote for the one without a DUI. Unfortunately that's not the situation we have.

If, as is the case, my vote is between a status quo warmonger/socialist/fascist/collective/whatever and a pro-freedom/free market/libertarian with a DUI, I'd choose freedom any day of the week.

How much does that DUI matter when you have no freedom?

 

[nosebruise]

My headset works just fine.

i'm sure it does, and i'm sure you dont drink yourself into a stupor and drive either...


yet...
putting on makeup.
eating...

 

[MrZach]

Look, as long as roads are financed by the state, county, or municipality you live in - the people who financed those roads - the taxpayers - have the right to set regulations and rules on people for using those roads through the organization that financed them.

You simply cannot argue with that. You have a right to operate your vehicle, fine. But you don't own the roads - the state, county, and city who paid for them does. Yes, the money comes from the taxpayers - that is why the TAXPAYERS are allowed to vote and elect representatives to make rules for those roads. As long as you're operating your private property on a PUBLIC roadway, YOU ALL are voluntarily submitting to the regulations set by the people who put the road there. End of argument.

If YOU have a problem with the laws governing the usage of public roads - then YOU'RE the one who needs to stay off the road until you raise enough $$ to finance building your own private road.

 

[Liberty_is_NORML]

That's total BS and you know it. People don't drink and drive because they think the penalty isn't stiff enough if they have an accident or injure or kill someone so it is an "acceptable risk." They drink and drive because they are idiots who exercise poor judgment.

It has been shown numerous times that the stiffer the drinking and driving laws get, there is a very correlated reduction in alcohol related MV accidents.

No shit? It has also been shown that thieves that get their hands cut off have a hard time picking their noses.

You, sir, need to move to communist China.

Your arguement is black and white and that is not how a smart person approaches conflict.

Having a beer or two and then driving doesn't necessarily make you a danger. As a matter of fact (since you are the expert) why don't you tell us what the average BAC is for drivers that are arrested for DUI when it involves injury, death, or property destruction? I'll give you a clue...it is NOWHERE near .08. Look it up and show the class what you have learned. If you don't, I will...I'm giving you a chance to not look stupid.

Get past that and I will take you off IGNORE.

Some people sure hate freedom in these forums.

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POOR JUDGEMENT CAN'T VOTE FOR RON PAUL BECAUSE HE USED POOR JUDGEMENT ALLOWING THE NEWSLETTERS TO BE PRINTED UNDER HIS NAME

and I know you are gonna say NOBODY's LIFE WAS AT STAKE



Ummmmm YES

OUR COUNTRIES LIFE IS AT STAKE

 

[Dave Wood]

Here is a video interview with Ted on local news.......apparently this is true.

Click on video in the upper right corner.

http://cbs13.com/local/candidate.terbolizard.dui.2.651050.html

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

By the way Mr ZACH you just said the roads are not our property they belong to the state where the taxpayers paid for them


Last time I checked I wasn't being charged for tax evasion so if my logic serves me correctly I own the roads in my state or at least a portion of the roads in my state