Taxation Constitutional Amendment

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

With regards to Public property, I added this:
"a) agreed upon by the majority of the people"

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Taxation Is Robbery

by Frank Chodorov
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[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Abolish the Corporate Income Tax
But ignore Pat Buchanan's advice on tariffs.
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[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

America’s Deep Political Crisis and Private Property


By Michael S. Rozeff on July 9, 2013
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/07/michael-s-rozeff/americas-deep-political-crisis/
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The crisis is unusual in being slow and pervasive, rather than being quick and limited in scope. This is occurring because the heart and soul of the crisis has been institutionalized and legalized.

That heart is the income tax, passed in 1913 by constitutional amendment (although the legal ratification has been disputed). Human wealth embodied in the human being is what generates income, in conjunction with non-human capital. One has property not only in objects but in one’s own person and body. The taxation of this by society, government or state is a taking of one’s property. It is a form of slavery, a degree of slavery, in which the state co-owns the person and body of those subject to the income tax. Regulations that determine how one may generate or use wealth amount to roundabout forms of taxes.

These taxes and regulations could only be enacted as laws under the notion that older ideas of individual property ownership, even in one’s person, were inadequate or unjust, and that they needed to be modified or replaced by the newer ideas of property being a social matter. It is extraordinarily ironic that after a bloody war that ended slavery, a short 48 years later, the country would end up with an income tax that enslaved everyone subject to it.

America seriously modified its property rights regime in 1913 without abandoning it. It now had two contradictory ways of thinking about property. In the 1930s, the social function or social necessity or social welfare way of thinking about property rose in importance. Government intervention into property, by way of both taxation and regulation, became an accepted feature of American politics.

But the contradiction remains. Is property private or not? The extension of government power and violence into a long list of “states” like the welfare state, warfare state, penal state, big pharma state, etc. is a manifestation of interventionism. Even though these interventions serve only private interest groups, they all are rationalized by the idea that the intervention policy is overcoming problems with private property by assuring that property’s social side is tended to. This basic idea, however, crowds out and destroys private property. Every state intervention that transfers wealth to military-industrial businesses, or to banks or to surveillance firms or to large farmers or to prison builders and prison operators, takes that wealth from those who own private property.

Both Left and Right adhere to the idea that property is social. Both support interventions, but each with its own favored recipients of the resulting confiscated wealth.

The long-running crisis in America cannot be ended without resolving the question of property rights. The crisis will continue and deepen as long as government interventionism continues. The latter depends on the theory that the government can legitimately and justly tax and regulate for the sake of society because all property, including all persons and their wealth, lie at the government’s disposal. This theory of property being social and the institutionalization of this theory are the causes of America’s silent and unrecognized crisis.

If a person does not own what he or she produces, then who does? If other people do, which is the social or collective answer, then we get constant crisis as an outcome. If everyone owns everything and everyone’s wealth collectively, then there will be continual conflicts about who gets what. The incentive to produce and preserve wealth will deteriorate. Income production and job opportunities will decline. Economic crisis results from a political determination that property is social, not individual.

The alternative is that each and every person has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, understanding that this comprises each person’s property rights in the wealth and income that he or she generates, recognizing that each person justly owns what he or she produces, not other people, not society, not the government and not the state.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

US: Records from 1905 show that middle-class families were amazingly prosperous and able to save half of their yearly earnings. [Read this article to see how they could do that. Hint: Taxes have something to do with it.] Free-Man's Perspective 2013 Jul 16 (Cached)


From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

WOW!


How to Fix Detroit in 6 Easy Steps


FREEMANSPERSPECTIVE · Jul 23rd, 2013

Abandoned automobile factory in Detroit.


The news is full of stories of Detroit, and understandably so. It’s an unmitigated disaster. But I know how to fix it.

Seriously, I do!

I have a plan that would cost the state of Michigan nothing – not a cent. It wouldn’t cost DC anything either, and it would turn Detroit into the most thriving city in North America. As a bonus, it would give the remaining property owners in Detroit a financial windfall.

Here’s the plan:

• The federal government (in writing) forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• The government of the state of Michigan forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• All municipal government agencies within Detroit are disbanded.
• All state and federal offices within the city of Detroit are disbanded.
• The federal government guarantees that entry and exit to/from Detroit will remain unchanged from the current conditions, and that no obligations will be placed upon residents of Detroit in any other place.
• Federal and state governments immediately cease all payments to residents of Detroit. (They may resume payment to those persons if and when they are no longer resident in Detroit.)

