Teachers Deserve More

[romacox]

They are entrusted with the Nation' most valuable asset, and their job is much harder than people realize. They also get blamed for problems the Federal Government has created, and are forced to spend their personal funds to supply classrooms with basic things like toilet paper and hand soap because the bureaucracy has pilfered the funds intended for the schools.

Yes, they deserve more, but we can no longer afford the benefits they receive. To save their jobs, we are forced to ask them to join us in cutting the bureaucracy that hat has created the problems they are being blamed for...out of control unions, and the Department of education.

Teachers are not the enemy, nor is libertarianism the enemy of the teacher.

 

[April1775]

Horse poop.

Public school teachers indoctrinate statism. When I was a kid, it was right wing. Now it's left wing. It's all statism.
Public schools do not teach independent thought. They teach people to be good, compliant taxpayers. Or good soldiers.

They also don't do a good job. Last week I was reflecting on my school days, really thought it through. I'm a smart guy, went to a good school, and applied myself. The only thing school taught me was basic reading and math, the rest I taught myself, or my parents taught me. The basic reading and math I was taught could have easily been taught to me by my parents.

My wife and I don't have kids. But since we own a house, we pay property taxes to feed a leach system that does not benefit us in any way. If I refuse to pay, they will take my house...with a gun to my head if I resist. That is immoral.

Public schools suck. The whole system is immoral, and there is nothing in the Constitution, or in Natural Rights, to justify it.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Teachers do deserve more...






























































COMPETITION!!!

 

[angelatc]

Nobody "deserves" anything. Only 30% of American kids can perform at grade level, and yet we're supposed to pretend that "teachers" rank right up there with Mother Teresa?

 

[osan]

They are entrusted with the Nation' most valuable asset

And whose fault is that? Hi mom and dad!

and their job is much harder than people realize.

Teaching is not all that difficult in and of itself. The state framework of phony baloney requirements are the cause of perhaps as much as 95+% of the day to day difficulties.

...are forced to spend their personal funds to supply classrooms with basic things like toilet paper and hand soap because the bureaucracy has pilfered the funds intended for the schools.

Nonsense. The spend their funds voluntarily. Nobody is holding a gun to their head. Let us not exaggerate.

Teachers are not the enemy, nor is libertarianism the enemy of the teacher.

Who is saying they are?

 

[osan]

Nobody "deserves" anything. Only 30% of American kids can perform at grade level, and yet we're supposed to pretend that "teachers" rank right up there with Mother Teresa?

Generally speaking, this is really not the fault of the teachers, but of the law and the requirements and restrictions they place upon even the best pedagogue. There are some lousy teachers out there. That they still have jobs... well, thank your friendly union local for that. I have seen countless talented and dedicated teachers hampered and hamstrung by the administrations under which they must ply their craft. It is sickening to behold. The crap I had to deal with as a teacher in NYC you would not believe, and today I can confidently state that it is a full order of magnitude worse than it was then. Some of the things I used to do back in 84 would get me immediately fired today and possibly even jailed. It is pure lunacy, the lines they must toe. I will, however, grant you that many teachers suffer from the largely incurable disease of unionitis - entitlement mentality is pretty rife in those ranks.

The cure to all of this is to dismantle the public school system and force parents to become responsible for their issue. Parents are the ones most guilty in all of this because had they not tolerated all the social-liberal bunnies-n-light bullshit from these so called "experts" in education, we would still be educating our kids for something better than high score on net.games and learning to rap. Whoopdy friggin' doo... look ma, I be rappin'... jesus.

 

[April1775]

Aside from the basic fact that public schools are paid for by aggression, let's set that aside for a moment. (if that's possible.) Even if you think there should be public schools, the union system encourages mediocrity. Crappy teachers impossible to fire because of unions. Good teachers even hate this fact.

I would think unions would want to promote excellence. I think they've shot themselves in the foot by doing otherwise, and the bill is finally coming due.

 

[ItsTime]

How come we keep paying them more and spending record amount of money on education and we keep slipping in the standings?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.5337504e8f65acf16c57d5cac3cfe339.1c1

How much do teachers ranked 14th in reading, 17th for science, and 25th for math, out of 34, with a ranking of "average" deserve?

 

[Original_Intent]

I have met public school teachers that were outstanding. They deserve more and would get it in an open, competitive and untenured environment.

I have also met teachers that I would not trust alone with my kids for five minutes, and lack the knowledge to be able to carry on an intelligent conversation for ten minutes. The only person's education they should be focussing on is their own. They would not have a job in a open, competitive market. We need to kill government run education for the kids, to help the bad teachers move to another career that they actually have a proficiency for, and to encourage the best and brightest to teach.

 

[brandon]

I never understood this. Teachers seem to be grossly overpaid. They make way above the median household income in this country, they get 4-5 months of vacation per year, a killer pension, and almost complete job security after a few years.

And it's not a highly skilled job. I think most people could handle teaching kids to add or spell their name.

 

[Elwar]

Schools will soon be rooms with babysitters keeping an eye on kids as they learn their class work on the Internet.

6 kids to a room, one low paid worker keeping an eye on the kids in the same way that a babysitter would making $10 an hour. It could even all be done from home. No need for schools.

