Tax Whisper

[Drknows]

Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

I know its crazy huh? haha but if we can find more we could make MSNBC look like fools.

The black out is real. MSM wants you to forget and obey.

 

[RonPaulNYC]

I'm am not a conspiracy theory guy got at all.
I just found both whispers weird. Becuase his exact next word, was what was whispered.

I mean. It's prob an ear piece or something. I don't think aliens were mind controlling him .

It's sad and funny at the same time ..

 

[constitutional]

I agree, there was nothing suspicious. But the debate itself was lame, and all MSNBC debates are. No clapping, no attacking each other, no talk time limit enforcement. BOOOORING.

 

[Drknows]

Here we have a candidate that has a 30 year record of voting with the constitution, NEVER flipped flop, hes raised more than all the other republican candidates last quarter, hes beat two so called top tier candidates the Main stream media was pushing. Came in second in one state.

Yet they continue to ignore and ridicule him even when there is only 5 candidates left. The only coverage he gets is smear pieces.


The media deserves to be ridiculed. This isn't about Mitt.

 

[RoamZero]

If someone has audio expertise I dont think this would be a waste of time, because while one suspicious whisper can be blown off but can two? This is the type of thing that could potentially ruin both the credibility of Romney and MSNBC. Remember Dan-Rather-Gate?

 

[all J's in IL for RP]

They clearly don't want to admit their own complicity in the matter. If it's true Romney's handlers are speaking talking points in his ear, that means they have a special room set aside for the candidate with a real time feed provided by the network.

[sarcasm]And we all know how eager news organizations are in covering themselves, right?[/sarcasm]

 

[monkeymynd]

Hahahahhaha this is getting nuts, full blown crazy... I don't want to insult you guys, but I honestly feel this is a huge wild goose chase. You will hear lots of sounds by scouring over audio (the second romney 'whisper' sounds nothing like a whisper), that doesn't point to any sort of nefarius plot at all... Why are you guys so obsessed (I count over 10 threads :|) ?

Chadd Murray, All one needs to do is read your posts to see what your agenda is. You are constantly trying to steer people away from investigating the things they question. You are either a troll or something much more reprehensible.

See all of Chadd Murray's posts here

 

[amy31416]

Being skeptical and being gullible are the opposite, not the same.

Ahh, so argue semantics and don't admit you were wrong. You are quite apt at trying to change the direction of the discussion when you are not quite right.

Saying "what was that whisper all about? Let's investigate and find out" is much, much different than saying "Romney was being fed answers, look here's proof!" So, don't position yourself as being mildly quizzical, go back and read the thread, you are challenging my assertion that the easiest and simplest answer is also the likely correct one (Occam's Razor, in other words). I'm also curious who said it and why, but I can tell you what's stupid to think: that it was somebody telling Mitt Romney what to say throughout the debate (that nobody else standing mere feet from him happened to notice, including our own Dr. Ron Paul, by the way).

I never said I was mildly quizzical, I'm very quizzical and I want to know the truth. And you guys who were saying that it's Tim Russert being coached just don't make any sense, no more sense than the ones who are saying it came out of an earpiece. And you are not the authority on what is stupid to ponder and what isn't. The simplest answer is not what you were proposing. The simplest answer, in my opinion, is that someone who had a mike accidentally said it out loud hoping that Romney knew it. But I don't leave out the possibility that he was being coached either. He's a very rich and powerful man who has many resources. It would be foolish to think that a flip-flopping, guy who lies about daddy marching with MLK to pander (once again) is an honest guy who plays fair.

And just because it's fun, let's see how you first addressed my statement:

Why are you defending Romney against this and that "who let the dogs out" video?

Why did MSNBC post something about it then immediately get rid of it with no explanation?

Why did Romney edit it out from his YouTube video?

I still don't see the problem with asking those questions. I often look at the source the information is coming from. I asked why MSNBC was giving the appearance of hiding it, and I asked why Romney was giving the appearance of hiding it. All important factors in deciding what was going on with this issue. Not sure why that's fun for you, it took me asking the questions several times to actually get you to answer them.

I had to remind you I'm not "defending" anybody, I'm saying that this whisper is not part of a secret plan to give Mitt Romney answers in his debates. I don't think you learned that type of rhetoric in debate class either. We now understand why MSNBC deleted it, so I don't have to answer that question for you. And we agree that any youtube video that edits it out is pointless, and I further question if "Romney" edited anything from a youtube video, but if I had to answer, it would be because it flows better without, but it's clearly complete folly to say he would edit any video to suppress truth when there are a billion of the same clips right next to it unedited.

What kind of rhetoric are you talking about? I don't think I'm some glib master of language here. And you didn't have to remind me, you simply imply that I'm stupid for asking the questions. I understand what you said about MSNBC deleting it, I also read the official response on why it was deleted. Different explanation than yours I might add. Speculation is a good mental exercise, but you were quite off from their explanation.

And I daresay that your explanation as to why Romney edited it out is also very likely incorrect.