The final legal document would be more complex than this, but those are all the main points necessary.

What this plan does is to return Detroit to its natural state – to the way it was managed when the first settlers arrived. (In other words, not managed at all.)

And think of the money that will be saved by Michigan and the feds. Billions per year.

And Then…

And then we have a free for all… and a good one. Think of Hong Kong, but easy to get to.

Businesses would begin to relocate the next morning. Hundreds of them, thousands of them. The people who still owned and lived in their homes would be offered lots of money for their properties.

Libertarians and conservatives, disgusted by the gang in DC, would load up and drive to Detroit. Productive former residents would return. Thousands of opportunity-seekers, anarcho-capitalists, and pot-smoking hippies would be gathering their money and buying property.

Detroit would, within only a few years, become the coolest city on the planet – by FAR.

But, But…

“But there won’t be any police!”

“There won’t be any courts!”

“It will be non-stop murder, death, and mayhem!”

You wanna bet? Do ya? (And you don’t think Detroit has non-stop mayhem already?)

The people who come to Detroit would be coming to escape from their chains and to be productive. These are precisely the kinds of people who clean up a town. And with no taxes to pay for a hundred years, they’d have plenty of extra money to spend on whatever services (security or otherwise) that they wanted.

The Truth

The truth, of course, is that the state and fed guvs will never agree to a plan like this one, for a single reason:

Because they fear it would succeed.

They’ll let every last person in Detroit rot before they’ll let a group of producers live free of their chains.

Detroit returned to its natural state would expose the great lie of the government game – that we can’t survive without them.

Paul Rosenberg

FreemansPerspective.com

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Here’s the plan:

• The federal government (in writing) forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• The government of the state of Michigan forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• All municipal government agencies within Detroit are disbanded.
• All state and federal offices within the city of Detroit are disbanded.
• The federal government guarantees that entry and exit to/from Detroit will remain unchanged from the current conditions, and that no obligations will be placed upon residents of Detroit in any other place.
• Federal and state governments immediately cease all payments to residents of Detroit. (They may resume payment to those persons if and when they are no longer resident in Detroit.)

The final legal document would be more complex than this, but those are all the main points necessary.

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You could do this on a dry bit of the roughest country on earth, even inhospitable and costly to survive in mountain tops or desert areas with no surface or ground water, and it would become the richest place on earth.

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Amen! Would to GOD that the people would comprehend this simple and profound truth!

The reason for this to work is the Eternal Law of Justice that is being violated by public taxation and public regulation of PRIVATE property. Remove this injustice and you have prosperity springing out of the ground!

JUSTICE is an eternal law. No society can survive or prosper while violating it; and no society can help but prosper if they obey it!

 

[Christian Liberty]

I may have responded already, not sure, but "public" property shouldn't exist.

The only tax I'm in favor of is a tariff, which should be assessed at the moment of border crossing, and as a necessary evil.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

I may have responded already, not sure, but "public" property shouldn't exist.

The only tax I'm in favor of is a tariff, which should be assessed at the moment of border crossing, and as a necessary evil.

There is no such thing as a "necessary evil" on principle. It is an oxymoron. A contradiction in itself, and is therefore false. If it was "necessary" it would not be evil. And if it is evil, it is certainly not necessary, otherwise it would not be evil. So you are contradicting yourself in this statement.

But I agree with you that it is evil indeed, and is a violation of JUSTICE.

Public property is property to which all people have equal claim of ownership. Your assertion that it "shouldn't exist" is no more valid than the assertion that joint ownership of property shouldn't exist. If you tried to enforce this assertion, you would be committing aggressive violence, and injustice by definition.

The tariff tax would only be just if it was implemented as public property user fee, where custom or border were public property, and only if such user fee was approved by the majority of the users and was administered equally among them. Otherwise it would be unjust.

You see ownership and justice is the key here. You can only justly tax the things you own, and nothing else, or it would be unjust and would violate private property.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Abolish the Corporate Income Tax
But ignore Pat Buchanan's advice on tariffs.
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I don't agree with Pat on tariffs, BTW. I agree with tariffs to raise revenue, not to control trade.

