Teen shot over vandalizing McCain sign

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Individual liberty is far more than just property rights. It includes the rights to life and liberty, as well...and when you violate someone's rights, you only sacrifice your own in proportion.

I never read about that "in proportion" part lol.

 

[Mini-Me]

I never read about that "in proportion" part lol.

...so?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

...so?

Now you know how it was better before women were allowed to vote.

 

[Mini-Me]

Now you know how it was better before women were allowed to vote.

Yes, because real men kill people over minor offenses and know not the meaning of restraint.
As support for your position, you may be able to point to LaVeyan Satanism and the "one law" implication of its 11th Commandment, "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them." However, they're not exactly the be all and end all of rights-based philosophy. Any coherent description of rights and obligations to uphold them will not demand "death" as payment for all violations, because not all crimes are equal.

 

[DAFTEK]

Joe is of his meds again....

 

[phixion]

How else was he supposed to stop them coming back on his property and enforce his rights?

They had a huge lack of respect for his rights.

He doesn't know if they're packing pistols themselves. They're young black males who are mostly all heavily influenced by violent aggressive culture and they're running out of an SUV in to your garden screaming this is for Obama.

What do you do?

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE, NOR DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR LIFE MAY BE IN DANGER.

They have no right to be there and there's the very real possibility of them coming to hurt you and further damage your property or yourself.

You have no way of knowing what their full intentions are.

And it's entirely up to the guy who owns the property.

It's FINE if he shoots them.
It's FINE if he fires warning shots.

It's completely and utterly up to him what he does.

He didn't create the situation.

They did.

Pete

 

[Paulitician]

Well, shooting them or shooting at them is rather extreme, but I want to know by what right do these fuckers have to go on his property and deface his possessions?

 

[mport1]

It is pretty absurd how violent things are getting between the supporters of McCain and Obama. They fail to realize that the two are practically the same candidate.

 

[DAFTEK]

It is pretty absurd how violent things are getting between the supporters of McCain and Obama. They fail to realize that the two are practically the same candidate.

Yup I predict riots regardless who wins. Reasons for Marshall Law?

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Well, shooting them or shooting at them is rather extreme, but I want to know by what right do these fuckers have to go on his property and deface his possessions?

exactly and until we are put in that situation would we know what we would actually do. In the same breath, if I felt as though something BESIDES a sign getting messed with was going to happen, I too would be ready to fight or defend myself based on someone just stopping at my pad and telling me anything along the lines of "this is for ......". To me that does not sound like the start of anything good.

There was a reason why people don't steal other peoples horses and cattle, they used to get SHOT for it. Nowadays you can almost kill someone and STILL be able to sue the person if they shot you wrong or at the wrong time. All backwards.

 

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

I don't consider defending your life immoral, and your property is part of your life.

If you disagree, tell everyone where you live so they may show up and acquire it.

The philosophy of liberty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWHmehAH28

If you do not have the right to defend your property, whose right is it?

By the way, I feel the same if it was someone trying to steal the property of someone supporting Obama, McCain, Ron Paul, whomever, or no one.

 

[dsentell]

I understand where the McCain supporter is coming from.

I still proudly have a Ron Paul for President sign in yard. Someone (the lady across the street says young black males) keeps tearing it down and throwing it in the ditch or on the road. Makes my husband so mad that people are trespassing and damaging our property, that he has threatened to keep watch with a shotgun in hand.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

i say they deserved the shot. you cant ever make me believe these 2 guys didnt know any better. i would have shot in the air first, but that doesnt mean that i "have" to fire a warning shot. mess with property that isnt yours and i think you just have to live with whatever comes your way for doing so...which is why i dont mess with property that isnt mine.

COMMON SENSE.


besides, this was a bullying tactic and the old man has probably learned in life how to persuade bullies to go away.

the 2 guys got lucky.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

I understand where the McCain supporter is coming from.

I still proudly have a Ron Paul for President sign in yard. Someone (the lady across the street says young black males) keeps tearing it down and throwing it in the ditch or on the road. Makes my husband so mad that people are trespassing and damaging our property, that he has threatened to keep watch with a shotgun in hand.

tell him to mix deer piss with pepper spray and put it all over the sign. they wont touch it again.
film it and let me see it for a laugh.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Sorry, but I would have shot the kids too. Get the hell off my property. Violators will be shot; survivors shot again.

I can imagine it now.

A bunch of kids walking on the sidewalk and dribbling a soccer ball, and they lost control. Ah shoot, it's on give.me.liberty's property! The kids walk on her luxurious property, and she pulls out her Remington 870 and boom! We got some delicious goulash.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, the hypocrisy of paleo-cons.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Normally I'd say this kind of attitude is excessive, but...

two young black guys coming out of an SUV? I'd be cursing myself for not owning a gun if I saw that outside my window

Becuz da niggaz are evil.

Aryan Nation!

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I can imagine it now.

A bunch of kids walking on the sidewalk and dribbling a soccer ball, and they lost control. Ah shoot, it's on give.me.liberty's property! The kids walk on her luxurious property, and she pulls out her Remington 870 and boom! We got some delicious goulash.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, the hypocrisy of paleo-cons.

At least you know not to dribble your soccer ball near my house.

 

[The_Orlonater]

At least you know not to dribble your soccer ball near my house.

Did you roll your eyes because you missed? I am a quick runner.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Did you roll your eyes because you missed? I am a quick runner.

I rolled my eyes because I never saw anyone dribbling a soccer ball.

 

[DAFTEK]

^ lol Someone call hands on that soccer ball....