I will say I should not have been so hard on you specifically, my disdain is for the ones who are freaking out with their hair on fire because they're convinced they have found a new Bilderberger conspiracy. It makes the whole campaign look idiotic because........ it's idiotic. Being inquisitive and skeptical is good, seeing patterns and conspiracies where they simply do not exist is foolish.

Listen, I agree that the conspiracy stuff here makes us look really bad. I won't mention specifics, but I actually looked at the 'hot topics' section, because it's like a train wreck and I'm curious. The only concrete good I've ever done with some conspiracy theorists is I've actually demonstrated how it is used against us in reality and got one conspiracist to realize that he has to post that crap on another forum. I'll send you a link to the article on Wonkette to show you precisely how they can use this forum and the 'fringe supporters' against us. I know this doesn't make much sense without links, but I will give you details if you're interested.

I also know, quite certainly, that you will never, ever persuade anyone to 'pipe down and behave' by calling them stupid and blowing off what they believe, only by showing the effects of their actions. If they are a true supporter, they will understand this. If they don't understand it, well, they need help or they aren't really a supporter.

Having said all of this, how awesome if I'm completely wrong and there's a massive scandal tomorrow?

It'd certainly make things interesting.

Okay, this thread is far too long as it is and has all the attention it deserves. On to more productive things?

 

[Chadd Murray]

Chadd Murray, All one needs to do is read your posts to see what your agenda is. You are constantly trying to steer people away from investigating the things they question. You are either a troll or something much more reprehensible.

See all of Chadd Murray's posts here

Or maybe I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagree's with the conclusions people are making regarding events that are completely irrelevant to Ron Paul's platform? Maybe you're a little bit of a paranoid jerk for insinuating otherwise? I stand by my posting record and have even PM'd people when they seem particularly worried that I might not support Ron Paul in some way...

 

[monkeymynd]

Or maybe I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagree's with the conclusions people are making regarding events that are completely irrelevant to Ron Paul's platform? Maybe you're a little bit of a paranoid jerk for insinuating otherwise? I stand by my posting record and have even PM'd people when they seem particularly worried that I might not support Ron Paul in some way...

I could accept that explanation if there was one positive or even informative post from you supporting Ron Paul. 90% of your posts are challenging other people in this forum or negative comments about Ron's chances.

 

[Drknows]

no reason to fight each other.

i don't believe in any conspiracies really. i try to keep a open mind I mean if i didn't i think i would be your average fox news viewer but this one seems too obvious. The media has always been slanted and bias.

Is it really that far stretched to believe that they rig these debates? I mean if they want a desired outcome all they have to do is pick a guy toss some softaballs at him then ridicule who they don't like.

 

[Chadd Murray]

I could accept that explanation if there was one positive or even informative post from you supporting Ron Paul. 90% of your posts are challenging other people in this forum or negative comments about Ron's

a) Strongly support many of Ron Paul's stances
b) Strongly disagree with many of the pet theories espoused by various people on this forum, which I think is a huge positive. Even if I'm wrong all the time, at least I'm challenging these theories to see if they stand up to some scrutiny, if they do then there's things that need to be done, if they don't then they're a waste of time for supporters to dwell on.
c) As for 'informative' posts, I simply don't have any information... would you like a few more 'WOO RON PAUL' posts from me or something?

Is it really that far stretched to believe that they rig these debates? I mean if they want a desired outcome all they have to do is pick a guy toss some softaballs at him then ridicule who they don't like.

I think it's quite true that they 'rig' the debates, just not in the overt manner that many people on this forum are saying (I happen to subscribe more to something along the lines of socialist accademic Noam Chomsky's analysis of how media control works ) and I see no evidence that they are. The problems with these debates as far as I'm concerned are:

- They're boring and reptitive, and that
- 'Maverick' candidates like Ron Paul don't get as much time to air their views, which is important imo because he is a real opposition to what the others are saying.

 

[AlbemarleNC0003]

I wonder if we could get a new youtube:


whisper: "..love Reagan's cock..."

Romney: "The important thing here, Tim, is that I love Reagan's cock."

 

[josh24601]

Mitt is desperate to sent people like you here?

You sure are an astute one. Conspiracies or Mitt supporter, no middle ground eh?

 

[josh24601]

Okay, this thread is far too long as it is and has all the attention it deserves. On to more productive things?

Agreed.

 

[Chadd Murray]

Good show Josh! Don't let people beat you down for being honest and defending the truth as you see it, even if they're also supporting your candidate With someone like you down there, I'm sure we'll have a good run in Los Angeles!

 

[austinchick]

as far as we know CHUDD here could be a troll...

 

[Chadd Murray]

as far as we know CHUDD here could be a troll...

as far as we know you could be a troll.

 

[austinchick]

Mitt owns CLEARCHANNEL

 

[bingo23]

ok, we need some audiophiles to break this down. RP forum or McCain forum or whomever...this is BS.

Im no conspiracy guy but someone is definitely whispering to him influencing answers. Maybe its McCain, maybe it's Ron Paul, the moderator or Romney's mother but...it's there.