There is no such thing as a "necessary evil" on principle. It is an oxymoron. A contradiction in itself, and is therefore false. If it was "necessary" it would not be evil. And if it is evil, it is certainly not necessary, otherwise it would not be evil. So you are contradicting yourself in this statement.

But I agree with you that it is evil indeed, and is a violation of JUSTICE.

Public property is property to which all people have equal claim of ownership. Your assertion that it "shouldn't exist" is no more valid than the assertion that joint ownership of property shouldn't exist. If you tried to enforce this assertion, you would be committing aggressive violence, and injustice by definition.

The tariff tax would only be just if it was implemented as public property user fee, where custom or border were public property, and only if such user fee was approved by the majority of the users and was administered equally among them. Otherwise it would be unjust.

You see ownership and justice is the key here. You can only justly tax the things you own, and nothing else, or it would be unjust and would violate private property.

Well, I do think the national border would/should be owned by the government. One of the few things they should actually own.

Private property can be owned by more than one person, but the only thing government should be allowed to own is the border itself, military bases (In the country, not outside the country), police stations, and courthouses.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

I don't agree with Pat on tariffs, BTW. I agree with tariffs to raise revenue, not to control trade.

Well, I do think the national border would/should be owned by the government. One of the few things they should actually own.

Private property can be owned by more than one person, but the only thing government should be allowed to own is the border itself, military bases (In the country, not outside the country), police stations, and courthouses.

Well, that in itself contradicts your previous statement that public property should not exist. If public representative government owns something, than, by definition it is PUBLIC PROPERTY. And as I said, public property has a right to exist, just as joint ownership of property has a right to exist.

You are not guided by a principle, but arbitrarily come up with things government should and should not own. That is a flawed approach. On what moral principle do you say that the government should own military bases?

I, on the other hand, can show you my guiding principle. That principle is JUSTICE. What is JUSTICE? Non-violation of private property. That is justice, and nothing else.

Public representative government can justly govern public property only, because the public, collectively, owns it, provided that a) majority agrees, and b) every one is treated equally, since all have equal claim of ownership in it. On the other hand, public representative government has exactly ZERO right to govern/control or tax private property, because it does not own it, and you can only justly govern/control or tax the things you OWN.

Therefore, the only way government could justly own a military base, or a court house, or a police station is if it was built on public land, was agreed to by majority of the people, and was financed by public property user fees administered equally among users, (and the users only): i.e. if you choose to use it, you pay for it, but if you do not wish to use it, you cannot be justly compelled to use it, otherwise it would violate your private property.

If that is the case than you are right.

The question of justice is the question of ownership of property. The question of proper role of government is the question of ownership of property. Ownership of property delineates justice, liberty, proper role of government, and everything else!

Private property is the most fundamental type of property and is the very key of liberty and justice. All other types of property are derived from Private property.

Case in point: public property. How is it derived from Private property? Everyone's equal share of ownership in public property is his/her private property. Your EQUAL right to travel on public road is your private property, and you cannot be justly dispossessed of that share of ownership, because, again, that equal share of ownership in public property is your Private property.

Thus, Private Property gives meaning to justice, rights, virtue, good, evil, and everything else. (Good is private property. Evil, is violation of private property.) Without private property all these concepts are entirely meaningless and do not exist.

Interestingly, the concept of property takes care of anti-nuisance laws as well. No one has the right to pollute or violate the property of another. You have no right to pollute private or public property of others. Therefore you have no right to violate the public or private property of others with noise, smells, or by projecting offensive images or sounds upon the property of others. As always, property laws give meaning and sense to everything!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

WOW!


How to Fix Detroit in 6 Easy Steps


FREEMANSPERSPECTIVE · Jul 23rd, 2013

Abandoned automobile factory in Detroit.
​

The news is full of stories of Detroit, and understandably so. It’s an unmitigated disaster. But I know how to fix it.

Seriously, I do!

I have a plan that would cost the state of Michigan nothing – not a cent. It wouldn’t cost DC anything either, and it would turn Detroit into the most thriving city in North America. As a bonus, it would give the remaining property owners in Detroit a financial windfall.

