Tea Party or God Party?

[nate895]

This is partly why I reject the "Americanized, God and country" sort of patriotism.

It is nothing more than a weak version of Christianity, with just enough truth to appeal to misguided people.

What I also reject, though, are claims that making any moral judgment is "forcing my beliefs" on you.

I have to say that one of the things that started the perceivable decline of Christianity amongst the masses in the Western society was the use of the church in WWI to support the disgusting human slaughter that was that unnecessary war. Did you know that church attendance started to significantly decrease only after the Chaplains on the frontlines condemned the Christmas Truce? The soldiers were primarily Christians, and did not want to be fighting each other when that truth dawned on them. Then the Chaplains took orders form their governments to put a stop to it. It really disenfranchised many in that generation for Christianity, so that while many in that generation remained Christians, thy were not as diligent in their own walks and did not pass Christianity down to the next generation in as great a way as generations past.

Every problem the Church has had over the years can be traced back to unfaithfulness within the Church itself.

 

[Bman]

I have to say that one of the things that started the perceivable decline of Christianity amongst the masses in the Western society was the use of the church in WWI to support the disgusting human slaughter that was that unnecessary war. Did you know that church attendance started to significantly decrease only after the Chaplains on the frontlines condemned the Christmas Truce? The soldiers were primarily Christians, and did not want to be fighting each other when that truth dawned on them. Then the Chaplains took orders form their governments to put a stop to it. It really disenfranchised many in that generation for Christianity, so that while many in that generation remained Christians, thy were not as diligent in their own walks and did not pass Christianity down to the next generation in as great a way as generations past.

Every problem the Church has had over the years can be traced back to unfaithfulness within the Church itself.

I saw a documentary on that. It's really a shame. all the soldiers were making peace but the war machine could not have it.

 

[fatjohn]

Their sole purpose is to glorify God. No creatures live on them.

As for why God wouldn't talk about it more in His word: Does it have absolutely anything to do with the history of redemption? No. The Bible is about the history of the reconciliation of man to God after the Fall, so I fail to see how this would have any bearing on the Bible's truth. God provided all that was necessary to study the Heavens in His word. That doesn't mean He told us all about them, just that the tools for finding out are there. Also, these passing mentions of all this marvelous thing called the universe (which was a passing mention even when it was written) goes to show God's omnipotence since all were created in an instant.

This is similar to the problem some atheists bring up about the universe just being too big. As if God would be limited to a small universe. Tell me: If God created a small universe, would you then indict Him for not making a large one? That would seem a bigger problem to me.

How do you know, maybe god didn't tell you about them because it does not fall in line with what the bible is supposed to be. Maybe you should let that one over to science.
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[libertybrewcity]

The Tea Party has been hijacked by the Christian right. Look at literally every tea party candidate from Rand to Lee to Buck to Angle to O'Donnell to many running in the house too. They are all social conservatives. The people have spoken.

I don't know how many times it will take for the GOP to wake up realize that social conservatism must die. It is not a winning strategy, at least on the federal level except for a few places.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The Tea Party has been hijacked by the Christian right. Look at literally every tea party candidate from Rand to Lee to Buck to Angle to O'Donnell to many running in the house too. They are all social conservatives. The people have spoken.

I don't know how many times it will take for the GOP to wake up realize that social conservatism must die. It is not a winning strategy, at least on the federal level except for a few places.

Social conservatism is fine as long as it is not enforced federally.

In fact, I would argue that the self-government that comes from faith is an essential aspect of Liberty. You can't have a drastically limited government without self-government.

 

[libertybrewcity]

Social conservatism is fine as long as it is not enforced federally.

In fact, I would argue that the self-government that comes from faith is an essential aspect of Liberty. You can't have a drastically limited government without self-government.

you can have drastically limited government without it being faith based. In fact, I would argue that religion controls the self like government controls the populace.

 

[Sola_Fide]

you can have drastically limited government without it being faith based. In fact, I would argue that religion controls the self like government controls the populace.

Hmm....

Could you expand on what you mean here?

 

[libertygrl]

How much should a return to God be emphasized in the tea-party movement? And should discussion of the Divine take a back seat to economic and government reform?

A panel of speakers at WND's "Taking America Back" conference in Miami, Fla., tackled the question head on.

"I don't think there's any way to separate economic freedom from our Judeo-Christian heritage," argued Tim Daughtry, who trains grassroots conservatives through Patriot Coaching. "It is a classic mistake to appease the left, to back down by sticking to economic issues.

SOURCE:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=205185

None. If you believe in the constitution which states that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, such as Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, I think that says it all. Other than maybe group members coming together to pray for the safe return of our troops or the well being of our country, GOD should be a private matter and not pushed into a debate over national issues.

Ron Paul has admitted he's a man of faith yet you never heard him touch on the subject while going around giving speeches. It was always about liberty, and the rights of the individual. This actually brought more diverse groups together for a common cause because like he always says - "freedom is popular." Those who wear their religion on their sleeves do it to score points with a certain segment of voters. Bush Jr. is a perfect example.

 

[speciallyblend]

you can have drastically limited government without it being faith based. In fact, I would argue that religion controls the self like government controls the populace.

i hear ya, i will give example for you the marijuana issue! Most Faith Based want smaller government until it is something they do not agree with! Hell they would have jesus arrested for wearing hemp and being annointed with oils that contained hemp. i find many religious folks want freedom for them and big government for everyone else! The big government lovers are usually faith based and right-wingers in the gop!! this is what i have found in my many yrs as an activist in the gop and outside the gop. The biggest fight in the gop is these folks!!

 

[speciallyblend]

None. If you believe in the constitution which states that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, such as Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, I think that says it all. Other than maybe group members coming together to pray for the safe return of our troops or the well being of our country, GOD should be a private matter and not pushed into a debate over national issues.

Ron Paul has admitted he's a man of faith yet you never heard him touch on the subject while going around giving speeches. It was always about liberty, and the rights of the individual. This actually brought more diverse groups together for a common cause because like he always says - "freedom is popular." Those who wear their religion on their sleeves do it to score points with a certain segment of voters. Bush Jr. is a perfect example.

Libertygrl 2010

 

[Sola_Fide]

i hear ya, i will give example for you the marijuana issue! Most Faith Based want smaller government until it is something they do not agree with! Hell they would have jesus arrested for wearing hemp and being annointed with oils that contained hemp. i find many religious folks want freedom for them and big government for everyone else! The big government lovers are usually faith based and right-wingers in the gop!! this is what i have found in my many yrs as an activist in the gop and outside the gop. The biggest fight in the gop is these folks!!

You all have got to stop saying "Christians are for big government". Its stupid and not anywhere close to being true. What if I said "all atheists are secular progressives who want collectivism"? It would be ridiculous because even though historically secularism has been tied to Communism and Socialism, I know there are some Objectivists out there who want real Libertarianism.


So stop lumping all of us Christians together. Ron Paul is a Christian. Historically Christians have argued for limited government and non-intervention in America. The Liberty movement has many grass roots homeschooler Christians who are real Constitutionalists (its not perfect but it is better than what we have now).