Ted Cruz: Rand Paul Can't Win Because of Ron Paul

[Christian Liberty]

If you really support Rand you won't keep pushing this. If you make it a really bitter fight between the two, the supporters of the two candidates will do anything but support the candidate that pulls ahead and that WILL assure a Christy victory.

Don't worry, there's nothing you can do to get me to support Cruz. It ain't going to happen.

The only way I'd support Cruz is if either I was in a swing state that promised to be extremely close (Think Florida in 2000) and it was against someone awful, then I MIGHT think about it depending on who the LP and CP candidates were, or, alternatively, if Ted Cruz distanced himself from the hawks in his own party, or at least made it clear that he wasn't one of them, as Rand Paul mostly seems to have done (even if imperfectly.)

Neither of which has a single thing to do with what Rand supporters say about Cruz, or what Cruz supporters say about Rand. Heck, I don't even truly consider myself in the "Rand Camp." I'm pro-Rand, yes. But I don't agree with him across the board. And there are cases, such as with the Obamacare issue, where I think Team Cruz has some right to attack Rand, and I'm not going to get mad at them for justifiable criticism. (And of course, vice versa, the "Paul Camp" has even more they can get Teddy on. Foreign policy being the big one, if they have the guts.)

So Rand's position on marriage is "controversial" to Iowa Republicans simply because he thinks that marriage is a state issue? How do these people ever expect to win another general election for President if they want to nationalize every single social issue?

I honestly don't think this is really about gay marriage. Maybe for some of the rank and file, but for the leaders? No way. Everything about the GOP is anti-federalism (Note that I am not saying "anti-federalist", even though it would be easy to confuse the two) and anti-freedom, with a few exceptions. The marriage issue is really a symptom of the greater problem with wanting to consolidate Federal power.

Why would it even be a concern? A lot of the other possible Presidential contenders have said that it would be best to handle marriage at the state level, including Rubio.

Because Rubio doesn't have a halfway decent foreign policy. I tend to think its more about killing Muslims than it is about gay marriage, at least for the people pulling the strings.

I don't think Ron is as "poisonous" as these establishment politicians hope. In my experience, grassroots Republicans never really had a problem with Ron as a congressman--they just didn't want him for president.

Probably true. Although, from my experience, it seems like the Republicans in my family hate us (That would be Ron's supporters) more than they do Ron Paul himself. We frustrate them because we (At least, many of us) won't play the "lesser of two evils" game.

I should note that I believe my uncle represents your more or less "Average" GOP voter. Hell, I would make a bet that over half the GOP voters of past election already forgot who Ron Paul is. This tends to happen when you vote for "Not Obama".

Some of these people would probably vote for Hitler if he was against Obama, even if he weren't dead.

 

[klamath]

Don't worry, there's nothing you can do to get me to support Cruz. It ain't going to happen.

The only way I'd support Cruz is if either I was in a swing state that promised to be extremely close (Think Florida in 2000) and it was against someone awful, then I MIGHT think about it depending on who the LP and CP candidates were, or, alternatively, if Ted Cruz distanced himself from the hawks in his own party, or at least made it clear that he wasn't one of them, as Rand Paul mostly seems to have done (even if imperfectly.)

Neither of which has a single thing to do with what Rand supporters say about Cruz, or what Cruz supporters say about Rand. Heck, I don't even truly consider myself in the "Rand Camp." I'm pro-Rand, yes. But I don't agree with him across the board. And there are cases, such as with the Obamacare issue, where I think Team Cruz has some right to attack Rand, and I'm not going to get mad at them for justifiable criticism. (And of course, vice versa, the "Paul Camp" has even more they can get Teddy on. Foreign policy being the big one, if they have the guts.)


I honestly don't think this is really about gay marriage. Maybe for some of the rank and file, but for the leaders? No way. Everything about the GOP is anti-federalism (Note that I am not saying "anti-federalist", even though it would be easy to confuse the two) and anti-freedom, with a few exceptions. The marriage issue is really a symptom of the greater problem with wanting to consolidate Federal power.



Because Rubio doesn't have a halfway decent foreign policy. I tend to think its more about killing Muslims than it is about gay marriage, at least for the people pulling the strings.


Probably true. Although, from my experience, it seems like the Republicans in my family hate us (That would be Ron's supporters) more than they do Ron Paul himself. We frustrate them because we (At least, many of us) won't play the "lesser of two evils" game.



Some of these people would probably vote for Hitler if he was against Obama, even if he weren't dead.

You are a self proclaimed anarchist, I don't worry in the least about your electoral opinions.

 

[serenityrick]

This article (From the New York fucking Times) seems really really fishy.

Not one person was named from either side.. Sounds like the NYT trying to drum up resentment

"Paul's private circle"
"Cruz said privately"
etc etc...

Riiiight.