Here’s the plan:

• The federal government (in writing) forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• The government of the state of Michigan forbears taxes, regulations, laws, and impositions for a hundred years to the area of the current municipality of Detroit and to all persons and commercial entities resident there.
• All municipal government agencies within Detroit are disbanded.
• All state and federal offices within the city of Detroit are disbanded.
• The federal government guarantees that entry and exit to/from Detroit will remain unchanged from the current conditions, and that no obligations will be placed upon residents of Detroit in any other place.
• Federal and state governments immediately cease all payments to residents of Detroit. (They may resume payment to those persons if and when they are no longer resident in Detroit.)

The final legal document would be more complex than this, but those are all the main points necessary.

What this plan does is to return Detroit to its natural state – to the way it was managed when the first settlers arrived. (In other words, not managed at all.)

And think of the money that will be saved by Michigan and the feds. Billions per year.

And Then…

And then we have a free for all… and a good one. Think of Hong Kong, but easy to get to.

Businesses would begin to relocate the next morning. Hundreds of them, thousands of them. The people who still owned and lived in their homes would be offered lots of money for their properties.

Libertarians and conservatives, disgusted by the gang in DC, would load up and drive to Detroit. Productive former residents would return. Thousands of opportunity-seekers, anarcho-capitalists, and pot-smoking hippies would be gathering their money and buying property.

Detroit would, within only a few years, become the coolest city on the planet – by FAR.

But, But…

“But there won’t be any police!”

“There won’t be any courts!”

“It will be non-stop murder, death, and mayhem!”

You wanna bet? Do ya? (And you don’t think Detroit has non-stop mayhem already?)

The people who come to Detroit would be coming to escape from their chains and to be productive. These are precisely the kinds of people who clean up a town. And with no taxes to pay for a hundred years, they’d have plenty of extra money to spend on whatever services (security or otherwise) that they wanted.

The Truth

The truth, of course, is that the state and fed guvs will never agree to a plan like this one, for a single reason:

Because they fear it would succeed.

They’ll let every last person in Detroit rot before they’ll let a group of producers live free of their chains.

Detroit returned to its natural state would expose the great lie of the government game – that we can’t survive without them.

Paul Rosenberg

FreemansPerspective.com

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You could do this on a dry bit of the roughest country on earth, even inhospitable and costly to survive in mountain tops or desert areas with no surface or ground water, and it would become the richest place on earth.

Amen! Would to GOD that the people would comprehend this simple and profound truth!

The reason for this to work is the Eternal Law of Justice that is being violated by public taxation and public regulation of PRIVATE property. Remove this injustice and you have prosperity springing out of the ground!

JUSTICE is an eternal law. No society can survive or prosper while violating it; and no society can help but prosper if they obey it!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Modified second paragraph:

"Therefore, all forms of public taxation of private property, including but not limited to income, property, and sales taxes, are unjust, and therefore are expressly forbidden, and are hereby and henceforth abolished."

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Man Pays Tax Bill With Thousands of Single Dollar Bills in Protest

Infowars.com

September 6, 2013

Robert Fernandes, an IT manager and father of three, moved to Forks Township, Penn. last year seeking lower property taxes so he could afford a larger home which could also house his elderly parents.

[video=youtube;kPRGblJTPRE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kPRGblJTPRE[/video]

His wife home-schools their children, ages 7, 4, and 1.

He is not interested in being forced to pay $7,143 in taxes to fund public schools his children do not even attend.

“We don’t even use the public system, yet I am being forced to pay all this money into a public school system,” he told Leigh Valley Live. “I don’t think that’s really either fair or just or even ethical.

“It would be the equivalent if McDonald’s were to force vegetarians to pay for their cheeseburgers.”

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Larken Asks some Direct Questions
that will make you shiver (it did me).


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Anyone who votes for Public taxation of Private property is committing a crime (knowingly or unknowingly).

Outside The Cage - Larken Rose - Episode 3 (2/3)

Outside The Cage - Larken Rose - Episode 3 (3/3)

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Tax Day

by Murray N. Rothbard

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Mises.org
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This unsigned editorial, written by Murray N. Rothbard, appeared in the April 15, 1969, issue of The Libertarian (soon to become The Libertarian Forum).

April 15, that dread Income Tax day, is around again, and gives us a chance to ruminate on the nature of taxes and of the government itself.
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The first great lesson to learn about taxation is that taxation is simply robbery. No more and no less. For what is "robbery"? Robbery is the taking of a man’s property by the use of violence or the threat thereof, and therefore without the victim’s consent. And yet what else is taxation?
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Those who claim that taxation is, in some mystical sense, really "voluntary" should then have no qualms about getting rid of that vital feature of the law which says that failure to pay one’s taxes is criminal and subject to appropriate penalty. But does anyone seriously believe that if the payment of taxation were really made voluntary, say in the sense of contributing to the American Cancer Society, that any appreciable revenue would find itself into the coffers of government? Then why don’t we try it as an experiment for a few years, or a few decades, and find out?