Software and lectures from teachers that are canned with Teacher assistants available to answer questions from hundreds of kids if needed.

I take my Masters level courses online, sitting on my laptop at home. I've never met any of my teachers except through chat sessions.

Modern schooling will go away. The sooner the better.

 

[brandon]

Schools will soon be rooms with babysitters keeping an eye on kids as they learn their class work on the Internet.

6 kids to a room, one low paid worker keeping an eye on the kids in the same way that a babysitter would making $10 an hour. It could even all be done from home. No need for schools.

Software and lectures from teachers that are canned with Teacher assistants available to answer questions from hundreds of kids if needed.

I take my Masters level courses online, sitting on my laptop at home. I've never met any of my teachers except through chat sessions.

Modern schooling will go away. The sooner the better.

I mostly agree with this. I prefer to learn independently too. It's actually really the only way I can learn. The only problem with this is you can't teach yourself how to work with others. You really need to practice social skills and working in a group to be successful working a career later in life. Studying on the internet doesn't teach this.

 

[April1775]

With the internet, really all schools need to teach is reading. We could start by getting rid of everything past sixth grade.

 

[sailingaway]

Everyone 'deserves more' in that sense. Their job is more rewarding, so people can get away with paying them less. Right now the taxpayer isn't at the negotiation table at all, but is paying, on the public school side. On the private school side, presumably the market functions.

 

[April1775]

Schools will soon be rooms with babysitters keeping an eye on kids as they learn their class work on the Internet.

6 kids to a room, one low paid worker keeping an eye on the kids in the same way that a babysitter would making $10 an hour. It could even all be done from home. No need for schools.

Software and lectures from teachers that are canned with Teacher assistants available to answer questions from hundreds of kids if needed.

I take my Masters level courses online, sitting on my laptop at home. I've never met any of my teachers except through chat sessions.

Modern schooling will go away. The sooner the better.

+1775.

 

[Southron]

I think back to the days of one room schools where teachers were paid little but they did it because they wanted to help children learn. And the students who attended generally wanted to learn.

Now they must teach to the tests and it's hard to say how much retention of knowledge is taking place.

Increasing the compensation and benefits is only going to lead to more people becoming teachers for financial reasons. Really, does every child need to have 13 years of school? I wish we could end mandatory schooling and I think many of our educational problems will end.

With less students in school, the quality of both teachers and students will increase.

 

[enoch150]

They also get blamed for problems the Federal Government has created, and are forced to spend their personal funds to supply classrooms with basic things like toilet paper and hand soap because the bureaucracy has pilfered the funds intended for the schools.

Soap and toilet paper are basic necessities for classrooms now? I'm glad I got out of school before the primary focus became teaching kids how to wipe themselves and wash their hands when finished.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Schools will soon be rooms with babysitters keeping an eye on kids as they learn their class work on the Internet.

6 kids to a room, one low paid worker keeping an eye on the kids in the same way that a babysitter would making $10 an hour. It could even all be done from home. No need for schools.

Software and lectures from teachers that are canned with Teacher assistants available to answer questions from hundreds of kids if needed.

I take my Masters level courses online, sitting on my laptop at home. I've never met any of my teachers except through chat sessions.

Modern schooling will go away. The sooner the better.

I agree.

The only reason I see modern state-schooling continuing is because it is harder to socialize children whithout compulsory integration. The government indoctrinators love to personally brainwash and indoctrinate in groups for the sake of socialization.

 

[mczerone]

Aside from the basic fact that public schools are paid for by aggression, let's set that aside for a moment. (if that's possible.) Even if you think there should be public schools, the union system encourages mediocrity. Crappy teachers impossible to fire because of unions. Good teachers even hate this fact.

I would think unions would want to promote excellence. I think they've shot themselves in the foot by doing otherwise, and the bill is finally coming due.

The economic incentives of unionization are antithetical to promoting anything other than mediocrity. When a majority vote is needed to certify a union, who do you think votes yes? It's not the top of the class who are already being compensated more than their cohorts, its not the bright newcomers who think that they still have a chance to improve their compensation through merit. No it's the median and below who feel "disadvantaged" and that they aren't getting "their fair share".

The whole problem with Unions is that they exist to make sure people DON'T get what they "deserve", but to ensure that the below-average are compensated more, and that the above-average minority doesn't get to negotiate on their own value.

I grew up seeing what happens to Unionized industries and towns dependent on the industry: the less-than-adept get cushy compensation and become a true societal class, while the non-unionized and the brightest union members are shunted to second-class status in both the local political landscape and in the local economy. Unions have a limited purpose, and can be effective in seeing that purpose carried out, but on the whole they will create havoc and tyranny, with a small cadre of union leaders and city managers seeing the rewards even as the wider society collapses around them.

 

[romacox]

How come we keep paying them more and spending record amount of money on education and we keep slipping in the standings?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.5337504e8f65acf16c57d5cac3cfe339.1c1

How much do teachers ranked 14th in reading, 17th for science, and 25th for math, out of 34, with a ranking of "average" deserve?

My friend, you aren't paying teachers...you are paying the government (and Unions) through your taxes. It is getting robbed before ever reaching the kids. Many schools have broken computers, no soap in the bathrooms, slop for food, ext.