But if taxation is robbery, then it follows as the night the day that those people who engage in, and live off, robbery are a gang of thieves. Hence the government is a group of thieves, and deserves, morally, aesthetically, and philosophically, to be treated exactly as a group of less socially respectable ruffians would be treated.

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This issue of The Libertarian is dedicated to that growing legion of Americans who are engaging in various forms of that one weapon, that one act of the public which our rulers fear the most: tax rebellion, the cutting off the funds by which the host public is sapped to maintain the parasitic ruling classes. Here is a burning issue which could appeal to everyone, young and old, poor and wealthy, "working class" and middle class, regardless of race, color, or creed. Here is an issue which everyone understands, only too well. Taxation.


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Murray N. Rothbard (1926–1995) was dean of the Austrian School, founder of modern libertarianism, and chief academic officer of the Mises Institute. He was also editor – with Lew Rockwell – of The Rothbard-Rockwell Report, and appointed Lew as his executor. See Murray's books.
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[pcosmar]

How to Fix Detroit in 6 Easy Steps

???
Why?
Leave it, Get the hell away from it and let it crumble to dust.. or let people live there as it is,, if they so chose.

This is how all government should be funded,

Anything more invites excess.

 

[Weston White]

But it is violence just the same.

However, no violence is actually involved in liens, levies, and garnishments; merely due process—that is presuming the taxing agency intends to play by “the rules”. Which sadly, is not the case when it comes to the IRS.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

However, no violence is actually involved in liens, levies, and garnishments; merely due process—

All liens, levies, and garnishments are ultimately backed by threats of LETHAL government violence, if you resist them enough. And threat of violence IS violence, in proportion to the ability of the one threatening it. So you are wrong. Liens, levies, and garnishments do not exist without violence. Violence is what they are MADE OF. So you are patently wrong.

Don't you see that? EVERY government law is a threat of lethal violence if you resist it enough. The fact that you call it "due process" makes it nor more just or moral than calling a mafia extortion racket "due process."

AGGRESSIVE VIOLENCE is the definition of EVIL, and is the definition of INJUSTICE.

that is presuming the taxing agency intends to play by “the rules”. Which sadly, is not the case when it comes to the IRS.

All public taxation of private property is theft, and is immoral and unjust.

Therefore, "playing by the rules" in this context is as meaningless as mafia "playing by the rules" when they ROB you. If the "rule" legitimizes ROBBERY, THEFT, RAPE, or MURDER, it is a WICKED rule, and is an anathema to JUSTICE.

You calling it a "rule" does not make it moral or just. Hitler's concentration camps had rules, which did not make them moral or just enterprises. Do you see this? Calling something a "rule" does not make it just. Only Correct Principles do.

The only RULE that matters is JUSTICE. All other rules, are no rules at all.

Therefore, by definition:

RAPE, is never "playing by the rules."
Theft, is never "playing by the rules."
Murder, is never "playing by the rules."
Public taxation of Private Property, is never "playing by the rules."
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Why? Because all these are UNJUST. That is the only rule that matters.


Please read the top post for detailed proof that ALL public taxation of private property is UNJUST and therefore immoral.

 

[Weston White]

While that may be true in some circumstances, in most however, such tact is done through a third-party, and ultimately leaves the person directly affected with zero say in the matter, that is upon rendition by the court.

Don’t forget that most of the tax code (IRC), as it pertains to individual taxpayers is purely civil in nature; ergo, there is zero violence and zero physical threat involved in civil law, you are referring to aspects of criminal law, which are strict and limiting. Remember, there are two-sides to every coin.

ETA:

Reasonable indirect taxation is by no means theft; while direct taxation is a mechanism to be implemented only during dire circumstances for acquisitioning a precise sum of revenue.

As well it should be realized without a proper system of taxation there would be no valid means of justice (to which you often reference) available to anybody—for nations would turn into one gigantic Google-Walmart-Monsanto-Xfinity-Apple-Chase-Xe Mafioso free-for-all.